Gombs:


You should know I was refering to the bold in jest too

Thats why you and i remain friends despite all

cheers

Candour:


They have to....or you don't think so?

Yes, they should create one. Seun! See to it please

WinsomeX:


Gombs, if you really want a discussion on tithes I can engage you. I will only request that you remain on the subject and reduce the theatrics. My answer:

can you engage moi, funny. i had this funny recall of you(or was it your other version) swearing with hands raised to heaven never to talk with me on tithes ever again. i do not recall it well well. Tithemalice.

Regardless what some may make of my position on tithes here, my position really is that of liberty. Tithe if you want to and don't tithe, if you care. I only insist that no one should teach it as a Christian doctrine and no one should be manipulated to tithe. The truth is that the moment tithes is exposed for it truly is, people quite naturally stop tithing. This is what tithers call stopping people from tithing; which we on the other hand simply call exposing the truth behind the biblical tithes.

Am i at liberty to tithe without your hassles and queries? Is any random brother or sister at liberty to tithe without your asking them trip questions that you refused to learn the answers and use to deliberately lure and MANIPULATE others?

Sometimes I think those who are for or against tithing get it wrong because what we casually call a "tithe" is not the bible tithe. The moment the true nature of the tithe is exposed, the whole practice begin to fall apart. Leviticus 27:30-33 reveal the biblical tithes:

Leviticus 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.... 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.

The bible tithe is fruit of tree, seed of the ground and tenth of the herd. What you call tithes today, a tenth of your salary, is not the tithes of the bible.

Duhhhhhhhh, what of the Bible Adam, or the Bible meat, or the Bible bread. Rubbish.

If you however insist that tithes is 10% and 10% of anything is tithes, I will again have to point to you that that practice of tithing is obsolete according to the NT. If you must tithe, as some claim they imitate tithing before the law, then you must answer the reason behind some other pre-law practices that are no longer observed in church: Genesis 2, said God rested from his works, initiating the practice of the sabbath. When Jesus came, he showed clearly that he was the Lord of the sabbath and his disciples flouted sabbath rules with reckless abandon. Paul also warns against such defunct observance, Col 2:16:

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Obsolete where? What sabbath rules were flouted with reckless abandon? Do you just juggle words together?

Then there is circumcision. Clearly said to be an eternal covenant with God's people in Gen 17. Galatians 5:1-4 shows us that anyone finding acceptance with God through circumcision had fallen from grace. We have burnt offering and various rituals that preceded the law. All of this have no place in the NT. How come did Abram once and for all tithing of war spoil become a standard for Christians? The answer is simple: the tithing according to Abraham is a theological copout to legitimize fraud in the church. If it must be practised, Christians should tithe once and tithe only of war spoils.

There they go, once and for all. How many times did Abraham offer burnt offerings?

Tithing according to the law does not hold water and thankfully many tithers try not to go to the law to justify their tithing. Rom 10:4; Heb 8:13.

How does it not hold water, yet that is what you spend your time arguing that NT believers must do if they tithe? You want us to do stuff that do not hold water?

Now, I find it interesting that tithers are the ones playing the victim now, saying people are forcing them not to tithe. The truth is that it is people who do not tithe that are being insisted upon to tithe in real life. Many have been chased away from their local churches because of their position on tithe; many have been demonized and vilified for their bold position against this illegality; outside this faceless forum, very few people can speak up against tithes without being seen as accursed individuals; etc.

Are you not forcing people not to tithe? Are you not the one asking that we MUST answer the reason? Is NL not real life, is it a game? Would you allow me to teach tithes in your new church? Have you not called us IRREDEEMABLE for tithing? What is the difference between being demonized and being pronounced irredeemable and condemned? Hypopo

The reality is that non tithers are vilified not because they insist that people shouldn't tithe; rather they are demonized because they insist that church people should have liberty to use their resources for whatever they wish, including not paying a tithe on it. However a clergy system that has benefitted from the tithes will have non of it.


Gombs, I am not insisting on anyone not to tithe; I am only insisting on the true biblical tithe be preached and that men be given the liberty scripture has given us to use our resources for whatever we wish to use it for, 2 Cor 9:7:

2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

The same so called true biblical tithe that you just stated doesn't hold water? Habaaaaa. i will give my tithe after the 2Corinthians 9v7 order until Jesus comes. Lemme see you stop me from entering heaven for that.

Candour:




I'm an engineer friend. a process engineer who works with process systems when everybody else has gone to sleep and i'm right at my duty post even now. I use people like you to keep awake actually. My colleagues unwind with booze and other vices, i make do with bible studies and discussions mostly online but also with colleagues here interested and NL falls into that category.

