vooks:
You are blessed my brother. Schizophrenia is not your portion

Neither is it yours nor does it remove your salvation if you have any symptoms of it.Now back to topic.

My brother it is insensitive to insult other with mental illnesses and prescribe drugs for the same. You are trying to impress with your pharmacy knowledge. That's pride at work.
Next, you never did nothing for God to spare you from schizophrenia. So desist from mocking others with this.
And finally, it is unChristian to wish me schizophrenia

Bidam:
Neither is it yours nor does it remove your salvation if you have any symptoms of it.Now back to topic.

Gombs & Co,
Does The Midas Touch have anything to say on the issue below:

Marchman:
From Al Akhigbe from the forum, Where is Rev Anita Oyakhilome on FB

ALWAYS MONEY MATTERS

''Esteemed Group Pastor,

Warm greetings in the matchless name of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.Amen.
Congratulations on the just concluded International Pastors and Partners Conference.IPPC.
I have been directed by our highly esteemed Zonal Director, Pastor ----------- to remind you of your Financial commitment to offer 7, the birthday of our dear Man of God, Pastor Chris Oyakhilome, Phd.
The minimum target for each Group is ten million Naira only (N10,000,000.00) .

Kindly note that the money is expected on or before 2nd December as you are aware that the birthday is on the 7th of December.
Thank you for your outstanding commitment to the vision of our ministry.
Signed-----''

Now, the above letter just hit my email box. And I thought I should share a thought or two for the benefit of those who don't know why we are doing what we are doing.

Now, in this zone, there are twelve groups plus the zonal church. The twelve groups will give a total sum of N120,000,000.00 and the zonal church will give N100,000,000.00 making a total of N220,000,000.00 (equivalent of approximately USD $1.3 million dollars). Let us assume every zone in Nigeria alone gives $1 million dollars each, about $30 million dollars will accrue to one man. Ghana will give big, SA will not lag behind et cetera. Tell me why the man will not play God? This is aside the personal effects that will be sold on that day for tens of millions of dollars. Why should such a man admit to wrongdoing or take correction from a mere mortal? It can only take God to bring him to his kneels.
Ironically, those being fleeced of these monies are suffering and shouting hallelujah while our apostles live in flagrant luxury. Some businesses have grounded, homes broken, people pauperized because of these ungodly extortions. Giving is a Godly principle that works for Christian, pagans, Muslims, Buddhists, anyone and anywhere. But these manipulated exploitation of God's people is certainly not of God.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, how many times did Jesus celebrate his birthday? Okay, birthday was not in vogue then. We knew some people WILLINGLY ministered to Him of their substances. But how many times did Jesus call for donations or give his disciples targets to meet to enable Him run His ministry? Oh, I forgot, Jesus was too divine for such. Then, can someone show me which of the apostles or disciples that did it? All the doctrines of giving that is enforced in this ministry are borrowed from the old testament. When it concerns money, old testament is applied. But when it concerns righteousness, you are reminded that old testament have been abolished. That is why every iniquity they commit are explained away in the concept of sin.

As I explained in my book Acts Of Our Apostles, one of the major reasons most African nations are poor is the rate at which our churches mop up money from circulation. The already poor people are dispossessed of their meagre incomes to the tune of billions of dollars every year, not to be invested in any beneficial project for them, but to provide luxury and thin god status for the pastors. Offer 7, Offer 1,2,3 to 31 are all avenues for filthy lucre. Any endeavour that has no benefits to mankind is futile.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=355387424640529&id=265251816987424

Yet your insensitive mind didn't tell you also that you shouldn't insult others by calling them kids and infantile stupidity just because they do not agree with you on certain christian doctrines abi? You can start by desisting from mocking those who tithe, then we will be even.SMH!

vooks:
My brother it is insensitive to insult other with mental illnesses and prescribe drugs for the same. You are trying to impress with your pharmacy knowledge. That's pride at work.
Next, you never did nothing for God to spare you from schizophrenia. So desist from mocking others with this.
And finally, it is unChristian to wish me schizophrenia

You don't have to comment on any thread. How do you butt into vooks & kenyangirl28 and tell us this is naija forum and we are tribalists?
Next you run into me and Gombs and you crack everyone up by telling them that Reductio ad Absurdum is not in the Bible......

