again, i need to know. what can you pastorkun, dorox, weah96, ovacoma. what can you tell/teach me about Muhammad, Jesus, Islam, Christianity, Moses? tell me something. you can quote from bible and quran, while you quote, you should explain the verses that you quote. it is my learning minute. about holy spirit too.

gatiano:
Are you a christian, or hindu, or a muslim, buddhist, satanist, jew or atheist?

Another daft question

gatiano:
again, i need to know. what can you pastorkun, dorox, weah96, ovacoma. what can you tell/teach me about Muhammad, Jesus, Islam, Christianity, Moses? tell me something. you can quote from bible and quran, while you quote, you should explain the verses that you quote. it is my learning minute. about holy spirit too.

What exactly do you want to learn?

do you understand the question? quoting or copying and pasting the bible verses does not make you a christian. so are you are christian or muslim or the others?

PastorKun:


Another daft question

lets start with how Jesus create christianity, and How is Jesus the son of GOD?

PastorKun:


What exactly do you want to learn?

gatiano:
again, i need to know. what can you pastorkun, dorox, weah96, ovacoma. what can you tell/teach me about Muhammad, Jesus, Islam, Christianity, Moses? tell me something. you can quote from bible and quran, while you quote, you should explain the verses that you quote. it is my learning minute. about holy spirit too.

I have no qualms with someone who does not eat pork because their religion forbids it, but to claim that eating pork makes someone stup!d is just not supported by fact.

ooooh! ok. facts

dorox:

I have no qualms with someone who does not eat pork because their religion forbids it, but to claim that eating pork makes someone stup!d is just not supported by fact.

gatiano:
i don't really understand, can you be more straight forward?

All the material things in life that provide you comfort and make your life easier were designed by people who ate roasted swine meat at backyard barbeque get-to-togethers.

gatiano:
lets start with how Jesus create christianity, and How is Jesus the son of GOD?

What is so hard to believe about that? I have a fellow Muslim on another thread right now telling me that Allah is a man like me. A superior man. That's like the same idea.

gatiano:
lets start with how Jesus create christianity, and How is Jesus the son of GOD?

You are derailing the thread, why don't you create another thread for your questions. This thread seeks to expose islamic teachings that encourage terrorism so address the issue at hand and stop derailing.

who made your life easier? i know who made mine so marvellous. i can lay my life and the lives of my unborn grandchildren down, that he who made my life and the lives of my yet unborn great grandchildren will never eat a pork meat, not even by a long deceit or mistake. all the material things that you whine about and kill one another for is made from the created things that ALLAH with his own hands created.

Weah96:


All the material things in life that provide you comfort and make your life easier were designed by people who ate roasted swine meat at backyard barbeque get-to-togethers.

it is this same thread, i told you so, and i stand by it that GOD is a supreme MAN. He can't just be other than a Man.

Weah96:


What is so hard to believe about that? I have a fellow Muslim on another thread right now telling me that Allah is a man like me. A superior man. That's like the same idea.

You see, i have been trapped inside the house of ALLAH, i feel very comfortable there. Now that you all think he is a devil, Use the knowledge that Jesus impounded on you through his teaching to get me away from ALLAH'S house.

PastorKun:


You are derailing the thread, why don't you create another thread for your questions. This thread seeks to expose islamic teachings that encourage terrorism so address the issue at hand and stop derailing.

gatiano:
You see, i have been trapped inside the house of ALLAH, i feel very comfortable there. Now that you all think he is a devil, Use the knowledge that Jesus impounded on you through his teaching to get me away from ALLAH'S house.

Who is allah

ALLAH is the one and only GOD, besides HIM, there is no other. He created everything, including the air that you breathing as you are reading. ALLAH got me with him, not that i'm that righteous or good, i'm not holy, yet HE is ever forgiving and merciful. Now, if you think i'm in the wrong place, i dare you and the god that you serve to remove me from the bosom/house of ALLAH. Use the bible to convince a muslim to convert.

PastorKun:


Who is allah

who is the son of GOD? and how

Weah96:


What is so hard to believe about that? I have a fellow Muslim on another thread right now telling me that Allah is a man like me. A superior man. That's like the same idea.

gatiano:
it is this same thread, i told you so, and i stand by it that GOD is a supreme MAN. He can't just be other than a Man.

Is he a white man or a black man?

gatiano:
who made your life easier? i know who made mine so marvellous. i can lay my life and the lives of my unborn grandchildren down, that he who made my life and the lives of my yet unborn great grandchildren will never eat a pork meat, not even by a long deceit or mistake. all the material things that you whine about and kill one another for is made from the created things that ALLAH with his own hands created.

I wasn't arguing with you, simply translating the comment you didn't understand.