@the bolded. Keep sneaking up at night to sow tares while good men have gone to sleep, i'll be waiting

Hahahahahahahahaha, i can't shout.

Image123:


Hahahahahahahahaha, i can't shout.

you had better not

Hehehehe Jesus will come back before this tithe matter will be put to bed. Una well done!

Gombs

That's your pseudo name.

Like you admitted clear truths that Abraham was not Isrealite.? Like you accepted clear truth that your noble board member said eve had sex with a...emmm... ?

Until you quote where i said something out of place do not expect me to be forced into another man's issue if i don't want to.
If that hurts you, sorry about that.

You, my friend, are a wonderful blueprint for denial.

You want me to commit to you? You must be joking. I am convinced beyond words that Pastor Chris is a man sent from God. Like it or not.

You can't even teach yourself, with numerous blunders, yet you want to teach me or even more Pastor Chris.

Provide me a more truer gospel, and I'd listen to you. Till then

Issues, content, doctrine!
When it comes to these, you guys fall flat on your faces.
You only prefer to spill out your leader's position even when it is clear to you
that it does not quite line up with scripture. So you look for escape routes or
resort to banter. That is why you RUN AWAY from answering so many of the
questions posed to you.

trustman:





Until you quote where i said something out of place do not expect me to be forced into another man's issue if i don't want to.
If that hurts you, sorry about that.








Issues, content, doctrine!
When it comes to these, you guys fall flat on your faces.
You only prefer to spill out your leader's position even when it is clear to you
that it does not quite line up with scripture. So you look for escape routes or
resort to banter. That is why you RUN AWAY from answering so many of the
questions posed to you.

So, you are the one that wants to teach Pastor Chris who taught me shey? Oya, I'm ready to learn from you. For starters, how have you reached out to the world of sinners so far? Share with me your strategies and successes. Thank you.

[quote author=vooks post=28338794]

I see two brothers busy in pidgin or vernacular, it is none of my business. I only complain if they address me in what I don't understand because I can't respond to it. Anything else is stalking

Yet you have a penchant for stalking my posts all over this forum and when someone does that to you, you develop feverish fingers and nightmares.Are you so miserable?

Please cease and desist from mocking me with a disease. Am not in the least hurt, I just care for those who found themselves there. If you really must insult me, try something less sensitive to the underprivilleged

Who mentioned i am diseased to start with?In as much as you are concerned about them, then stop making false and misleading assertions, those who accuse others of having disease should be very careful in whether they themselves are diseased to start with.

If it is all clear, then you have no business reminding me. I notice my 'arrogance' is noticeable whenever you run out of sensible points. Primates are interesting

Your arrogance is that of a fool is who left to his own devices. why bother with him to start with? he thinks he is wise in his own eyes.

Then kindly try to COMPREHEND because you embarrass yourself and derail the thread unnecessarily with your ignorance.

The gap of your ignorance is more wider than the little kids i teach in salvation classes,why fool yourself.

It does not concern you. Not everything is your level. Few are. Most things are too lofty. Learn in silence.I would never turn you away. I will take time and teach you. Just aks nicely

Just as Paul in Acts 17:23 would say to the Athenians: "Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you."
I am not ignorant of God neither am i ignorant on the Word of God, i will keep posting as long as folks like you keep making latrine statements.

Gombs:


So, you are the one that wants to teach Pastor Chris who taught me shey? Oya, I'm ready to learn from you. For starters, how have you reached out to the world of sinners so far? Share with me your strategies and successes. Thank you.

You have just given yourself away again.
We have not finished dealing with the matters on this thread and you want us
to go off to other ones. You are confirming what i have said repeatedly.

For your information, each Christian has his spiritual gift and God's allotted
sphere of assignment. Within that sphere when he does his service well he
receives God's approval.

Success to God may be completely different from man's measure so it
would out of place to begin to reduce success to figures like you guys have
done in recent times.

BabaGnoni:




mbaemeka, you're an unscrupulous appalling ego driven self-conceited WoFtard
- no offense, and am sorry this is hurting me more saying this than hurting you

mbaemeka, are you a learner, if not why are you coming across as one
1) You are so naive about healing and miracles
- The first question was about Tetraplegia (i.e. also known as quadriplegia) and you are bringing out fibroids
- You know, dont you, that inspite of the body been a self healing machine, there is a limit to...
2) You are so ignorant of Greek Aorist Tenses used in the New Testament.
- Google is your friend, if you're seriously curious or want to know more about Greek Aorist Tenses
3) You are so fond of using deceptive casualness, you put out "remarks" allegedly made by other poster(s) without backing them up with the actual quote or at very least do a verbatim
- Why do you shamelessly like quoting posters out of context, why do you enjoy twisting comments made by fellow poster(s)?