If a particular post is not directed to you, you have no business parading your ignorance for all and sundry by responding to it. And if you really MUST, take time and COMPREHEND the subject. If you don't understand, please watch from the sidelines. You would learn a lot from reading others posting than when mindlessly attacking anything moving

I have not at any time mocked those who tithe. I have laid out my case for not tithing and I have responded to tithing arguments. AM that structured. We have observed pro-tithers using all manner of arguments to support what they do. The latest is we do whatever Abraham did to Melchizedek. Melchizedek never collected first fruits or at least that is not recorded yet people(CE) offer them and fear diseases for failure to offer the same. Surely we can't derrive doctrines from what was offered to Melchizedek. It is absurd to suggest otherwise

Bidam:
Yet your insensitive mind didn't tell you also that you shouldn't insult others by calling them kids and infantile stupidity just because they do not agree with you on certain christian doctrines abi? You can start by desisting from mocking those who tithe, then we will be even.SMH!

vooks:
Numbers and Miracles mean NOTHING for these reasons;
1. False religions can also boast of numbers and signs

2. MAJORITY of those turning to Christ are not drawn by the miraculous. I was not drawn by the miraculous

3. If numbers and signs vindicate a minister of the true gospel, then the converse is true; small numbers and NO signs are marks of a false gospel.

4. Signs and wonders do not necessarily turn people to Christ. Read Matthew 11:20-24

5. Paul was wearied by chronic sign seekers at the expense of the Word 1 Cor 1:22

6. The growth recorded in Acts was the ENTIRE church. Now it is sectarian, Oyaks vs Oyedepo vs Adefarsin.

Once again, why are numbers thrown at us? It was a noble thing for Bereans to examine if what Paul said was so. Now it is envying unmatched record.

I am sure you missed the why numbers are important SOMETIMES part of my post. The word of God never said if you preached the right gospel you would have few people around. So when people consistently preach what they delude themselves to believe is the right gospel and also claim that to be the reason they are few in number you can as well point them out to your own numbers and show them why they might infact be false. It is similar to those who call themselves Pastors or Apostles yet they are bereft of the credentials of that office and when they see someone else who oozes out the said credentials they begin misquoting scriptures to explain away their faithlessness.

In 2 Corinthians 12:12 Paul said there were signs to follow an Apostle. If I see anyone who claims to be an Apostle yet lacks those signs I can know the office is only Titular I.e such a person was not sent- they just went. Now if on the other hand I am labelled false and I go forth to defend my ministry or calling by listing out the signs that were wrought by my hands you would be amiss to start mentioning Chris Angel or Derren Brown to me, and insisting that non-Christians wrought 'miracles' as well. I am sure false Apostles in Paul's day still wrought some form of miracles but he didn't take it into consideration in penning the afore cited verse. So let's get the full gist.

Also, I don't remember saying that miracles were or not the major reason people are drawn to the gospel. I myself was in need of no miracle when I stumbled into a CE church or when I found a book by Kenneth E Hagin. In fact, I was already born again before I encountered any of the above but was in search of a deeper connection with God and I found it- praise the Lord.

In 1 Samuel 22:2 the men who came to join David were in Distress, Debt and Discontented- all 400 of them. If you dig deeper into 2 Samuel and I believe Chronicles the bible later described them as David's Mighty Men and they gave a lot to the building of the Temple. They were no longer what they were before they met him and if you consider that David wasn't yet the actual king you would learn to appreciate their testimony a lot better. The point is that if people come to listen to your own right gospel it ought to change and benefit them not only in the world to come but in the present. And when it does, more and more people will be added to them. It is only logical. The cripple who met Paul at Lystra listened intently to Paul's gospel and from it he developed a faith to be healed. Yet you have self-styled true gospelers who claim the 'health gospel' is false and brand those who preach it anathema. You tell me if they have God's backing.

So the numbers will eventually show your progress and you or no one else can refute this incontrovertible fact. There is no problem with starting small. Jesus did. But 2 became 4 became 12. And it kept rising from 70 to 120 to 500, 3000 etc. The Samaritan woman that met Jesus went to tell her whole neighbourhood to come and listen to him. Same things happened with all his disciples and I guess we all agree that they were all 'true gospelers'.

Now be kind enough to tell those who claim to be true gospelers without all the necessary signs. Nobody is added to their ilk, nobody is blessed by their messages, no one is healed, enlightened, empowered. No one is unburdened. No one has true faith. What we see is a group of people who claim that faith is mentally assenting to an idea like I mentally assent to the idea that dieting is good yet my eating habits and stomach show that I do not have faith in dieting. For according to the bible, if I did have faith in dieting I would have been talking and ACTING like it is true by putting it to practice.