How does that matter? if ALLAH was the first MAN, what hue would he have been?

Weah96:


Is he a white man or a black man?

gatiano:
How does that matter? if ALLAH was the first MAN, what hue would he have been?

Black. But do the Arab people know that?

How can you tell for sure?

Weah96:


Black. But do the Arab people know that?

gatiano:
How can you tell for sure?

Yea, you're right. LOL. Doesn't it ever come up though? You know, conversations about the scientific origins of man?
Do they teach those things in the Islamic schools? I'm asking because Arabs don't seem to have too high of an opinion for black people.
Allah aside, they are racist. You couldn't marry a girl from a poor Saudi family even if you were an Imam who resembles Denzel.

gatiano:
ALLAH is the one and only GOD, besides HIM, there is no other. He created everything, including the air that you breathing as you are reading. ALLAH got me with him, not that i'm that righteous or good, i'm not holy, yet HE is ever forgiving and merciful. Now, if you think i'm in the wrong place, i dare you and the god that you serve to remove me from the bosom/house of ALLAH. Use the bible to convince a muslim to convert.

Contrary to your assertions, I read from ancient Arabic sources that allah is the ancient moon god worshipped by abdallah(mohammed's father). Mohammed merely 'promoted' allah to the status of the creator by adopting jewish scripture, remixing it and substituting Yaweh for allah.

gatiano:
who made your life easier? i know who made mine so marvellous. i can lay my life and the lives of my unborn grandchildren down, that he who made my life and the lives of my yet unborn great grandchildren will never eat a pork meat, not even by a long deceit or mistake. all the material things that you whine about and kill one another for is made from the created things that ALLAH with his own hands created.

Lolz, continue to delude yourself. I am almost certain that your children talkless of your grand children like most muslim children born in the last four decades would convert to christianity. it's not too late for you yourself to retrace your steps and leave that religion that was established and spread with violence to the one that was established based on God's love.

xaxaxaxaxaxaxa, laugh won kill me. true Blackman is the first, he is the owner of the earth and not just that, the entire universe. 3 generations after Muhammad died, the muslim started accepting and teaching the greek philosophy of the incorporeality of GOD. every other races hate the fact that only the black people will eventually inherit everything. it is this teaching that produces (incorporeality of GOD) all the things you see today likw wars, terrorism (it is in all the races and religion). what then is the religion of the Blackman? it is Islam, it had always has been for millions of years, not the islam of arab, But the Islam of the original man, aboriginal blackman or asiatic blackman. look at every black people on earth, we must believe in something, we are naturally religious because we are born righteous (sex is not a sin, sex by love and in marriage).
this is where people call me total crazy, and i really do not care, for i know it is the truth. and it is that a black muslims who is naturally righteous, if he should turn unto his own and father, like the prodigal son, he would take back the universe for himself. in order for this blackman not to take Islam back, they had to make a not ok islam look really bad that the blackman would run to all other religion other than Islam.
christianity was not made good, but the blackman has taken it and refaction it more better than the white people, except that they still don't understand its symbolism. the white twisted it pretty well before they brought it out by john wycliff in 1380.

the question is, if the blackman was the greatest, and still is, what then happened to him? what is happening to him?

Weah96:


Yea, you're right. LOL. Doesn't it ever come up though? You know, conversations about the scientific origins of man?
Do they teach those things in the Islamic schools? I'm asking because Arabs don't seem to have too high of an opinion for black people.
Allah aside, they are racist. You couldn't marry a girl from a poor Saudi family even if you were an Imam who resembles Denzel.

that won't happen, you will eventually come back to daddy. for sure, your children will be muslims. brother, i'm saying it for sure! without violence of any sort.

PastorKun:


Lolz, continue to delude yourself. I am almost certain that your children talkless of your grand children like most muslim children born in the last four decades would convert to christianity. it's not too late for you yourself to retrace your steps and leave that religion that was established and spread with violence to the one that was established based on God's love.

where did you read this from, The moon is a dead piece of earth rock. it is dead, why will ALLAH WANT TO BE GOD OF THAT, WHEN HE IS THE GOD OF THE UNIVERSE NOW AND FOREVER? so brother, proof your source! it is true that ALLAH took the earth from the moon, do you know how, why and when?

PastorKun:


Contrary to your assertions, I read from ancient Arabic sources that allah is the ancient moon god worshipped by abdallah(mohammed's father). Mohammed merely 'promoted' allah to the status of the creator by adopting jewish scripture, remixing it and substituting Yaweh for allah.

gatiano:
that won't happen, you will eventually come back to daddy. for sure, your children will be muslims. brother, i'm saying it for sure! without violence of any sort.

