Emmalot121:
It would have been so, were not for the bible that gave us the hint about him. Even with this, there are still much to know and I can't delve into explaining the unknown.

Emmalot121:
@kay17 @ifeness If we came from nothing, then we all should be traceable to nothing. But it isn't, cos we are all traceable to something, the atom. So also can live not be traced to nothing, but something, God.

shachris03:

Like he said, for there is nothing like something from nothing. Big Bang tells us that the universe originated from some elements, how did does elements come about? Something must have brought about those elements, don't you think?
Think of God as the origin....like God just popped out and everything as we know them started pumping out from God....before God, there was nothing (as we know nothing to be)....

ifeness:


Because the Church said that doesn't mean there is one.

ifeness:


Just say you do not know! I do not believe Jesus existed either. My question remains unanswered.

Kay17:


Now which is it? Is God known or Unknown, because He cannot be both.



Nobody said we came from Nothing, nobody said the Universe is from Nothing. These were red herring positions you fathomed us make. We (especially from myself) don't have the contention that the Universe came from Nothing. What I concern myself with is the very important question of 'why there is something rather than nothing.' That is a genuine and enduring question which even religions struggle to solve. We all could easily not exist, and there should be a reason why or a reason why there must be a reason.



Yes, the Big Bang is said to be a result of some phenomenon. But at the point prior to the beginning of our Universe, we have to question everything we know and our empirical parameters. All our assumptions and understanding of causality (cause - effect relationship) has been under scrutiny in quantum physics, our understanding of time, of space almost absolutely lose meaning. Whether the Big Bang is an effect is also in question.

But for simple minded folks like Emmalot121, our basic assumptions are irrefutable. He does not know causality is an assumption we make and he can't afford to shake it out of his mind hence he creates the human - God!

Kay17:


Now which is it? Is God known or Unknown, because He cannot be both.



Nobody said we came from Nothing, nobody said the Universe is from Nothing. These were red herring positions you fathomed us make. We (especially from myself) don't have the contention that the Universe came from Nothing. What I concern myself with is the very important question of 'why there is something rather than nothing.' That is a genuine and enduring question which even religions struggle to solve. We all could easily not exist, and there should be a reason why or a reason why there must be a reason.



Yes, the Big Bang is said to be a result of some phenomenon. But at the point prior to the beginning of our Universe, we have to question everything we know and our empirical parameters. All our assumptions and understanding of causality (cause - effect relationship) has been under scrutiny in quantum physics, our understanding of time, of space almost absolutely lose meaning. Whether the Big Bang is an effect is also in question.

But for simple minded folks like Emmalot121, our basic assumptions are irrefutable. He does not know causality is an assumption we make and he can't afford to shake it out of his mind hence he creates the human - God!

ifeness:
Looks like the OP has already abandoned his thread or he is on a queue to donate his 10% to Yahweh the Jewish deity.

Emmalot121:
Where in my post did I say that nothing is known about God. As I said, it is either life came from nothing or something. For life to come out of nothing, it means nothing itself is something. For nothing to be nothing it has to be dormant. You are just twisting the same questions, all your questions have already being answered.

Emmalot121:
Everything. Like I said the true nature of God can't be known. I am expecting counter questions from my proof, not asking me to tell you all about God.

shachris03:


if cause and effect is an assumption we made, then there exist a possibility, somehow, of another level of evaluation that we know nothing of yet. One thing i am certain of tho is that they universe did not come from nothing. If there was something before nothing, then that something must be God.

Kay17:


Aren't we are all somethings?!

Kay17:


Aren't we are all somethings?! I dont know why in your vocabulary, God is interchangeable with Something

shachris03:


Stop acting naive. I mean the first something....the origin of all somethings.

shachris03:


Because God is a something, therefore God exists.

Kay17:


Something remains Something, there is no distinction from Somethings

From google dictionary.

Something is a thing that is unspecified .

"we stopped for something to eat"

Kay17:

Kay17:


This is how bad your conclusion is:

I am a something, therefore I exist.

An alternate universe is something therefore it exists.

Emmalot121:
Kay17 'And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me and live.' Exodus 33:20

shachris03:


An alternate universe might not exist because it is not proven yet....so it can't be something. But common sense tells us that for us to have anything, there must have being something. That particular something that everything emanated from, is God.

Kay17:


I was merely following your faulty logic.

My point is Something is Everything.

Emmalot121:
Where is cold and xcapist

Emmalot121:
Which church does your wife attend?

Emmalot121:
The same way people won't skeptical about your existence 2000 years ago, even if you saved a whole nation. The fact is that the science then was not as developed as what we have now, but the case of Jesus couldn't have been fabricated because every tom d+ick and harry witnessed him. Is it possible to lie to a whole nation that Jesus lived amongst them. Think my brother, think.

cold:

Lol..just seeing this. You give me too much credit. Seriously though, this kind of argument is tiring and leaves me mentally spent. All i say now is your god exists right? Fine,go fetch him let me have a one on one with him. I'm tired of debating with his minions and footsoldiers. I want to speak to the man in charge. Surely,if such an all powerful,almighty creator exists this simple request of mine shouldn't be to hard to fulfil. So far no theist has been successful in this quest. Until then your god is only a figment of your imagination. Fit only for a storybook written by primitive goat herding,slave owning men & meant for kids and the gullible.

shachris03:


if cause and effect is an assumption we made, then there exist a possibility, somehow, of another level of evaluation that we know nothing of yet. One thing i am certain of tho is that they universe did not come from nothing. If there was something before nothing, then that something must be God.

malakh7:


*sigh*

God Of The Gaps fallacy.

shachris03:


Mala, i am not gapping here. All i am saying that, if there ever was an original something that existed before anything, that something must be God, because it is from it that all other thing came about. I am not saying that God made the original matter.

Emmalot121:
Did you read my argument at all? Life could have emanated from something or nothing, both can't exist at same time, so one started the universe, and I proved its something which I enumerated his characteristics. If God has a creator, then his creator becomes God. God is a mystery which your little head can't comprehend.

malvisguy212:
the bible indicate that God is acting before time begin.

cold:

Lol..just seeing this. You give me too much credit. Seriously though, this kind of argument is tiring and leaves me mentally spent. All i say now is your god exists right? Fine,go fetch him let me have a one on one with him. I'm tired of debating with his minions and footsoldiers. I want to speak to the man in charge. Surely,if such an all powerful,almighty creator exists this simple request of mine shouldn't be to hard to fulfil. So far no theist has been successful in this quest. Until then your god is only a figment of your imagination. Fit only for a storybook written by primitive goat herding,slave owning men & meant for kids and the gullible.

shachris03:


You err greatly. You are seeing God as a HE. What if God is not a HE?