So yes, the numbers we are talking about is in relation to the body of Christ and not just individual numbers. You have to remember that all the names you mentioned have been termed vipers and what not. Kenneth Hagin, Chris Oyakhilome, Adeboye, Oyedepo etc etc are all fake and false for acting like the bible is true by putting the name of Jesus to use and preaching about the totality of the gospel I.e righteousness, health, wealth etc with the results and numbers to show. Just tell these true gospelers to show us the way and how it should be done. Let them stop complaining about the darkness. They should simply show us the light!

BabaGnoni:

Why are "healing" schools FULL of genuinely and undisputedly crippled wheelchair-ridden people who NEVER GET HEALED?
Why is cerebral palsy sufferer(s) turned away from approaching "healing" pastor(s) on stage at "healing" school(s)?

My challenge in answering these questions is that everyone is fake to you. But for the sake of posterity this claim even though rhetorical, is as flimsy as the one about Medical science being the fulfilment of "Greater than these shall ye do". Shebi you remember who made that claim?

I will not repeat my points because all you have said I had responded to.

Take any fringe,false religion such as Jehovah's Witnesses. At some point, there was Rutherford I guess in the US. Now they have Kingdom Halls all over the world. Numbers are important SOMETIMES I agree

They show that you are effective in whatever you are doing not whether you are right or wrong. For this, injecting them when testing doctrine is not wisdom.

mbaemeka:


I am sure you missed the why numbers are important SOMETIMES part of my post.[size=2pt] The word of God never said if you preached the right gospel you would have few people around. So when people consistently preach what they delude themselves to believe is the right gospel and also claim that to be the reason they are few in number you can as well point them out to your own numbers and show them why they might infact be false. It is similar to those who call themselves Pastors or Apostles yet they are bereft of the credentials of that office and when they see someone else who oozes out the said credentials they begin misquoting scriptures to explain away their faithlessness.

In 2 Corinthians 12:12 Paul said there were signs to follow an Apostle. If I see anyone who claims to be an Apostle yet lacks those signs I can know the office is only Titular I.e such a person was not sent- they just went. Now if on the other hand I am labelled false and I go forth to defend my ministry or calling by listing out the signs that were wrought by my hands you would be amiss to start mentioning Chris Angel or Derren Brown to me, and insisting that non-Christians wrought 'miracles' as well. I am sure false Apostles in Paul's day still wrought some form of miracles but he didn't take it into consideration in penning the afore cited verse. So let's get the full gist.

Also, I don't remember saying that miracles were or not the major reason people are drawn to the gospel. I myself was in need of no miracle when I stumbled into a CE church or when I found a book by Kenneth E Hagin. In fact, I was already born again before I encountered any of the above but was in search of a deeper connection with God and I found it- praise the Lord.

In 1 Samuel 22:2 the men who came to join David were in Distress, Debt and Discontented- all 400 of them. If you dig deeper into 2 Samuel and I believe Chronicles the bible later described them as David's Mighty Men and they gave a lot to the building of the Temple. They were no longer what they were before they met him and if you consider that David wasn't yet the actual king you would learn to appreciate their testimony a lot better. The point is that if people come to listen to your own right gospel it ought to change and benefit them not only in the world to come but in the present. And when it does, more and more people will be added to them. It is only logical. The cripple who met Paul at Lystra listened intently to Paul's gospel and from it he developed a faith to be healed. Yet you have self-styled true gospelers who claim the 'health gospel' is false and brand those who preach it anathema. You tell me if they have God's backing.

So the numbers will eventually show your progress and you or no one else can refute this incontrovertible fact. There is no problem with starting small. Jesus did. But 2 became 4 became 12. And it kept rising from 70 to 120 to 500, 3000 etc. The Samaritan woman that met Jesus went to tell her whole neighbourhood to come and listen to him. Same things happened with all his disciples and I guess we all agree that they were all 'true gospelers'.

Now be kind enough to tell those who claim to be true gospelers without all the necessary signs. Nobody is added to their ilk, nobody is blessed by their messages, no one is healed, enlightened, empowered. No one is unburdened. No one has true faith. What we see is a group of people who claim that faith is mentally assenting to an idea like I mentally assent to the idea that dieting is good yet my eating habits and stomach show that I do not have faith in dieting. For according to the bible, if I did have faith in dieting I would have been talking and ACTING like it is true by putting it to practice.

