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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by MiCasa: 2:44pm On Oct 27, 2014
JUO:
@MiCasa beware of that thing, don't say you were not warned. unless you have money to throw around. I i'm saying this out of experience

What thing are you referring to? If it is about the I-Panda (Zodore) I-P-MSC-96v/30A Charge Controller, could you be more explicit about your experience for the interest knowledge of this forum at large. Information is liberating as it educates the mind and is the engine that moves this forum. To know is to have the power to enhance and advance.


richmon74:

Hi Unionised and DUNKA
We don't discus prices on this thread because of some reasons.
One reason is that this thread is actually a DIY forum and not a market place. We only post our work here to inspire and encourage people in renewable energy. Also we share some of our experiences as part of our humanitarian services to help ppl who want to install solar by themselves to learn.

As for inspiration, you and the selfless GeorgeD1 among others have left miles, rivers and cleared fields of it and have created a bunch of wannabes through your contributions to this forum. Thanks and expect me on what's App.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 1:22am On Oct 30, 2014
HURRY HURRY HURRY !!!!!!

* JOY solar panels... Polycrystalline specs are (80w, 90w, 100w, 120w, 130w, 160w, 250w, 270w, 280w. Monocrystalline specs are 80w, 90w, 130w, 280w, 290w

* PERLIGHT solar panels... 80w, 100w, 120w, 140w, 200w, 230w »(USA STANDARDS)

* Phocos Charge Contollers: 10a, 20a, 45a & 80a MPPT

* LED LAMP 12v 36w @ 20k

* BLUEGATE 1kva 12v pure sinewave power inverter.....@25k

* USA TROJAN T105-RE Premium Line Flooded Lead Acid Battery 6V (225AH)20hr Rate ..... @ 34k

* USA TROJAN J185P-AC Signature Line Flooded Lead-Acid Battery 12V (205AH) 20hr Rate .... @ 52k

* USA TROJAN L16 Premium Line Flooded Lead-Acid Battery 6V (410AH) 20hr Rate .... @ 66k

* MECURY deep cycle agm batteries 12v 200a "Korea"..... @ 45k

* Bluegate 3.5kva 24v Pure sinewave lcd inverter (inbuilt 70ahm intelligent max charger for large battery bank) #charges with Gen unlike Cyberpower,, easy installation unlike cyberpower,,powers heavier appliances"inductive/resistive/motors/rectifier loads" with the help of 40 inbuilt powerful mosfets driving out o/p capacity of 2500w and max surge protect of 7500w under 0.7 power factor

Safepower pure sinewave Inverter 1.5KVA (MADE IN INDIA) @ 35k

All our products come with 1 year Warranty.
For Supplies within Lagos & Waybills outside Lagos State,

CALL "Sir Frankie" NOW FOR SUPPLIES 08135031951
E-MAIL....... frankie_feller@yahoo.com
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by chris81964(m): 4:27pm On Nov 03, 2014
MiCasa:
Mr. Newbie here. I have read so much from this forum that I consider it my solar-reference-library, albeit I learned a lot especially from the likes of George_D, Richmon74 and others, there are some that I am still confused about. Without wanting to clog the progressive wheel of this forum too much, I need help with a little dilemma that is bugging me.

I have had (almost a year now) Su-Kam 5kva/96v pure sine wave inverter with charging current of 10A to a Saturn battery bank of eight (cool 12v200ah connected in series.

While I always wanted hybrid renewable energy with solar array the cost of PV has kept me at bay. Solarpanelstore.com has SolarWorld Sunmodule 275w at $279 (N46,872) plus shipping and that has gotten me seriously thinking to add solar panels to my system.

My concern/confusion are as follows:

1. Are there other sources of lower priced quality solar panels? I will defer to others
Lower quality is not always better. They last a long time get something good

2. How many of the 275w panels (if that’s the best I can get) do I need for my 19,200ah battery bank?
The number of panels you get is

3. How many panels do I connect in a string of series or parallel?
Your connection has to yield 96 V plus 30%

4. Considering that the inverter is 96v, what size, type of Mppt Charge Controller do I need to complement my system?
I will get a minimum of 60 AMPS.