The questions asked were the below:
Q1) Why are "healing" schools FULL of genuinely and undisputedly crippled wheelchair-ridden people who NEVER GET HEALED?
Q2) Why is cerebral palsy sufferer(s) turned away from approaching "healing" pastor(s) on stage at "healing" school(s)?

How and where you got the "everyone is fake to you" idea, no doubt is a nomination for another/one of life's great mysteries

If you have no explanations for the scenario in Q1 and the incident in Q2, why not keep schtum or quiet about them.
Do you have to graffiti threads with uppity slurs
Your response make a mockery of two serious cases (i.e. the scenario in Q1 and the incident in Q2) which required/demanded careful consideration and not seasonal vituperative outburst(s)

^^^ Imma need a gibberish interpreting software to read this.

All in a bid to sound esoteric or is it because I reminded you of your medical-science-replacing-greater-works-than-these-shall-ye-do prophecy?

Please read between the lines concerning Vooks post and hide your egghead in shame. Or better still create a new moniker to escape this one. I would go easy on you this time around because I am in a good mood. For the record though, you spoke OP (I would add 'as usual' here)

Now concerning your questions I said everyone is fake to you because your grouse is not with Chris Oyakhilome, Kumuyi, Hagin, Oyedepo etc. Your issue is with unbelief and I can prove it.

Let us assume that all the so-called faith healers that you feel I am affiliated to are fake. Let us also assume that you believe God still heals people. Now can you show me evidences that tetraplegics and Palsy sufferers have received this healing from God- I mean the God of the bible, and if/WHEN you can't, can we also conclude that you do not believe in healings but only aver so to substantiate your criticism and hatred for the faith healers?

PS: Someone tossed a stick into a pack of dogs. The one that got hit barked the loudest. But I'm sleep though...

trustman:


You have just given yourself away again.
We have not finished dealing with the matters on this thread and you want us
to go off to other ones. You are confirming what i have said repeatedly.

For your information, each Christian has his spiritual gift and God's allotted
sphere of assignment. Within that sphere when he does his service well he
receives God's approval.

Success to God may be completely different from man's measure so it
would out of place to begin to reduce success to figures like you guys have
done in recent times.

Don't you ever quote me again, and don't worry I won't quote you.

Cheers!

Hahahahahahaha, na Jesus go come settle the thing oh, the way i dey see am.

debosky:
Hehehehe Jesus will come back before this tithe matter will be put to bed. Una well done!

Gombs:


Don't you ever quote me again, and don't worry I won't quote you.

Cheers!

Say, is this an open forum or a restricted one?
You have your liberty but don't attempt to curtail mine. Ok?

mbaemeka:
^^^ Imma need a gibberish interpreting software to read this.

All in a bid to sound esoteric or is it because I reminded you of your medical-science-replacing-greater-works-than-these-shall-ye-do prophecy?

Please read between the lines concerning Vooks post and hide your egghead in shame. Or better still create a new moniker to escape this one. I would go easy on you this time around because I am in a good mood. For the record though, you spoke OP (I would add 'as usual' here)

Now concerning your questions I said everyone is fake to you because your grouse is not with Chris Oyakhilome, Kumuyi, Hagin, Oyedepo etc. Your issue is with unbelief and I can prove it.

Let us assume that all the so-called faith healers that you feel I am affiliated to are fake. Let us also assume that you believe God still heals people. Now can you show me evidences that tetraplegics and Palsy sufferers have received this healing from God- I mean the God of the bible, and if/WHEN you can't, can we also conclude that you do not believe in healings but only aver so to substantiate your criticism and hatred for the faith healers?

PS: Someone tossed a stick into a pack of dogs. The one that got hit barked the loudest. But I'm sleep though...

"Imma need a gibberish interpreting software" indeed
- You retreat into a world of fantasy and self-delusion a lot when the truth stares you in face, don't worry, this time, blame it on been sleepyhead

Don't be silly, What is esoteric about sharing a for-you-information (i.e. FYI) or you prefer the need-to-know-information be hidden or hoarded?
- it isn't the first time and by God's grace, it certainly wouldn't be my last sharing it.

I don't know you from Adam, nor know you from a previous life, so I still don't understand your hardened and stubborn fixation with changing monickers

You're incorrigible, wont learn from correction. How many times have you got to be advised to back up your allegation and/or trumped-up charges.
Show the original quotes for the following:
#1) "medical-science-replacing-greater-works-than-these-shall-ye-do prophecy"
#2) "everyone is fake to you because your grouse is not with Chris Oyakhilome, Kumuyi, Hagin, Oyedepo etc."