So yes, the numbers we are talking about is in relation to the body of Christ and not just individual numbers. You have to remember that all the names you mentioned have been termed vipers and what not. Kenneth Hagin, Chris Oyakhilome, Adeboye, Oyedepo etc etc are all fake and false for acting like the bible is true by putting the name of Jesus to use and preaching about the totality of the gospel I.e righteousness, health, wealth etc with the results and numbers to show. Just tell these true gospelers to show us the way and how it should be done. Let them stop complaining about the darkness. They should simply show us the light[/size]!

vooks:
You don't have to comment on any thread. How do you butt into vooks & kenyangirl28 and tell us this is naija forum and we are tribalists?

Do you have anything to hide. Why are you acting out the hypocritical script? Yet you have the nerve to comment on threads that have nothing to do with payment of 500k abi?

Next you run into me and Gombs and you crack everyone up by telling them that Reductio ad Absurdum is not in the Bible......

You asked whether the word bible is in the bible and i answered whether the word supernatural and trinity is there? And if i say you need to take your medication before logging in here, you will tell me it's unchristian.Do you see what i am saying? I was never interested in your reducto...or whatever crap you called it to start with.

If a particular post is not directed to you, you have no business parading your ignorance for all and sundry by responding to it. And if you really MUST, take time and COMPREHEND the subject. If you don't understand, please watch from the sidelines. You would learn a lot from reading others posting than when mindlessly attacking anything moving

I pray you will take this piece of advice of yours cos on the last count you are the guy bossing folks posts with arrogant pomp and pageantry even when ignorant of the subject matter.

I have not at any time mocked those who tithe.

Hehehehe.you have not indeed.i laff in kenyan tongues.

I have laid out my case for not tithing and I have responded to tithing arguments.

Your case and arguments is actually fit for the toilet latrines. It has been debunked on countless number of ocassions.

AM that structured. We have observed pro-tithers using all manner of arguments to support what they do. The latest is we do whatever Abraham did to Melchizedek. Melchizedek never collected first fruits or at least that is not recorded yet people(CE) offer them and fear diseases for failure to offer the same. Surely we can't derrive doctrines from what was offered to Melchizedek. It is absurd to suggest otherwise

You are nothing but an ignorant hypocrite who doesn't have time to study his bible but parade his gigantic ignorance from one forum to another. The question is does Melchizedek receives tithes? Yes or No?

vooks:
I will not repeat my points because all you have said I had responded to.
Take any fringe,false religion such as Jehovah's Witnesses. At some point, there was Rutherford I guess in the US. Now they have Kingdom Halls all over the world. Numbers are important SOMETIMES I agree
They show that you are effective in whatever you are doing not whether you are right or wrong. For this, injecting them when testing doctrine is not wisdom.

Doctrine, is it in the bible? Does it work? Do people apply it to their lives? Do people believe it? This has nothing to do with Mormons, JWs or Muslims.

Bidam:
Do you have anything to hide. Why are you acting out the hypocritical script? Yet you have the nerve to comment on threads that have nothing to do with payment of 500k abi?

I was following a thread and Joagbaje made a dare. SirJohn took it up. Since Joagbaje made the dare publicly, and SirJohn took it publicly, I don't see anything wrong with reminding him to keep his part of the bargain. Do you think he should pay up 500,000 Naira?

You asked whether the word bible is in the bible and i answered whether the word supernatural and trinity is there? And if i say you need to take your medication before logging in here, you will tell me it's unchristian.Do you see what i am saying? I was never interested in your reducto...or whatever crap you called it to start with.

This is the disease I was talking about; butting into discussions that have nothing to do with you WITHOUT understanding them. Kindly take time and re-read the posts again. I gave Gombs an assignment to research on Reductio ad Absurdum and next thing you shout that it is unscriptural

I pray you will take this piece of advice of yours cos on the last count you are the guy bossing folks posts with arrogant pomp and pageantry even when ignorant of the subject matter.

Point it when you find it. Your definition of arrogance and pomp is grasp of things you have never even thought about. Interesting

Hehehehe.you have not indeed.i laff in kenyan tongues.

Be my guest

Your case and arguments is actually fit for the toilet latrines. It has been debunked on countless number of ocassions.

Then don't respond to them. Where do you get this trolling itch to answer me?

