It is stated in the scriptures that without baptism, one cannot make heaven or the kingdom of God, but it seems that most of these new generation churches don't do baptism and just believe that when you repent that your safe, my question is,
CAN A PERSON MAKE HEAVEN WITHOUT BAPTISM?

Once a person accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and personal Saviour, they're born again, and are consequently candidates of Heaven.

Baptism doesn't add or diminish a Christian's entitlement to Heaven. Baptism is our physical demonstration of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, and how we have publicly decided to follow Him. It's advisable all Christians be baptised shaaaa

Remember the thief on the cross? He made heaven without having to undergo water baptism.

But new converts should undergo it. Shalom!

Every born again Christian must be baptized by water through immersion. But if somebody accept Jesus on his death bed without having opportunity to be baptized, he or she will make heaven.
Every child of God must be baptized as soon as he or she is born again.

dein77:
Once a person accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and personal Saviour, they're born again, and are consequently candidates of Heaven.

Baptism doesn't add or diminish a Christian's entitlement to Heaven. Baptism is our physical demonstration of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, and how we have publicly decided to follow Him. It's advisable all Christians be baptised shaaaa

Remember the thief on the cross? He made heaven without having to undergo water baptism. If

But new converts should undergo it. Shalom!

Are you trying to say that baptism is not necessary or that the scriptures at Mark16:16 or John 3:5 was wrong? Because Jesus himself went through baptism....
The thief on the cross made paradise not heaven

ProfessorPeter:
Every born again Christian must be baptized by water through immersion. But if somebody accept Jesus on his death bed without having opportunity to be baptized, he or she will make heaven.
Every child of God must be baptized as soon as he or she is born again.

Yeah your right.... If you didn't have an opportunity to baptize, you may make heaven but if you had the opportunity but decided no to baptise, you won't make heaven

briantext:

Yeah your right.... If you didn't have an opportunity to baptize, you may make heaven but if you had the opportunity but decided no to baptise, you won't make heaven

No genuinely repented sinner will refuse water baptism! They are the things that accompany salvation.

dein77:


No genuinely repented sinner will refuse water baptism! They are the things that accompany salvation.

But most of these new generation churches don't conduct baptism....
They just give you a certain pattern of prayer to pray and after will tell yiu that your safe and will make heaven(no baptism)

briantext:

Are you trying to say that baptism is not necessary or that the scriptures at Mark16:16 or John 3:5 was wrong? Because Jesus himself went through baptism....
The thief on the cross made paradise not heaven

...plz wats Paradise... Wats Heaven?

Venerable612:






...plz wats Paradise... Wats Heaven?

Please, ask am oo

Venerable612:






...plz wats Paradise... Wats Heaven?

From the Book of Mormon,
Alma 40:11 Now, concerning the state of the soul between death and the resurrection—Behold, it has been made known unto me by an angel, that the spirits of all men, as soon as they are departed from this mortal body, yea, the spirits of all men, whether they be good or evil, are taken home to that God who gave them life.
12 And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of those who are righteous are received into a state of happiness, which is called paradise, a state of rest, a state of peace, where they shall rest from all their troubles and from all care, and sorrow.
13 And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of the wicked, yea, who are evil—for behold, they have no part nor portion of the Spirit of the Lord; for behold, they chose evil works rather than good; therefore the spirit of the devil did enter into them, and take possession of their house—and these shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and this because of their own iniquity, being led captive by the will of the devil.
14 Now this is the state of the souls of the wicked, yea, in darkness, and a state of awful, fearful looking for the fiery indignation of the wrath of God upon them; thus they remain in this state, as well as the righteous in paradise, until the time of their resurrection.

dein77:


Please, ask am oo

Venerable612:

...plz wats Paradise... Wats Heaven?

when Jesus died for our sins, he went to paradise..... Which is a temporary rest play for the righteous...

On the other hand, after Jesus resurrection, He ascended to Heaven which is the permanent rest place of the righteous after resurrection and Judgement


Abeg Make we no derail my thread

briantext:

when Jesus died for our sins, he went to paradise..... Which is a temporary rest play for the righteous...

On the other hand, after Jesus resurrection, He ascended to Heaven which is the permanent rest place of the righteous after resurrection and Judgement


Abeg Make we no derail my thread

no one z derailin ur thread bro!

