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Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by plaetton: 8:19pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
sinequanon: No matter how much I try to understand what you are saying , it never sinks in. You make no sense. Drop all the grammar and sophistry. Reserve it for your Sunday school children. Say something that we can actually hold on to. Or, are you deliberately trying to be slippery? 2 Likes |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by davien(m): 8:28pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
sinequanon:You again equivocate the arbitrary meaning of laws.... A scientific law is; " A scientific law is a statement based on repeated experimental observations that describes some aspects of the universe. A scientific law always applies under the same conditions, and implies that there is a causal relationship involving its elements." en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_law It is a specific set of conditions that allow a law to hold.... gravity doesn't hold without mass... Your method is to form a faulty dichotomy and project it to your opponent... I.e Either this is A or it is Z... And you keep straying off your original claim "science assumes laws"... with redefinitions and non sequitors... 1 Like |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by plaetton: 8:32pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
Science assumes this , science assumes that. The scientific method, the scientific system for observing, testing and analyzing reality has proven itself to be far superior to anything before it. The current level of human advancement is a testimony to that. Science addresses its questions, its enquiries to the Natural world, until such a time where there is evidence suggestive of a reality other than the natural world, in which case also, only empirical science can find that link between our natural world and other non mechanistic worlds. Anyone who thinks science is inadequate to find answers about existence in the natural world, should propose an alternative system. Not religion, because we have been there and we have done that. 1 Like |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by sinequanon: 8:34pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
davien: You see, you are the one playing with words. I am saying that, to avoid any ambiguity, we can simply replace the words with their long description. So, do you or do you not agree that.. Science ASSUMES that ALL events ALWAYS have a "natural" cause. (You are the one trying to stray by making words a stumbling block.) |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by davien(m): 8:52pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
sinequanon:I can only say science concerns itself with things that can be investigated...and/or detected.. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by sinequanon: 8:57pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
davien: So now that you can no longer play with words, you are back to avoiding the question. Do you or do you not agree that.. Science ASSUMES that ALL events ALWAYS have a "natural" cause. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by davien(m): 9:19pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
sinequanon:Your question is a structured one and as such the only thing I can say to be accurate is what i've just said... science concerns itself with the things that are/can be detected and/or investigated... If anything has a natural origin....science can detect such...because it is what it concerns itself with... Anyone offering "magical" and/or "supernatural" claims would have to justify their method of detection and its reliability with evidence... 1 Like |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by sinequanon: 9:31pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
davien: So you can't answer the question: Do you or do you not agree that.. Science ASSUMES that ALL events ALWAYS have a "natural" cause. OK next... Explain what makes a claim supernatural. I don't want a list of examples and arm waving. I want a description of what makes a claim supernatural. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by davien(m): 9:51pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
sinequanon:I would not answer the initial question with a yes/no response because it offers a presupposition.... A claim is supernatural if it offers no method of verification apart from faith or make-believe... inwhich the conclusion has been made beforehand with "evidences" structured to it A supernatural claim could also defy logic e.g A five sided square... A supernatural claim can offer to fill the gaps of ignorance with an answer not given for accuracy.... 2 Likes |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by Kay17: 9:53pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
sinequanon: What does this have to do with "ten ways atheism is a religion?!" 2 Likes |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by plaetton: 10:05pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
davien: That is the simplest way to put it. How can anyone deny and feign ignorance of the great strides humans have made at all levels through the scientific system Science is a question that keeps on asking. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by sinequanon: 10:06pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
davien: You are prevaricating. In a debate you simply state clearly what you think the presupposition is instead of avoiding the question. Do you or do you not agree that.. Science ASSUMES that ALL events ALWAYS have a "natural" cause. If your answer is "I don't agree because it presupposes X" then say so, instead of prevaricating. davien: Please explain what you mean by "evidences" structured to it, and how you distinguish between evidence that you would accept. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by plaetton: 10:17pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