You are nothing but an ignorant hypocrite who doesn't have time to study his bible but parade his gigantic ignorance from one forum to another. The question is does Melchizedek receives tithes? Yes or No?

Coming from a grow up who Googled scriptures for Reductio ad Absurdum, I humbly accept the compliment

False religions can equally boast of 'small beginings'. So if CE was once twenty and now they are 200 million,it tells you NOTHING about the content of their doctrine. So when am picking their doctrine apart, don't point me to numbers. False doctrines garner numbers too

mbaemeka:


Doctrine, is it in the bible? Does it work? Do people apply it to their lives? Do people believe it? This has nothing to do with Mormons, JWs or Muslims.

vooks:

I was following a thread and Joagbaje made a dare. SirJohn took it up. Since Joagbaje made the dare publicly, and SirJohn took it publicly, I don't see anything wrong with reminding him to keep his part of the bargain. Do you think he should pay up 500,000 Naira?

Since it is a public forum i also don't see anything wrong in barging into conversation between vooks and kenya and also reminding them to speak english and not turn it into a tribal discussion.

This is the disease I was talking about; butting into discussions that have nothing to do with you WITHOUT understanding them. Kindly take time and re-read the posts again. I gave Gombs an assignment to research on Reductio ad Absurdum and next thing you shout that it is unscriptural

And i still repeat incase your disease has not left you that i responded to the post on circumcision and freewill animal offering case you made against tithes not on the reducto...shit you gave gombs..Kindly go back and read again.

Point it when you find it. Your definition of arrogance and pomp is grasp of things you have never even thought about. Interesting

I don't need to point them out. Your arrogance against mbaemaka,shdemidemi,Gombs and image and i is clear for all and sundry to see.

Be my guest

Then don't respond to them. Where do you get this trolling itch to answer me?

i respond to free viewers and your ignorant disciples.

Coming from a grow up who Googled scriptures for Reductio ad Absurdum, I humbly accept the compliment

Like i said dumb head, i was never interested in reducto...a simple going back to check my earlier posts would ease your trolling itchiness.

Bidam:
Since it is a public forum i also don't see anything wrong in barging into conversation between vooks and kenya and also reminding them to speak english and not turn it into a tribal discussion.

I see two brothers busy in pidgin or vernacular, it is none of my business. I only complain if they address me in what I don't understand because I can't respond to it. Anything else is stalking

And i still repeat incase your disease has not left you that i responded to the post on circumcision and freewill animal offering case you made against tithes not on the reducto...shit you gave gombs..Kindly go back and read again.

Please cease and desist from mocking me with a disease. Am not in the least hurt, I just care for those who found themselves there. If you really must insult me, try something less sensitive to the underprivilleged

I don't need to point them out. Your arrogance against mbaemaka,shdemidemi,Gombs and image and i is clear for all and sundry to see.

If it is all clear, then you have no business reminding me. I notice my 'arrogance' is noticeable whenever you run out of sensible points. Primates are interesting

i respond to free viewers and your ignorant disciples.

Then kindly try to COMPREHEND because you embarrass yourself and derail the thread unnecessarily with your ignorance.

Like i said dumb head, i was never interested in reducto...a simple going back to check my earlier posts would ease your trolling itchiness.

It does not concern you. Not everything is your level. Few are. Most things are too lofty. Learn in silence.I would never turn you away. I will take time and teach you. Just aks nicely

Bidam:
Reductio ad absurdum, looked it up not in my bible.

Lol

vooks:
You are blessed my brother. Schizophrenia is not your portion

Is this positive confession? WoF admirer alert.

Gombs:

Like I asked Trustman, a question he may still be ruminating on, why should a Christian be forced to stop tithing? Can you answer in plain terms?

Gombs, if you really want a discussion on tithes I can engage you. I will only request that you remain on the subject and reduce the theatrics. My answer:

Regardless what some may make of my position on tithes here, my position really is that of liberty. Tithe if you want to and don't tithe, if you care. I only insist that no one should teach it as a Christian doctrine and no one should be manipulated to tithe. The truth is that the moment tithes is exposed for it truly is, people quite naturally stop tithing. This is what tithers call stopping people from tithing; which we on the other hand simply call exposing the truth behind the biblical tithes.

Sometimes I think those who are for or against tithing get it wrong because what we casually call a "tithe" is not the bible tithe. The moment the true nature of the tithe is exposed, the whole practice begin to fall apart. Leviticus 27:30-33 reveal the biblical tithes:

Leviticus 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.... 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.