Its lyk u r confusin tinz! I tink Eph 2 m nt so sure precisely.. It says..."Jesus descended into the lower parts of d hearts... And on d third day.. He ascended into Heaven... He led captivity captive and gave gifts unto me"

that lower part to me does nt look lyk paradise.. Its more lyk an abyss.. Where he preached to the dead i supos.

Bro Paradise z d final destination of d righteous. More lyk d new Jerusalem. It may b interchangeable wit heaven!(i dnt kno cos am nt a theologian).

Biblical teachings are mor spirit..rada dan the Letters!

briantext:

when Jesus died for our sins, he went to paradise..... Which is a temporary rest play for the righteous...

On the other hand, after Jesus resurrection, He ascended to Heaven which is the permanent rest place of the righteous after resurrection and Judgement


Abeg Make we no derail my thread

no one z derailin ur thread bro!

Its lyk u r confusin tinz! I tink Eph 2 m nt so sure precisely.. It says..."Jesus descended into the lower parts of d hearts... And on d third day.. He ascended into Heaven... He led captivity captive and gave gifts unto me"

that lower part to me does nt look lyk paradise.. Its more lyk an abyss.. Where he preached to the dead i supos.

Bro Paradise z d final destination of d righteous. More lyk d new Jerusalem. It may b interchangeable wit heaven!(i dnt kno cos am nt a theologian).

Biblical teachings are mor spirit..rada dan the Letters!...

briantext:

From the Book of Mormon,
Alma 40:11 Now, concerning the state of the soul between death and the resurrection—Behold, it has been made known unto me by an angel, that the spirits of all men, as soon as they are departed from this mortal body, yea, the spirits of all men, whether they be good or evil, are taken home to that God who gave them life.
12 And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of those who are righteous are received into a state of happiness, which is called paradise, a state of rest, a state of peace, where they shall rest from all their troubles and from all care, and sorrow.
13 And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of the wicked, yea, who are evil—for behold, they have no part nor portion of the Spirit of the Lord; for behold, they chose evil works rather than good; therefore the spirit of the devil did enter into them, and take possession of their house—and these shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and this because of their own iniquity, being led captive by the will of the devil.
14 Now this is the state of the souls of the wicked, yea, in darkness, and a state of awful, fearful looking for the fiery indignation of the wrath of God upon them; thus they remain in this state, as well as the righteous in paradise, until the time of their resurrection.

bro... I dnt recall the Bible called the Book of Mormon... Nor any chapter of d Bible called Arman or whateva..


The Bible z d standard for Christianity.. And it is profitable to direct..instruct..reprove and for correction.

U jst comited d fallacy of appealin to an inadequate authority.

Venerable612:



no one z derailin ur thread bro!

Its lyk u r confusin tinz! I tink Eph 2 m nt so sure precisely.. It says..."Jesus descended into the lower parts of d hearts... And on d third day.. He ascended into Heaven... He led captivity captive and gave gifts unto me"

that lower part to me does nt look lyk paradise.. Its more lyk an abyss.. Where he preached to the dead i supos.

Bro Paradise z d final destination of d righteous. More lyk d new Jerusalem. It may b interchangeable wit heaven!(i dnt kno cos am nt a theologian).

Biblical teachings are mor spirit..rada dan the Letters!

[size=18pt]He descended, that's true. but why i said he also visited Paradise was because of the case of the theif on the cross that he said will meet him in Paradise that night.....
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★[size=18pt]I wanna make one thing clear, in an argument that two people are shouting at the top of their voices,nobody gains from it....... So lets not argue, i bring my point and you bring yours. ......we read each others points and take note of what we didn't know that is there...
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Without baptism no one will make heaven,and baptism to make heaven is only done by God himself who is now on earth.

jom28gy:
Without baptism no one will make heaven,and baptism to make heaven is only done by God himself who is now on earth.

Who is God on earth?

You can not enter the kingdom of God if not baptized,even Jesus was baptized so its that crucial.

queensley55:
You can not enter the kingdom of God if not baptized,even Jesus was baptized so its that crucial.

This isn't scriptural. Christ was actually baptised to fulfil all righteousness.

Every new convert should be encouraged to get baptised. But if it didn't happen till the convert dies, he's headed for Heaven.

