Alexis86:
i believe that there should be no sentimental judgment when it comes to issues that deals with religion and our general lives.
consider the word WORSHIP, we know that we were created to worship God, and beyond any doubt, you proved that we were created to replenish this earth, i don't know

paxonel:

actually, a state of worship (also known as a state of grace ) allows us the convenience to think, and work towards replenishing this earth.

Alexis86:

is it the roman Catholic state of grace you are talking about? you know, the general idea among the protestants is that, worship is the same thing as going to church, close your eyes, raise your holy hands and sing to God

paxonel:

it's not the roman catholic state of grace i am talking about.
a state of grace is, when you believe in Jesus and you are saved
everybody in Christianity are already in that state of grace (Catholics or protestants),just because we believe only.
at this point, you are already in the worship state or worship mode.
you don't need to go to church to raise holy hands

Alexis86:

interesting,
i believe there should be scriptures that point to all these, because, personally, i prefer this state of freedom

paxonel:

you know,the fire on the ulter in the old covenant symbolizes worship and this fire was commanded that it should be burnt without quenching
Leviticus 6:13 The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out.
this was a shadow of the true worship that is to come in the new convent
before the manifestion of the true worshipers who are Christians, Jesus, who the true worship is to be towards God came in the flesh and encountered a Samaritan woman, the woman told him in
John 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
remember, the temple at Jerusalem was the place of worship for the Jews.
then Jesus told her in
John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
meaning, mountain or temple building and all the ordinances in them are vanity,they will not be needed again to worship God when the time comes
and that time has come, that time is now
so, there is no justification for Christians going to church to worship God, church is a mere building,because the building and everything inside and all its ordinances are all vanity before God, they will collapse someday ,
But the building may be useful atleast to house belivers when they gather
gathering is important but it is not mandatory,anybody can choose not to gather, it's not by force.
when the disciples began to admire temple building this is what he told them
Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
meaning, it will collapse one day, that implies, we don't need building and it ordinances to worship God
so, what does it mean to worship God in spirit and in truth?
it simply means to believe in Christ and to be in a state of grace.
by believing,, you are already an epitome of worship before God, when God looks at you he sees unquenchable fire burning.
God is everywhere at the same magnitude of his presence,,inside church, in your office, in your toilet, so there is no hiding place.
every micro seconds of our lives is worship, we don't have any worship time
nothing like sabath day
nothing like Sunday Sunday church church
all days are equal before God.
Nigerians know this truth, But it baffles me the way they have become religious people, church this, church that.
they don't have any thing to show for it but corruption.
obviously, God is not happy with such religious nations

Iceflox:

you are very correct!, but how does this help us to replenish the earth?

paxonel:

you know,the fire on the ulter in the old covenant symbolizes worship and this fire was commanded that it should be burnt without quenching
Leviticus 6:13 The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out.
this was a shadow of the true worship that is to come in the new convent
before the manifestion of the true worshipers who are Christians, Jesus, who the true worship is to be towards God came in the flesh and encountered a Samaritan woman, the woman told him in
John 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
remember, the temple at Jerusalem was the place of worship for the Jews.
then Jesus told her in
John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
meaning, mountain or temple building and all the ordinances in them are vanity,they will not be needed again to worship God when the time comes
and that time has come, that time is now
so, there is no justification for Christians going to church to worship God, church is a mere building,because the building and everything inside and all its ordinances are all vanity before God, they will collapse someday ,
But the building may be useful atleast to house belivers when they gather
gathering is important but it is not mandatory,anybody can choose not to gather, it's not by force.
when the disciples began to admire temple building this is what he told them
Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
meaning, it will collapse one day, that implies, we don't need building and it ordinances to worship God
so, what does it mean to worship God in spirit and in truth?
it simply means to believe in Christ and to be in a state of grace.
by believing,, you are already an epitome of worship before God, when God looks at you he sees unquenchable fire burning.
God is everywhere at the same magnitude of his presence,,inside church, in your office, in your toilet, so there is no hiding place.
every micro seconds of our lives is worship, we don't have any worship time
nothing like sabath day
nothing like Sunday Sunday church church
all days are equal before God.
Nigerians know this truth, But it baffles me the way they have become religious people, church this, church that.
they don't have any thing to show for it but corruption.
obviously, God is not happy with such religious nations

Alexis86:


hmmm! thanks a lot,
you know, at a time i had considered quitting Christianity because i began to see no sense in religion. thank God there are people like you who had understanding of the religion, i am beginning to see the sense in Christianity. i always know that any religion or thoughts which is not geared towards intellectual development of it's adherents and consequently, towards the development of the nation,is not worth to be practiced.
you have proved to me that, the reason why athiests will remain athiests is because they are yet to hear the other side of Christianity because Nigerian Christians and pastors could not understand and explain.
it's obvious that, Nigerians in general are practising the Christianity blindly.
they turn it into a hunt for social and financial gratification
this conversation has greatly encouraged me to hold firmly to my christian faith, honestly, i intended to quit
thanks

Alexis86:


hmmm! thanks a lot,
you know, at a time i had considered quitting Christianity because i began to see no sense in religion. thank God there are people like you who had understanding of the religion, i am beginning to see the sense in Christianity. i always know that any religion or thoughts which is not geared towards intellectual development of it's adherents and consequently, towards the development of the nation,is not worth to be practiced.
you have proved to me that, the reason why athiests will remain athiests is because they are yet to hear the other side of Christianity because Nigerian Christians and pastors could not understand and explain.
it's obvious that, Nigerians in general are practising the Christianity blindly.
they turn it into a hunt for social and financial gratification
this conversation has greatly encouraged me to hold firmly to my christian faith, honestly, i intended to quit
thanks

Iceflox:

I have begin to sense that, it is either you are a new convert or you are not a Christian at all. if you have been practising your religion blindly, not everybody do. How can you say Nigerian pastors can not understand and explain bible? Do you know what they have studied before they come to that level of pastoring churches?

Alexis86:

I was born and brought up a Christian.
let me ask you a question, what is the kingdom of God?

paxonel:

ahaha ahhaa,! he will not be able to answer it, don't bother

Alexis86:

I was born and brought up a Christian.
let me ask you a question, what is the kingdom of God?

Iceflox:

what has this question got to do with pastors not understanding bible?

Alexis86:

the truth is beyond religious sentiment, you don't know what the kingdom of God is, because the very pastors you seek to protect, didn't tell you what it is

Alexis86:

the truth is beyond religious sentiment, you don't know what the kingdom of God is, because the very pastors you seek to protect, didn't tell you what it is

Iceflox:

i agree with you that the kingdom of God on earth is the church, But one thing you should know is that, heaven is real, and that heaven is not on earth. it is in the spiritual realm.
Jesus says my kingdom is not of this world

Iceflox:

i agree with you that the kingdom of God on earth is the church, But one thing you should know is that, heaven is real, and that heaven is not on earth. it is in the spiritual realm.
Jesus says my kingdom is not of this world

paxonel:

just look at it this way,
the church is the prospect of mankind back to eternal life that was once lost at the garden of eden as a result of sin .
in otherwords, there is no other heaven for mankind but the church on earth

Alexis86:

that means, there is no rapture?