Much appreciated.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by JUO(m): 7:23am On Nov 07, 2014
dry season is here please gurus wake the thread!

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by tivta(m): 8:48am On Nov 07, 2014
JUO:
dry season is here please gurus wake the thread!
. Dry season? Its still rains everyweek in lagos. I doubt if there is anything like dry season anymore.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by JUO(m): 5:28pm On Nov 07, 2014
Dry season? Its still rains everyweek in lagos. I doubt if there is anything like dry season anymore.
your case will not be as bad as mine. at least you see little sun sometimes, in my area there is no sun. rain falls every day from morning to night. if you think am lying ask my oga GeorgeD1
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by richmon74(m): 12:27am On Nov 08, 2014
For those who wants to venture into renewable energy but budget is an issue, here is a good news for you.
I had introduced a particular inverter sometimes ago before nairaland went down. Unfortunately I can't go back to the whole details.
It is a Hybrid Inverter/Charger/Solar Charge Controller system.
It comes at a price that is almost equivalent to one charge controller only thereby cutting down a more than half of your original budget if you were planing to buy an inverter/charger and a separate charge controller.

It is the simplest system to install especially for the DIY guys. All you need is to connect you solar panels and your batteries to the hybrid inverter and you are done.

Over time now we've tested and have installed them in various locations for various applications ranging from domestic to office to hotels and can say categorically well that they are dependable and we can now recommend them to you.

The come in these specs:

5kVA 48V 60A MPPT Solar Charge Controller
3kVA 24V 60A MPPT Solar Charge Controller
5kVA 48V 50A PWM Solar Charge Controller
3kVA 24V 50A PWM Solar Charge Controller
1kVA 12V 50A PWM Solar Charge Controller

I'll share some of the installations we've carried out using them.
For more details go to our Facebook page 'PBASE Solar'

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by richmon74(m): 12:31am On Nov 08, 2014
you can even stack (connect more than one in parallel) for higher power as shown in one of the pictures below

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by richmon74(m): 12:34am On Nov 08, 2014
another

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by richmon74(m): 2:26am On Nov 08, 2014
Here is a piece of advice to people who install their system without necessary protections and also overloading your system, make sure you have a fire service station near your installation location. The pictures below is that of a 4kW prag inverter that was constantly and consistently overloaded.

The system was powering 1 old model 1.5HP Window unit AC, 2 500W halogen lamps, 2 Deep freezers, 1 Refrigerator and the other normal house loads.

The pictures explains enough what happened to it.

Now the question is, was this system overloaded? I will quickly answer NO. The inverter was simply running t between 85% to 100% of it's rated capacity.
So why did the inverter burn out? Because this inverter allows battery to run down to 10v before it switches off and at that voltage the current in the system is ridiculously high since power is constant (P=IV) and the high current there produces more heat than what the system could handle and prolonging it melted the wire and the rest of the story follows. I will explain in details the difference between the current in the system when your battery is low and when it is fully charged in my upcoming blog soon.

So what could've been done to avoid this situation?
Various answers

1. Standard Breaker Sizing: Circuit breakers would be a nice solution but there is a problem. The problem is that output cct breakers are always rated to allow loads like compressors to start at higher power than the inverter rated power and as such in this kind of situation they won't be of any help since the system load was under the inverter rated power.
2. Breaker Undersizing: If you under size breaker to protect your inverter the danger is equipment that uses electric motors and compressors like your refrigerators would not be able to start.

N/B: I have to mention here that fuse and circuit breakers are comes in to operating modes; the fast operating and the slow operating modes. The slow operating types which are the commonest and the cheapest types available tolerates slow rising current beyond it's rating up to a certain degree before is it trips while the fast action types (like the Midnite Solar MNDC) trips at any slight increase in current beyond it rating. So the choice of which one to use depends on application.

So now what is the best thing that they could have done to prevent the menace? It's simple, give safety room (up to 30%) when sizing your inverter vs load especially when using this average level inverters. The Premium inverters are designed to take care of this kind of situations without any headache.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by richmon74(m): 2:46am On Nov 08, 2014
My previous post was not supposed to mean that there is any thing wrong with the PRAG inverter. I have installed a hand full of them in different locations and for different applications without issues.