Baptism isn't a criteria for entering God's Kingdom. It's just a Kingdom rite. Shalom

Never.

Let me check my bible first

ProfessorPeter:
Every born again Christian must be baptized by water through immersion. But if somebody accept Jesus on his death bed without having opportunity to be baptized, he or she will make heaven.
Every child of God must be baptized as soon as he or she is born again.

chief judge. no wonder atheist sees christianity as madness

okeke00:
chief judge. no wonder atheist sees christianity as madness

What are you insinuating

queensley55:
You can not enter the kingdom of God if not baptized,even Jesus was baptized so its that crucial.

And who told you this?

BTW, I hope you know that there are other types of baptism aside baptism by water immersion?

Have you heard of baptism of the holy spirit and baptism by affusion?

The cornerstone of the christian faith is complete FAITH in the salvific/redemptive work of Jesus Christ. See Ephes. 2v8-10.

maestroferddi:
And who told you this?

BTW, I hope you know that there are other types of baptism aside baptism by water immersion?

Have you heard of baptism of the holy spirit and baptism by affusion?

The cornerstone of the christian faith is complete FAITH in the salvific/redemptive work of Jesus Christ. See Ephes. 2v8-10.

Being saved does not mean entering Heaven......
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The baptism that leads to eternal life is made by God himself who is now on earth,if you seek him you will find him,because the tabernacle of God is living among men.

jom28gy:
The baptism that leads to eternal life is made by God himself who is now on earth,if you seek him you will find him,because the tabernacle of God is living among men.

Was the baptism done by John the Baptist not valid?

briantext:
It is stated in the scriptures that without baptism, one cannot make heaven or the kingdom of God, but it seems that most of these new generation churches don't do baptism and just believe that when you repent that your safe, my question is,
CAN A PERSON MAKE HEAVEN WITHOUT BAPTISM?

It is impossible!

To be Born of Water means being baptized into the New Covenant and Law, Jesus Christ, the new source of Living water for those who are born again. Water baptism, as explained by John the Baptist in Matthew 3 vs 7 - 11 & Luke 3 vs 2 - 18 & Mark 1 vs 1 - 8 symbolizes the transition from (complete abandonment) the Old Law of Moses in order to begin anew following God's New Law and Covenant in the Kingdom of God, God's New fountain of Living Water. John referred to it as the Baptism of repentance.

To be born of Spirit means to be born of the Spirit of Eternal Life, God's gift of Eternal Life which is granted to sinners who believe in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ in fact describes it as an actual possession of the individual by the Spirit in John 3 vs 8, and since the Spirit is Eternal Life itself, He remains with the individual 24/7 for eternity from that point on wielding power and control over the one He possesses (but not over their will).

The above are two essentials for anyone who wishes to partake in the Kingdom of God — Heaven or Hell.

dein77:
■ Once a person accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and personal Saviour, they're born again, and are consequently candidates of Heaven. Baptism doesn't add or diminish a Christian's entitlement to Heaven. Baptism is our physical demonstration of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, and how we have publicly decided to follow Him. It's advisable all Christians be baptised shaaaa Remember the thief on the cross? He made heaven without having to undergo water baptism.
But new converts should undergo it. Shalom!

What you have stated above stands in contradiction to the very Truth of God Himself, Jesus Christ, who instead said, everyone must be born-again.... except a man be born-again — born of water and born of Spirit — He cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

ProfessorPeter:
■ Every born again Christian must be baptized by water through immersion.
■ But if somebody accept Jesus on his death bed without having opportunity to be baptized, he or she will make heaven.
Every child of God must be baptized as soon as he or she is born again.

1. Jesus Christ never stipulated that immersion was necessary for baptism to occur, so let's be careful not to inject our own delusion between those lines of His.

2. A person on his deathbed has no reason to accept Jesus Christ please as we all enter into the Kingdom of God as sinners, and remain, sinners, until we work out our salvation through careful and continuous obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ. Something someone who is close to death will likely not have time to do. So if such a one dies a born-again sinner, guess where he/she will end up?

briantext:

But most of these new generation churches don't conduct baptism....
They just give you a certain pattern of prayer to pray and after will tell yiu that your safe and will make heaven(no baptism)

You sure?

Most churches pray that prayer to signify you have given your life to Christ.

Thereafter, you are taken through baptismal classes before actual water baptism is done.