The bible tithe is fruit of tree, seed of the ground and tenth of the herd. What you call tithes today, a tenth of your salary, is not the tithes of the bible.

If you however insist that tithes is 10% and 10% of anything is tithes, I will again have to point to you that that practice of tithing is obsolete according to the NT. If you must tithe, as some claim they imitate tithing before the law, then you must answer the reason behind some other pre-law practices that are no longer observed in church: Genesis 2, said God rested from his works, initiating the practice of the sabbath. When Jesus came, he showed clearly that he was the Lord of the sabbath and his disciples flouted sabbath rules with reckless abandon. Paul also warns against such defunct observance, Col 2:16:

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Then there is circumcision. Clearly said to be an eternal covenant with God's people in Gen 17. Galatians 5:1-4 shows us that anyone finding acceptance with God through circumcision had fallen from grace. We have burnt offering and various rituals that preceded the law. All of this have no place in the NT. How come did Abram once and for all tithing of war spoil become a standard for Christians? The answer is simple: the tithing according to Abraham is a theological copout to legitimize fraud in the church. If it must be practised, Christians should tithe once and tithe only of war spoils.

Tithing according to the law does not hold water and thankfully many tithers try not to go to the law to justify their tithing. Rom 10:4; Heb 8:13.

Now, I find it interesting that tithers are the ones playing the victim now, saying people are forcing them not to tithe. The truth is that it is people who do not tithe that are being insisted upon to tithe in real life. Many have been chased away from their local churches because of their position on tithe; many have been demonized and vilified for their bold position against this illegality; outside this faceless forum, very few people can speak up against tithes without being seen as accursed individuals; etc.

The reality is that non tithers are vilified not because they insist that people shouldn't tithe; rather they are demonized because they insist that church people should have liberty to use their resources for whatever they wish, including not paying a tithe on it. However a clergy system that has benefitted from the tithes will have non of it.

Gombs, I am not insisting on anyone not to tithe; I am only insisting on the true biblical tithe be preached and that men be given the liberty scripture has given us to use our resources for whatever we wish to use it for, 2 Cor 9:7:

2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Luke 6:28 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
28 bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

Just following Jesus Christ

You too are blessed my broda, and am sorry for calling you a woman. It was an honest mistake and I hope you found it in your heart to forgive me. I just learnt that the 'm' and 'f' behind monikers represent gender

Image123:

Is this positive confession? WoF admirer alert.

vooks:


I have not at any time mocked those who tithe.

And the graves were opened, and many bodies which slept arose, Amen.

vooks:
Luke 6:28 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
28 bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

Just following Jesus Christ

You too are blessed my broda, and am sorry for calling you a woman. It was an honest mistake and I hope you found it in your heart to forgive me. I just learnt that the 'm' and 'f' behind monikers represent gender

It was the "not your portion" part i referred to. Apologies accepted though i wasn't offended, i just showed the inconsistency. I guess that was done harshly, sorry about that.

vooks:
False religions can equally boast of 'small beginings'. So if CE was once twenty and now they are 200 million,it tells you NOTHING about the content of their doctrine. So when am picking their doctrine apart, don't point me to numbers. False doctrines garner numbers too

This is escapist. I am not talking about whatever false religions that thrive or exist. That's why I said in the BIBLE and why I related it between people who call themselves christians.

If you insist on tossing in the feeble excuse of 'false religions have power or false religions garner numbers' then Paul was wrong for listing his credentials in 2 Corinthians 12:12 and Jesus was wrong in pointing John the Baptist's disciples to his miracles.

Image123:



Lol

Lol@image. Don't mind the mischief maker,he thought i was interested in his reducto..logical nonsense.Make i finish from church first. I no get time for am now.

Escapist is throwing numbers in a doctrinal debate.
False religions can and they do flourish. So appealing to growth adds NOTHING to the debate, it is sideshow.

Whether believers can/should/do perform miracles and exceed Jesus ( something NOBODY has ever seen) or not is equally irrelevant.

Vooks: why is Oyaks telling members who don't give Firstfruits that they will catch HIV?
mbaemeka: last year we were 166,392,111 members, this year we are 167,258,966.77 gloooooory
Vooks: say what?
mbaemeka: last week, fibroids disappeared off a woman at Canada Healing School

mbaemeka:


This is escapist. I am not talking about whatever false religions that thrive or exist. That's why I said in the BIBLE and why I related it between people who call themselves christians.