See the pictures below

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by richmon74(m): 2:46am On Nov 08, 2014
more PRAG

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by JUO(m): 6:04am On Nov 08, 2014
My oga i think the installer used a wrong wire. the wires are too tiny i think...
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by richmon74(m): 10:14am On Nov 08, 2014
JUO:
My oga i think the installer used a wrong wire. the wires are too tiny i think...

It was the inverter itself that got burnt not any external component
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Unionised(m): 8:34pm On Nov 08, 2014
Hello Guys,

I just got a 20kv UPS for next to nothing.

Would you advise i use this at home instead of an inverter?

My energy needs can't be above 2.5kva (and thats if I decide to power my deep freezer, hot plate, pressing iron and washing machine).

A UPS or an Inverter? The Pros and Cons.

And how many hours on full charge can a 20kva UPS carry a load of 2,000 watts?

Advice, anyone?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by JUO(m): 6:43am On Nov 09, 2014
The inverter was simply running t between 85% to 100% of it's rated capacity.
remember, conversion efficiency on 12v with heavy load will not be the same with 48v. 85% load on a 12v system will stress the component (make them very hot) especially the transformer, therefore this is overload.

It was the inverter itself that got burnt not any external component
at 11v you don't expect the inverter to produce 4kw
2 500W halogen lamps
why would somebody power halogen bulb with inverter? where there are 50w led bulb that is brighter that 1000w halogen bulb

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kiekie1(m): 9:34am On Nov 09, 2014
kiekie1:
HURRY HURRY HURRY !!!!!!

* JOY solar panels... Polycrystalline specs are (80w, 90w, 100w, 120w, 130w, 160w, 250w, 270w, 280w. Monocrystalline specs are 80w, 90w, 130w, 280w, 290w

* PERLIGHT solar panels... 80w, 100w, 120w, 140w, 200w, 230w »(USA STANDARDS)

* Phocos Charge Contollers: 10a, 20a, 45a & 80a MPPT

* LED LAMP 12v 36w @ 20k

* MUST POWER 3000watts 24v pure sinewave power inverter "Inbuilt equalization & desulphation mode/ Inbuilt 50a Peak Charging Current" .... @ 90k

* BLUEGATE 1kva 12v pure sinewave power inverter.....@23k

* USA TROJAN T105-RE Premium Line Flooded Lead Acid Battery 6V (225AH)20hr Rate ..... @ 34k

* USA TROJAN J185P-AC Signature Line Flooded Lead-Acid Battery 12V (205AH) 20hr Rate .... @ 52k

* USA TROJAN L16 Premium Line Flooded Lead-Acid Battery 6V (410AH) 20hr Rate .... @ 66k

* MECURY deep cycle agm batteries 12v 200a "Korea"..... @ 45k

* Bluegate 3.5kva 24v Pure sinewave lcd inverter (inbuilt 70ahm intelligent max charger for large battery bank) #charges with Gen unlike Cyberpower,, easy installation unlike cyberpower,,powers heavier appliances"inductive/resistive/motors/rectifier loads" with the help of 40 inbuilt powerful mosfets driving out o/p capacity of 2500w and max surge protect of 7500w under 0.7 power factor

Safepower pure sinewave Inverter 1.5KVA (MADE IN INDIA) @ 35k

All our products come with 1 year Warranty.
For Supplies within Lagos & Waybills outside Lagos State,

CALL "Sir Frankie" NOW FOR SUPPLIES 08135031951
E-MAIL....... frankie_feller@yahoo.com

Thank God for the successful completion of my exam for now... Am fully available for my reputable clients now, THANKS !
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by schneid: 2:04pm On Nov 09, 2014
Hello Prof richmon74,

Is this system an off-grid system? If it is, then for a hybrid system, how many panel will you recommend since power from the utility will compensate for charging too(at night).

Good work you are doing here! I ll love to visit you soon.

More grease!


richmon74:
I stopped by a client's house at Unity road, Lekki today to check the performance of his system and I was impressed by the harvest. This client lives off grid as they are yet to complete transformer installation in that area. The only appliance he is not using are the A/Cs. Every other appliance including Fridge, freezer, washing machine and watter pump runs on the solar system.