God forbid bad thing, my generation both born and unborn belong to Jesus. They would never leave light for darkness in Jesus name.

gatiano:
where did you read this from, The moon is a dead piece of earth rock. it is dead, why will ALLAH WANT TO BE GOD OF THAT, WHEN HE IS THE GOD OF THE UNIVERSE NOW AND FOREVER? so brother, proof your source! it is true that ALLAH took the earth from the moon, do you know how, why and when?

Why don't you prove that allah is a god, talkless of being God of the universe?

PastorKun:


God forbid bad thing, my generation both born and unborn belong to Jesus. They would never leave light for darkness in Jesus name.

Other than the fact that Muslims haven't killed every
non-Muslim under their domain, there is very little else
that they can point to as proof that theirs is a peaceful,
tolerant religion. Where Islam is dominant (as in the
Middle East and Pakistan) religious minorities suffer
brutal persecution with little resistance. Where Islam is
in the minority (as in Thailand, the Philippines and
Europe) there is the threat of violence if Muslim
demands are not met. Either situation seems to provide
a justification for religious terrorism, which is persistent
and endemic to Islamic fundamentalism.
The reasons are obvious and begin with the Quran. Few
verses of Islam's most sacred text can be construed to
fit the contemporary virtues of religious tolerance and
universal brotherhood. Those that do are earlier
"Meccan" verses which are obviously abrogated by later
ones. This is why Muslim apologists speak of the
"risks" of trying to interpret the Quran without their
"assistance" - even while claiming that it is a perfect
book.
Far from being mere history or theological construct, the
violent verses of the Quran have played a key role in
very real massacre and genocide. This includes the
brutal slaughter of tens of millions of Hindus for five
centuries beginning around 1000 AD with Mahmud of
Ghazni's bloody conquest. Both he and the later
Tamerlane (Islam's Genghis Khan) slaughtered an
untold number merely for defending their temples from
destruction. Buddhism was very nearly wiped off the
Indian subcontinent. Judaism and Christianity met the
same fate (albeit more slowly) in areas conquered by
Muslim armies, including the Middle East, North Africa
and parts of Europe, including today's Turkey.
Zoroastrianism, the ancient religion of a proud Persian
people is despised by Muslims and barely survives in
modern Iran.
So ingrained is violence in the religion that Islam has
never really stopped being at war, either with other
religions or with itself.
Muhammad was a military leader, laying siege to towns,
massacring the men, raping their women, enslaving their
children, and taking the property of others as his own.
On several occasions he rejected offers of surrender
from the besieged inhabitants and even butchered
captives . He actually inspired his followers to battle
when they did not feel it was right to fight, promising
them slaves and booty if they did and threatening them
with Hell if they did not. Muhammad allowed his men to
rape traumatized women captured in battle, usually on
the very day their husbands and family members were
slaughtered.
It is important to emphasize that, for the most part,
Muslim armies waged aggressive campaigns, and the
religion's most dramatic military conquests were made
by the actual companions of Muhammad in the decades
following his death. The early Islamic principle of
warfare was that the civilian population of a town was
to be destroyed (ie. men executed, women and children
taken as slaves) if they defended themselves. Although
modern apologists often claim that Muslims are only
supposed to attack in self-defense, this is an oxymoron
that is flatly contradicted by the accounts of Islamic
historians and others that go back to the time of
Muhammad.
Consider the example of the Qurayza Jews, who were
completely obliterated only five years after Muhammad
arrived in Medina. Their leader opted to stay neutral
when their town was besieged by a Meccan army that
was sent to take revenge for Muhammad's deadly
caravan raids. The tribe killed no one from either side
and even surrendered peacefully to Muhammad after the
Meccans had been turned back. Yet the prophet of
Islam had every male member of the Qurayza beheaded,
and every woman and child enslaved, even raping one of
the captives himself (what Muslim apologists might
refer to as "same day marriage".
One of Islam's most revered modern scholars, Sheikh
Yusuf al-Qaradawi, openly sanctions offensive Jihad: "In
the Jihad which you are seeking, you look for the enemy
and invade him. This type of Jihad takes place only
when the Islamic state is invading other [countries] in
order to spread the word of Islam and to remove
obstacles standing in its way." Elsewhere, he notes:
"Islam has the right to take the initiative…this is God’s
religion and it is for the whole world. It has the right to
destroy all obstacles in the form of institutions and
traditions … it attacks institutions and traditions to
release human beings from their poisonous influences,
which distort human nature and curtail human freedom.
Those who say that Islamic Jihad was merely for the
defense of the 'homeland of Islam' diminish the
greatness of the Islamic way of life."
The widely respected Dictionary of Islam defines Jihad
as "A religious war with those who are unbelievers in
the mission of Muhammad. It is an incumbent religious