If you insist on tossing in the feeble excuse of 'false religions have power or false religions garner numbers' then Paul was wrong for listing his credentials in 2 Corinthians 12:12 and Jesus was wrong in pointing John the Baptist's disciples to his miracles.

vooks:
Escapist is throwing numbers in a doctrinal debate.
False religions can and they do flourish. So appealing to growth adds NOTHING to the debate, it is sideshow.

Numbers don't lie bro, people do. Besides, what debate am I engaged in when someone says "you are false or you teach a false gospel?" All I am left to do in such an instance is to flash out my credentials and juxtapose it with what obtains in the scriptures.

I don't believe numbers were flashed in rebuttal of any doctrinal debate like tithing. You can do well to refresh your memory.

vooks:
Escapist is throwing numbers in a doctrinal debate.
False religions can and they do flourish. So appealing to growth adds NOTHING to the debate, it is sideshow.

Whether believers can/should perform miracles and exceed Jesus ( something NOBODY has ever seen) or not is equally irrelevant.

Vooks: why is Oyaks telling members who don't give Firstfruits that they will catch HIV?
mbaemeka: last year we were 166,392,111 members, this year we are 167,258,966.77 gloooooory
Vooks: say what?
mbaemeka: last week, fibroids disappeared off a woman at Canada Healing School

The emboldened is on a wheelchair man- lame. That's just conjecture that we don't take serious or bother responding to as it is nothing like us. A proper exchange would have been:

Vooks: WOF teaches a false gospel and the Pastors are all fake.
Mbaemeka: but Millions have listened to the gospel from the so-called WOF men and they seem to be doing well off. Sicknesses are healed, poor are becoming rich, ignorance seems a thing of the past.
Vooks: numbers is sideshow. False signs and false prophets shall arise.
Mbaemeka:

trustman:
Gombs & Co,
Does The Midas Touch have anything to say on the issue below:

I don't. Why not get back to the Facebook page and ask them? You believe anything you read online so far it puts CE in bad light, you now shamelessly mention me for an opinion? Ask WinsomeX, he seems to have opinions you'd love to hear.

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Is this positive confession? WoF admirer alert.

Name it and claim it shey?

Cc:
WinsomeX and the board members

Gombs:


I don't. Why not get back to the Facebook page and ask them? You believe anything you read online so far it puts CE in bad light, you now shamelessly mention me for an opinion? Ask Whatshisface , he seems to have opinions you'd love to hear.

Just imagine if that link said "Millions healed" by CE Pastor. You would have seen Sherlock Holmes, Matlock and Nancy Drew in full gear proving how bogus such a claim was. Now that it sounded scandalous it became the absolute truth with no need to investigate it.

Hahahaha.

WinsomeX:

Gombs, if you really want a discussion on tithes I can engage you. I will only request that you remain on the subject and reduce the theatrics. My answer:

Deal

Regardless what some may make of my position on tithes here, my position really is that of liberty. Tithe if you want to and don't tithe, if you care. I only insist that no one should teach it as a Christian doctrine and no one should be manipulated to tithe. The truth is that the moment tithes is exposed for it truly is, people quite naturally stop tithing. This is what tithers call stopping people from tithing; which we on the other hand simply call exposing the truth behind the biblical tithes.

What is it that tithing really is that should make people NATURALLY stop tithing?

Sometimes I think those who are for or against tithing get it wrong because what we casually call a "tithe" is not the bible tithe. The moment the true nature of the tithe is exposed, the whole practice begin to fall apart. Leviticus 27:30-33 reveal the biblical tithes:

What of Abraham and Melchizedek? Is it Koranic tithing?

Leviticus 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.... 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.

What of pre mosaic tithing?

The bible tithe is fruit of tree, seed of the ground and tenth of the herd . What you call tithes today, a tenth of your salary all your increase, is not the tithes of the bible.

Meanwhile, you've shifted goal post from your usual definition of tithes when you were Drummaboy.

If you however insist that tithes is 10% and 10% of anything is tithes, I will again have to point to you that that practice of tithing is obsolete according to the NT. If you must tithe, as some claim they imitate tithing before the law, then you must answer the reason behind some other pre-law practices that are no longer observed in church: Genesis 2, said God rested from his works, initiating the practice of the sabbath.

Halt old sport! That bold above is very very very very very true. But what is the seventh day? Using which calendar? Meanwhile, Jesus said "The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath.
He also said he's the Lord of Sabbath, does that mean anything to you?