The system configuration is:
3060W (12x 255W) Solarworld Solar panels
8x L16 Trojan Flooded batteries
4kw PRAG Inverter.

The 3060w solarworld panels was able to output 3458W as you can see in the picture below which is higher than the rated output of the solar panels. The log also confirmed that this system delivers up to 16kwh of energy daily.

These go a long way to confirm that solarworld solar panels efficiency is second to none. Also remember that the installation must be done professionally also in order to get this efficiency.

Stop littering your roofs with junks in the name of solar panels and also get a profesional installation.

Contact us for discounted prices on:

* Solarworld solar panels
* Trojan Deep cycle Lead-Acid Batteries
* Magnum Inverters
* Xantrex Inverters
* Outback Inverters
* Prag Inverters
* Outback Charge controllers
* Midnite Solar Accessories
* etc.

You can get more details about us on our facebook page PBASE Solar.

http://www.facebook.com/pbasesolar

For those who always call to say they are anti-facebook you can reach us on

Phone/whatsapp: 08023033135
email: contact@pbasesolar.com
BBM PIN: 7950AD1E

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by richmon74(m): 10:54pm On Nov 09, 2014
schneid:
Hello Prof richmon74,

Is this system an off-grid system? If it is, then for a hybrid system, how many panel will you recommend since power from the utility will compensate for charging too(at night).

Good work you are doing here! I ll love to visit you soon.

More grease!



Hi Oga schneid

The system was originally designed to be a hybrid system but there is no power from the grid in that area as there is no transformer yet. As such they are living off-grid unconditionally and not actually by choice.

With the size of batteries they are using right now and their existing load, if they were to be truely off-grid they would have needed minimum of 18 of the 255W Solarworld Solar panels. The 12 they are using now was for hybrid but it has been able to generate up to 17.4kWH of energy daily as at my last site inspection. Also the system was able to pull 3654W from the 12x 255W Solarworld panels which is about 120% of the solar panel rating. i.e.12x 255w which is 3060w. Pictures below.

So you can start with any number of panels you can afford (even if you want to start with 2 pieces as Oga George always says) and upgrade later at your convenient. But make sure it is Solarworld Sunmodule if you want to enjoy your money.

Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by schneid: 6:25am On Nov 10, 2014
Thanks !
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Unionised(m): 11:55am On Nov 10, 2014
Unionised:
Hello Guys,

I just got a 20kv UPS for next to nothing.

Would you advise i use this at home instead of an inverter?

My energy needs can't be above 2.5kva (and thats if I decide to power my deep freezer, hot plate, pressing iron and washing machine).

A UPS or an Inverter? The Pros and Cons.

And how many hours on full charge can a 20kva UPS carry a load of 2,000 watts?

Advice, anyone?
anyone?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by richmon74(m): 1:53pm On Nov 10, 2014
Unionised:
Hello Guys,

I just got a 20kv UPS for next to nothing.

Would you advise i use this at home instead of an inverter?

My energy needs can't be above 2.5kva (and thats if I decide to power my deep freezer, hot plate, pressing iron and washing machine).

A UPS or an Inverter? The Pros and Cons.

And how many hours on full charge can a 20kva UPS carry a load of 2,000 watts?

Advice, anyone?

One off the reasons you have not received attention on this post is that you have not given the complete details of the required specifications. Another reason is that this kind of question is all over Internet so a little Google search would have given you an idea of what you need.


Well, without going into too much details on the technical differences between UPS and INVERTER/Charger design, I'll attempt a response to your post.

An inverter is what you basically need at home though.

UPSs are designed to do basic back up for few minutes to few hours and are not designed to function as a source of power.
- They are not designed for extended run duration on battery like inverters. Most come with inbuilt battery and you cant extend the bank without damaging the charging unit by putting too much demand on it.
- They are not designed to start higher capacity loads (like electric motors, compressors, etc) beyond their rated power as in the case of inverters.
- Their charging current is always very low which is a very serious disadvantage.
- They have very poor efficiency and as such drains battery very fast even if there is no load.
- Lastly, the input voltage range of a UPS is very narrow compared to that of inverters. So if you have a low voltage the ups will switch will inverters will tolerate to a certain extent.

