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Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Nobody: 12:16pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Looks like the OP has already abandoned his thread or he is on a queue to donate his 10% to Yahweh the Jewish deity. |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Kay17: 12:23pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Emmalot121: Now which is it? Is God known or Unknown, because He cannot be both. Emmalot121: Nobody said we came from Nothing, nobody said the Universe is from Nothing. These were red herring positions you fathomed us make. We (especially from myself) don't have the contention that the Universe came from Nothing. What I concern myself with is the very important question of 'why there is something rather than nothing.' That is a genuine and enduring question which even religions struggle to solve. We all could easily not exist, and there should be a reason why or a reason why there must be a reason. shachris03: Yes, the Big Bang is said to be a result of some phenomenon. But at the point prior to the beginning of our Universe, we have to question everything we know and our empirical parameters. All our assumptions and understanding of causality (cause - effect relationship) has been under scrutiny in quantum physics, our understanding of time, of space almost absolutely lose meaning. Whether the Big Bang is an effect is also in question. But for simple minded folks like Emmalot121, our basic assumptions are irrefutable. He does not know causality is an assumption we make and he can't afford to shake it out of his mind hence he creates the human - God! 1 Like |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Nobody: 12:24pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
ifeness: So you want me to now believe otherwise just because you say so? What makes you better than the Church? Can you prove absolutely that there is not God (Almighty)? |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Emmalot121(m): 12:26pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
ifeness:The same way people won't skeptical about your existence 2000 years ago, even if you saved a whole nation. The fact is that the science then was not as developed as what we have now, but the case of Jesus couldn't have been fabricated because every tom d+ick and harry witnessed him. Is it possible to lie to a whole nation that Jesus lived amongst them. Think my brother, think. |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Nobody: 12:31pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Kay17: if cause and effect is an assumption we made, then there exist a possibility, somehow, of another level of evaluation that we know nothing of yet. One thing i am certain of tho is that they universe did not come from nothing. If there was something before nothing, then that something must be God. |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Emmalot121(m): 12:33pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Kay17:Where in my post did I say that nothing is known about God. As I said, it is either life came from nothing or something. For life to come out of nothing, it means nothing itself is something. For nothing to be nothing it has to be dormant. You are just twisting the same questions, all your questions have already being answered. |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Emmalot121(m): 12:38pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
ifeness:Which church does your wife attend? ![]() |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Kay17: 12:43pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Emmalot121: Emmalot121: |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Kay17: 12:45pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
shachris03: Aren't we are all somethings?! I dont know why in your vocabulary, God is interchangeable with Something |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Nobody: 12:47pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Kay17: Stop acting naive. I mean the first something....the origin of all somethings. |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Nobody: 12:49pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Kay17: Because God is a something, therefore God exists. |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Kay17: 12:50pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
shachris03: Something remains Something, there is no distinction from Somethings |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Kay17: 12:52pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
shachris03: This is how bad your conclusion is: I am a something, therefore I exist. An alternate universe is something therefore it exists. |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Emmalot121(m): 12:57pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
#ifeness 'won't be skeptical' |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Nobody: 12:59pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Kay17: Something is not specific, how come they are the same?
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Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Emmalot121(m): 1:01pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Kay17:Like I said, we can through the bible have an idea about God; therefore his true nature can't be known. |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Nobody: 1:02pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Kay17: An alternate universe might not exist because it is not proven yet....so it can't be something. But common sense tells us that for us to have anything, there must have being something. That particular something that everything emanated from, is God. |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Emmalot121(m): 1:06pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Kay17 'And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me and live.' Exodus 33:20 |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Kay17: 1:32pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Emmalot121: Sigh |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Kay17: 1:35pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
shachris03: I was merely following your faulty logic. My point is Something is Everything. |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Nobody: 1:39pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Kay17: there you go again. Something can be anything but not everything. |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by cold(m): 1:51pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Emmalot121:Lol..just seeing this. You give me too much credit. Seriously though, this kind of argument is tiring and leaves me mentally spent. All i say now is your god exists right? Fine,go fetch him let me have a one on one with him. I'm tired of debating with his minions and footsoldiers. I want to speak to the man in charge. Surely,if such an all powerful,almighty creator exists this simple request of mine shouldn't be to hard to fulfil. So far no theist has been successful in this quest. Until then your god is only a figment of your imagination. Fit only for a storybook written by primitive goat herding,slave owning men & meant for kids and the gullible. 3 Likes
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Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Nobody: 2:03pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Emmalot121: My wife is like me...she is a free born. |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Nobody: 2:04pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Emmalot121: And that we have a detailed account of where he was buried right? |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Nobody: 2:10pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
cold: You err greatly. You are seeing God as a HE. What if God is not a HE? |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by malakh7: 2:31pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
shachris03: *sigh* God Of The Gaps fallacy. |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Nobody: 2:47pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
malakh7: Mala, i am not gapping here. All i am saying that, if there ever was an original something that existed before anything, that something must be God, because it is from it that all other thing came about. I am not saying that God made the original matter. |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by malakh7: 2:53pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
shachris03: same irritating fallacy. Maybe you should look it up. |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by plaetton: 3:14pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Emmalot121: How convenient. The god that you know so much, pray to and sing to. The god that has a son, loves Israel more than Africa. The god that demands payment and threatens to barbeque humanity who reject him IS NOW A MYSTERY ![]() So religion is now the worship of mystery. Right? A mystery that you are so sure exists, right? Well then, can we all now agree that MYSTERY CREATED THE UNIVERSE? 4 Likes |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by plaetton: 3:16pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
malvisguy212:If that makes sense to you, then good luck. |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by Emmalot121(m): 3:51pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
cold:For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were they thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools! Romans 1 vs 20-22 #ifeness #kay17 #plaetton |
Re: Absolute Proof Of God's Existence by cold(m): 3:52pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
shachris03:There is no god. End of! |
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