Look, that's my gauntlet, throw down on the floor
Prove "issue is with unbelief and I can prove it"

Young man you will do yourself a world of good, if you can just provide unedited versions of quotations to backed up ALL your allegations

I wonder how people like you get the liver to do this, make incriminating statements about other posters without providing evidence(s) or backing it up with the original quotes

Who are all the so-called faith healers that you are affiliated to, fake or not fake?

Yahweh is our Healer, so mbaemeka do me the honours, as I would very much love to see the original quotation relating to or the entire post pertaining to "Let us also assume that you believe God still heals people"

Criticism and hatred for the faith healers ke?
mbaemeka, there is a thin line between faith healers and "faith healers"

PS: a lamb and a pig fall into the same dirty, oozing muddy ditch,
The pig rolls about, wallowing in and enjoying the mud, but the lamb cries and gets out
The pig loves to get dirty and loves mud
so the pig is happy to stay perpetually in the mud ditch

what you are calling conjecture is EXACTLY what happens here. Gombs is notorious. He started with claiming his Rhapsodies thread has more impact than the WOF one. I pushed him to define 'impact'. He mumbled something to do with views,emails,prayers.....i called out this vanity. Does the views on a thread reflect the truth on a thread? It quickly turned into Rhapsodies distributed,branches. Somebody was being challenged to match that. Am not too old on NL but I have noticed that habit of throwing around CE numbers at inconvenient occasions.

When you are accused of peddling false doctrine, please justify your position Biblically not from subjective parameters such as 'millions' of Rhapsodies distributed or bought by branches.

There comes a time when I know that you know the point am making whether you admit it or not and you agree with me. This is it.

Shalom

mbaemeka:


The emboldened is on a wheelchair man- lame. That's just conjecture that we don't take serious or bother responding to as it is nothing like us. A proper exchange would have been:

Vooks: WOF teaches a false gospel and the Pastors are all fake.
Mbaemeka: but Millions have listened to the gospel from the so-called WOF men and they seem to be doing well off. Sicknesses are healed, poor are becoming rich, ignorance seems a thing of the past.
Vooks: numbers is sideshow. False signs and false prophets shall arise.
Mbaemeka:

trustman:


Say, is this an open forum or a restricted one?
You have your liberty but don't attempt to curtail mine. Ok?

He asked for your experience in soul winning and strategies, guess what your answers were? You have none, there is/are no shame in admitting. Good morning

[quote author=vooks post=28351744]

what you are calling conjecture is EXACTLY what happens here. Gombs is notorious. He started with claiming his Rhapsodies thread has more impact than the WOF one.

Yup, that's beyond reasonable doubt. That WoF thread was a gathering of some board members to discuss what they feel. With treacherous errors dotted all over the thread, you can't help but wonder "is the thread about failures or are the board members"?

I pushed him to define 'impact'. He mumbled something to do with views,emails,prayers.....

Remember how WinsomeX explained the success of the WoF thread? Believe it or not, I have impacted lives with the gospel online and offline more than you can ever do in 60years if you continue with this your nature and attitude. What is it again? Numbers is not a yardstick shey? And Narrow is the way and few find it right?

i called out this vanity. Does the views on a thread reflect the truth on a thread?

Stop being cynical. I can ask same about the WoF thread, WinsomeX made mention of views, a fact I broke down very very well, I even used the miniskirt analogy....
But....that ror thread has enough truth to last more than 50 entire millennia, than that WoF thread with erros like Jim Baker was WoF etc

It quickly turned into Rhapsodies distributed,branches. Somebody was being challenged to match that. Am not too old on NL but I have noticed that habit of throwing around CE numbers at inconvenient occasions.

Admit, they give you seizures. Dr. Bidam is very close by for necessary prescriptions.

When you are accused of peddling false doctrine, please justify your position Biblically not from subjective parameters such as 'millions' of Rhapsodies distributed or bought by branches.

I see not only does my gifs get you paranoid, the ROR too does! How do we help your situation now? Dr. Bidam...any help? Or do we need Dr. Phil or Oprah?

There comes a time when I know that you know the point am making whether you admit it or not and you agree with me. This is it.

Yeah, prophecy time, like one nanny here said one day scales would fall off my eyes. I've got great news, you both are gonna wait a long time. So very long a time.

Shalom

Thanks bro! Good morning

LambanoPeace:



He asked for your experience in soul winning and strategies, guess what your answers were? You have none, there is/are no shame in admitting. Good morning

Don't mind that fellow.