That's how much I can remember for now.

As such a 4kw inverter/charger will power all your above listed appliances more effectively with fewer batteries than the 20kva UPS.

The back up duration is a function of battery WH which you did not provide and not a function of the UPS power rating.

Hope this helps you

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Unionised(m): 2:44pm On Nov 10, 2014
richmon74:


One off the reasons you have not received attention on this post is that you have not given the complete details of the required specifications. Another reason is that this kind of question is all over Internet so a little Google search would have given you an idea of what you need.


Well, without going into too much details on the technical differences between UPS and INVERTER/Charger design, I'll attempt a response to your post.

An inverter is what you basically need at home though.

UPSs are designed to do basic back up for few minutes to few hours and are not designed to function as a source of power.
- They are not designed for extended run duration on battery like inverters. Most come with inbuilt battery and you cant extend the bank without damaging the charging unit by putting too much demand on it.
- They are not designed to start higher capacity loads (like electric motors, compressors, etc) beyond their rated power as in the case of inverters.
- Their charging current is always very low which is a very serious disadvantage.
- They have very poor efficiency and as such drains battery very fast even if there is no load.
- Lastly, the input voltage range of a UPS is very narrow compared to that of inverters. So if you have a low voltage the ups will switch will inverters will tolerate to a certain extent.

That's how much I can remember for now.

As such a 4kw inverter/charger will power all your above listed appliances more effectively with fewer batteries than the 20kva UPS.

The back up duration is a function of battery WH which you did not provide and not a function of the UPS power rating.

Hope this helps you

Thanks.
Guess I'll sell off the UPS.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by abunafiu(m): 5:39pm On Nov 16, 2014
Thank God for His blessings. My solar panels have been producing average of 4500wh daily. Not enough though for my 21600WH trojans. but as soon as money smiles at me..ill add more panels.
9 pcs of 120w joy solar.
3.5kva sukham..48v
16 pcs of trojans T105re batts.
60 amps mppt tristar.

I cant imagine life without my solar generator especially with this heat wave . my fan and frige always working.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DUNKA(m): 5:15am On Nov 17, 2014
abunafiu:
Thank God for His blessings. My solar panels have been producing average of 4500wh daily. Not enough though for my 21600WH trojans. but as soon as money smiles at me..ill add more panels.
9 pcs of 120w joy solar.
3.5kva sukham..48v
16 pcs of trojans T105re batts.
60 amps mppt tristar.

I cant imagine life without my solar generator especially with this heat wave . my fan and frige always working.
Please how are these particular specs of your Trojan batts performing? Have u had any issues/problems?
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by abunafiu(m): 8:23am On Nov 17, 2014
DUNKA:
Please how are these particular specs of your Trojan batts performing? Have u had any issues/problems?
They are 6v 225ah. been using them since june. Never had a reason to add water. I rearly drain below 50% soc.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by DUNKA(m): 10:31am On Nov 17, 2014
abunafiu:

They are 6v 225ah. been using them since june. Never had a reason to add water. I rearly drain below 50% soc.
thanks a million
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by olak3: 8:19pm On Nov 17, 2014
please i will need the help of the house. i want to buy 300w solar panel and 1 of 200ah 12v battery ,1.5kva inverter and 20A mppt solar charger. can i use this at home with lighting, 2fans, 32'' led TV & small fridge once in a while
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by saleskara: 10:23pm On Nov 18, 2014
you may also get the stab at http://www.kara.com.ng/prag-servo-stabilizer-pc-svc20kva-single-phase/
GeorgeD1:
pdozie,
i'm gald to know you were eventually able to repair your inverter. truly as akanniade suspected
earlier it came down to phcn power fluctuation.

personally i'm going to step up efforts and get the prag 10kva servo before i fall into the same
problem.

meanwhile you can purchase from buyright directly at 45k:

http://www.buyright.biz/index.php?module=product&event=viewdetail&pid=64
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by JUO(m): 11:10am On Nov 23, 2014
I can't believe dust was responsible for my solar panel low output. Behold after I used water to wash the surface, the performance improved by 30%. Please go and wash the surface of your solar panels

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