When Jesus came, he showed clearly that he was the Lord of the sabbath and his disciples flouted sabbath rules with reckless abandon. Paul also warns against such defunct observance, Col 2:16:

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Then there is circumcision. Clearly said to be an eternal covenant with God's people in Gen 17. Galatians 5:1-4 shows us that anyone finding acceptance with God through circumcision had fallen from grace.

We've said it here, physical circumcision only means you identify with the promises, but it does not make you righteous.

We have burnt offering and various rituals that preceded the law. All of this have no place in the NT. How come did Abram once and for all tithing of war spoil become a standard for Christians?

Mba has answered this, please flip few pages back for futher tuition.

The answer is simple: the tithing according to Abraham is a theological copout to legitimize fraud in the church. If it must be practised, Christians should tithe once and tithe only of war spoils.

War spoils? Ok according to you logic above? what if there's no wars? And they must tithe, What then? Create wars?

Tithing according to the law does not hold water and thankfully many tithers try not to go to the law to justify their tithing. Rom 10:4; Heb 8:13.

Malachi 3 was written to a particular time ahead of theirs, it was a prophecy, how many times do I have to write that?

Now, I find it interesting that tithers are the ones playing the victim now, saying people are forcing them not to tithe. The truth is that it is people who do not tithe that are being insisted upon to tithe in real life. Many have been chased away from their local churches because of their position on tithe; many have been demonized and vilified for their bold position against this illegality; outside this faceless forum, very few people can speak up against tithes without being seen as accursed individuals; etc.

Hahahahahah, you don't want folks to tithe, because it's a fraud, yet you can't pull a single thread that condemned it. Yes you should tithe, Midas touch, this book, gives you thousands of reasons to...and majorly, it's to sponsor the work of ministry. To have meat in the house of the Lord?
You were nit chased from your church because of your presentation, you went to the sheep through the window, with your thoughts, the Bible call that robbery.

The reality is that non tithers are vilified not because they insist that people shouldn't tithe; rather they are demonized because they insist that church people should have liberty to use their resources for whatever they wish, including not paying a tithe on it. However a clergy system that has benefitted from the tithes will have non of it.

Ok, I want the liberty to tithe, and I have the right to teach others... from experiences.

Gombs, I am not insisting on anyone not to tithe; I am only insisting on the true biblical tithe be preached and that men be given the liberty scripture has given us to use our resources for whatever we wish to use it for, 2 Cor 9:7:

Yes...I don't force anyone to tithe, I teach them, show them benefits and experiences, believe me, they thank me later.

2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Gbam

mbaemeka:


The emboldened is on a wheelchair man- lame. That's just conjecture that we don't take serious or bother responding to as it is nothing like us. A proper exchange would have been:

Vooks: WOF teaches a false gospel and the Pastors are all fake.
Mbaemeka: but Millions have listened to the gospel from the so-called WOF men and they seem to be doing well off. Sicknesses are healed, poor are becoming rich, ignorance seems a thing of the past.
Vooks: numbers is sideshow. False signs and false prophets shall arise.
Mbaemeka:

Hahhahhaahaahhaahahaha

Nice one

mbaemeka:


Just imagine if that link said "Millions healed" by CE Pastor. You would have seen Sherlock Holmes, Matlock and Nancy Drew in full gear proving how bogus such a claim was. Now that it sounded scandalous it became the absolute truth with no need to investigate it.

Hahahaha.

You'd see BBG and others with YouTube videos, Kunle will remeber Invectives, Shedemidemi would bring scriptures, vooks will remember James Randi, WinsomeX will remember Sir John, Goshen will remember mathematics etc

But so far it's bad news, it most surely is absolute truth, they swallow it hook, line and sinker. Never will they celebrate good news. Remember when Pastor Chris gave out that state of the art lecture theatre in Edo state? These blokes never asked my opinion, nor created threads about it.

trustman:
For starters, BabaGnoni's questions:

"Why are "healing" schools FULL of genuinely and undisputedly crippled wheelchair-ridden people who NEVER GET HEALED?
Why is cerebral palsy sufferer(s) turned away from approaching "healing" pastor(s) on stage at "healing" school(s)?"

Gombs:
Ask him whether he's writing from experience or just being cynical.

Gombs! Keep quiet there, else be ready to be on the receiving end of this anointing reeking holy jacket LOL