Gombs,
You have exceeded your goD Oyaks in impact no debate about that
Now that we have done away with BS, let's talk doctrine

PS: Don't stoop low enough to mock the diseased. Bidam is allowed, you are too polished and intelligent for that

What has that got to do with ANYTHING?

LambanoPeace:



He asked for your experience in soul winning and strategies, guess what your answers were? You have none, there is/are no shame in admitting. Good morning

Image123:

You denied until caught black-handed as it were, apologies are worthless without repentance.

As if what you quoted looked like an apology to you. If you are looking for what to repent of, Image123, they are not far away o.

Image123:

Am i at liberty to tithe without your hassles and queries? Is any random brother or sister at liberty to tithe without your asking them trip questions that you refused to learn the answers and use to deliberately lure and MANIPULATE others?.

Is there anything in what I wrote that you do not understand? If you look well on my post you will see that the questions, "trip" questions really,you are asking where answered there.

If you really want a discussion on tithes, the other one was directed at Gombs, you can start it off, even here very nicely and I will attend to you. If you however you wish to only respond with snide comments, theatrics and the likes, I must then ignore you. I have better things to use my time for.

Gombs:


Don't mind that fellow.

Broken-off fragment.

vooks:
Gombs,
You have exceeded your goD Oyaks in impact no debate about that
Now that we have done away with BS, let's talk doctrine

PS: Don't stoop low enough to mock the diseased. Bidam is allowed, you are too polished and intelligent for that

Bring it on, old sport!

You need deliverance from Hollywood

Can one catch diseases from non-payment of first fruits?

Gombs:


Bring it on, old sport!

vooks:
You need deliverance from Hollywood

Can one catch diseases from non-payment of first fruits?

No, they can't!

My turn! Should one encourage a Christian to stop tithing? If yes, why?

No they should not. Why would you discourage tithing? You should,if anything, try to understand their motivation.

If I told you am selling all my properties and giving it to your church, would you as my pastor not be interested to know why am doing it? What if I told you am selling all because the Lord is coming back in the next 6 months? Would you take it?

Gombs:


No, they can't!

My turn! Should one encourage a Christian to stop tithing? If yes, why?

[quote author=vooks post=28354451]

No they should not. Why would you discourage tithing?

Ah! Finally a breakthrough. Cc: WinsomeX, Candour, Shedemidemi, BabaGnoni, mand the rest of the crew. Come and take notes o

You should,if anything, try to understand their motivation.

Yes.... folks can't seem to understand tithing in faith, neither could they produce one scripture where it was condemned.

If I told you am selling all my properties and giving it to your church, would you as my pastor not be interested to know why am doing it?

I don't necessarily need ask why, I simply applaud you and pray alongside you, that your heart desires be granted you. Folks give their brand new cars, I never asked why...I simply admired them.

What if I told you am selling all because the Lord is coming back in the next 6 months? Would you take it?

Then my brother, I'd need take you on a bible study.

Gombs my broda,
There is one one NT rule for giving; as you purpose in your heart & without compulsion.

An externally set fraction of giving goes against the 'as you purpose' aspect of giving

I would encourage the 10% giver equally to the 5%,15%,30% giver or the no-percentage-nonsense giver equally.

Pious fraudsters fear that the NT standards may not rake in enough. They set fractions robbing you of the freedom of choice. They also compel you by dangling utopia called financial breakthroughs,disease-free bliss,debt cancellation and they go as far as threatening you with hellfire. Calling you robber and invoking curse they won't hesitate.

These threads have just done that; taking deluded sheeple through Bible study so they can regain their freedom to give and get immunized from compulsion. Gloooooooooory

vooks:

Now that we have done away with BS, let's talk doctrine

PS: Don't stoop low enough to mock the diseased. Bidam is allowed, you are too polished and intelligent for that

My brother, you are cured in Jesus name.Go and sin no more.Don't get paranoid over my jokes. It's a way to unwind and ease off the stress. I noticed you take my post too seriously for your comfort.

Don't unwind by mocking the diseased. Joking with diseases shows your insensitivity to plight of the sufferers. Image123 has the guts to joke about blindness with MarkMiwerds a physically blind man.

If you want to insult me all day, please do. But don't mock the underprivileged. That is a line I won't cross. You do it again and I will not respond to you. When your brains overheat from imbibing my God-given wisdom, and you want me to stop, just mock the diseased and I will stop right away

Bidam:
My brother, you are cured in Jesus name.Go and sin no more.Don't get paranoid over my jokes. It's a way to unwind and ease off the stress. I noticed you take my post too seriously for your comfort.