duty, established in the Qur'an and in the Traditions as
a divine institution, and enjoined specially for the
purpose of advancing Islam and of repelling evil from
Muslims…[Quoting from the Hanafi school, Hedaya,
2:140, 141.], " The destruction of the sword is incurred
by infidels, although they be not the first aggressors ,
as appears from various passages in the traditions
which are generally received to this effect."
Dr. Salah al-Sawy, the chief member of the Assembly of
Muslim Jurists in America, stated in 2009 that " the
Islamic community does not possess the strength to
engage in offensive jihad at this time," tacitly affirming
the legitimacy of violence for the cause of Islamic rule -
bound only by the capacity for success. ( source)
Muhammad's failure to leave a clear line of succession
resulted in perpetual internal war following his death.
Those who knew him best first fought to keep remote
tribes from leaving Islam and reverting to their preferred
religion (the Ridda or 'Apostasy wars'). Then, within the
closer community, early Meccan converts battled later
ones. Hostility developed between those immigrants
who had traveled with Muhammad to Mecca and the
Ansar at Medina who had helped them settle in. Finally
there was a violent struggle within Muhammad's own
family between his favorite wife and favorite daughter -
a jagged schism that has left Shias and Sunnis at each
others' throats to this day.
The strangest and most untrue thing that can be said
about Islam is that it is a Religion of Peace. If every
standard by which the West is judged and condemned
(slavery, imperialism, intolerance, misogyny, sexual
repression, warfare...) were applied equally to Islam, the
verdict would be devastating. Islam never gives up what
it conquers, be it religion, culture, language or life.
Neither does it make apologies or any real effort at
moral progress. It is the least open to dialogue and the
most self-absorbed. It is convinced of its own
perfection, yet brutally shuns self-examination and
represses criticism.
This is what makes the Quran's verses of violence so
dangerous. They are given the weight of divine
command. While Muslim terrorists take them as literally
as anything else in their holy book, and understand that
Islam is incomplete without Jihad, moderates offer little
to contradict them - outside of opinion. Indeed, what do
they have? Speaking of peace and love may win over
the ignorant, but when every twelfth verse of Islam's
holiest book either speaks to Allah's hatred for non-
Muslims or calls for their death, forced conversion, or
subjugation, it's little wonder that sympathy for
terrorism runs as deeply as it does in the broader
community - even if most Muslims personally prefer not
to interpret their religion in this way.
Although scholars like Ibn Khaldun, one of Islam's most
respected philosophers, understood that "the holy war is
a religious duty, because of the universalism of the
Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert
everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force",
many other Muslims are either unaware or willfully
ignorant of the Quran's near absence of verses that
preach universal non-violence. Their understanding of
Islam comes from what they are taught by others. In
the West, it is typical for believers to think that their
religion must be like Christianity - preaching the New
Testament virtues of peace, love, and tolerance -
because Muslims are taught that Islam is supposed to
be superior in every way. They are somewhat surprised
and embarrassed to learn that the evidence of the
Quran and the bloody history of Islam are very much in
contradiction to this.
Others simply accept the violence. In 1991, a Palestinian
couple in America was convicted of stabbing their
daughter to death for being too Westernized. A family
friend came to their defense, excoriating the jury for not
understanding the "culture", claiming that the father
was merely following "the religion" and saying that the
couple had to "discipline their daughter or lose
respect." ( source ). In 2011, unrepentant Palestinian
terrorists, responsible for the brutal murders of civilians,
women and children explicitly in the name of Allah were
treated to a luxurious "holy pilgrimage" to Mecca by the
Saudi king - without a single Muslim voice raised in
protest.
For their part, Western liberals would do well not to
sacrifice critical thinking to the god of political
correctness, or look for reasons to bring other religion
down to the level of Islam merely to avoid the existential
truth that this it is both different and dangerous.
There are just too many Muslims who take the Quran
literally... and too many others who couldn't care less
about the violence done in the name of Islam

Jesus belonged to ALLAH. without ALLAH, there is no Jesus. without ALLAH, you would have no air to breath. your children, grandchildren will be Muslims. except if ALLAH wills it that you die eternally. tell me what does living eternally means?

PastorKun:


God forbid bad thing, my generation both born and unborn belong to Jesus. They would never leave light for darkness in Jesus name.

gatiano:
Jesus belonged to ALLAH. without ALLAH, there is no Jesus. without ALLAH, you would have no air to breath. your children, grandchildren will be Muslims. except if ALLAH wills it that you die eternally. tell me what does living eternally means?

Stop talking rubbish, Jesus does not even know or recognise allah. Allah is mohammed's idea.