sinequanon: Science starts out with questions, not assumptions. Science makes assumptions based on questions for which the scientific system have already answered. Before we made this assumption that E=MC2, we first understood what E was and it's properties. We also understood M and C and their properties. From there we tied it all together to make this assumption of E = MC2. No one made the assumption first before trying to make it fit. Since science is not dogma, if we discover a hidden variable that affects or nullifies this assumption, we easily plug it in. That is the way science works. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by sinequanon: 10:30pm On Nov 23, 2014 |
^ davien, is that your answer, LOL. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by davien(m): 12:29am On Nov 24, 2014 |
sinequanon:It has a presupposition that science assumes answers that have absolute certainty in what should be the case on all events.... And evidences being structured to meet "supernatural" claims would be in the form of "since the moon has crators,that means..." Anything I would accept are things based on verified evidence and a method of error-margin...or atleast be justified by enough evidence and not statements like "flower exists, that means a flower maker exists" 1 Like |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by davien(m): 12:31am On Nov 24, 2014 |
sinequanon:so plaetton is suddenly davien? |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by italo: 8:53am On Nov 24, 2014 |
plaetton: Oh! We cannot deny them. Neither can anyone deny the destrution (backward strides) that have been wrought by humans through the scientific system. Just saying. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by italo: 9:16am On Nov 24, 2014 |
plaetton: So science is fallible. It is possible then, that even "E" was misunderstood...and its purported meaning was only assumed? Yet many put their faith in We all live by faith afterall. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by italo: 9:25am On Nov 24, 2014 |
plaetton: 1. This is only a weak attempt to dodge sinequanon's question. 2. The bold is not a scientific law...so it is a private fallacy of yours. You can go force it down the throat of your congregation who will have blind faith in you, not us. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by sinequanon: 10:47am On Nov 24, 2014 |
davien: Another illogical question. I asked you if plaettons answer is the answer you would have given. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by davien(m): 10:54am On Nov 24, 2014 |
sinequanon:I've already given a reply. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by sinequanon: 11:02am On Nov 24, 2014 |
davien: Here is the QUESTION for the 4th or 5th time: Do you or do you not agree that science ASSUMES that ALL events ALWAYS have a "natural" cause? It is clearly asking you IF you agree with something, not presupposing it. Since you are stuck and reluctant to answer the question, as was plaetton, there is no point continuing. The only useful thing you have to say is that you are disingenuous, and you have effectively shouted it from the rooftops. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by davien(m): 11:06am On Nov 24, 2014 |
sinequanon:And I will keep on telling you....your question is structured and my answer to that will always be science can only observe that which can be detected... I know it is not an answer you are satisfied with....it is an answer that is accurate nonetheless... The least I could say is....if the cause is detectable....science could find it... |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by sinequanon: 11:12am On Nov 24, 2014 |
plaetton: There is nothing difficult in what I am saying. It is your level of intellect that is the problem. You certainly have no business talking about E=mc^2, as you did in your other post (which was very naive, btw) I said earlier, it is your level of intellect that is holding you back. There is no way to bring the level of the discussion down to your level. Scientists and philosophers don't use words for the fun of it. They use words for precision. I suggest you take a few years out to find a Sunday school and improve your comprehension, if you are struggling. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by sinequanon: 11:18am On Nov 24, 2014 |
davien: So, you accept that SOME causes MAY NOT be detectable. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by italo: 11:18am On Nov 24, 2014 |
sinequanon: They are not willing to confront your question honestly...because that is the only way they can continue to hold on to their inconsistencies. That's why they continue to use every method possible to deviate from your question. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by italo: 11:24am On Nov 24, 2014 |
sinequanon: There is a remote chance that he plays dumb to avoid the glaring points in a superior argument to his. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by sinequanon: 11:34am On Nov 24, 2014 |
italo: I have noticed his appeal to ignorance. His inability to understand the question or inability to face the question are both signs of lack of intellect. His own explanation is the former. |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by sinequanon: 11:37am On Nov 24, 2014 |
davien: So you are open to the possibility that a cause may be undetectable. Are you going to go round in circles avoiding this question, too? Let me see, you can't answer it because it is "structured"...LOL!! |
Re: 10 Ways Atheism Qualify As A Religion by Kay17: 9:47pm On Nov 24, 2014 |
sinequanon: Assumptions are necessary in order to create a starting point. . Assumptions build premises before conclusions can be erected. Science creates a natural cause because such cause is readily perceptible. For such purposes the assumptions are valid. In contrast with Faith, it depends on how far the faithful is willing to stretch his faith. 1 Like |
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