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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:29pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
patches689: Helicopter is four times faster than Guided bombs. Fool NATO and other military world power countries, including Poland, India and Russia the mighty, all still use Shilka today 2014. Anything South Africa does not have is 'Not Good' including Satellites and amphibious armoured vehicles. Thou art a mumu . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:36pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
patches689: I never said I am a soldier, I always say I am a civilian. I just proved to you that in America, any BSc holder can be a soldier, even if he has BSc Agriculture. Yes PMC wear uniform in red zones and duty zones, they are like security guards in military zone or like mercenaries. I am not an accountant in my present PMC job, I am in research team for field operations. You think PMCs go to war wearing suit and tie, or T-shirt and boxer shorts ? Post ATR-42 Radar range from your own source and I will post my handgun and camo. Not only you can make demands, I can too, so I am making my own demand. Simple. PHOTO: PMC WITH UNIFORM IN IRAQ, INCLUDING CAMO
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:48pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
patches689: Manufacturer specs. Gripen 2 seater is trainer version, a 12 year old kid knows that. It does nothing more than the 1 seater except extra seat for student-instructor training. I too can start story here that F-7 jet 2 seater version is a miraculous ISTAR version. Get it? 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 9:02pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
patches689: Yes brother, we all judge this South African army, thanks bro . 2 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 9:35pm On Nov 29, 2014 |
@overhypedsteve,thatssounds quite interesting,i have personnally read quite a number of books on world politics and its impact on new world,i've read works on: * rise and fall of the islamic emirates * the rise,fall and rise again of china * america's foreign policy and its impact on world geopolitics * the rise of europe * america and the new world order * forces of imperialism:the african dilemma * clash of civilization: the fall of the soviet . i'm an avid reader of historical,political intricacies of our world.i've always loved the political aspects and historical motivations of the great wars,the kingdoms that rose and fell throughout the centuries.it would be interesting if you find time to post those interesting articles once in a while.i read one publication written by PW Botha about the mentality and socio-economic hierachy of the black race,its a very sad speech,botha was the man who made me realize that the white man{west} was a great monster,botha spoke like a monster,you could look it up |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by overhypedsteve(m): 4:00am On Nov 30, 2014 |
EVarn:lol. make henry catch u derailing first. I ll create a new thread for this sort of discussions soon. I ve a certain book i ll recommend for you that will give you a practical idea about what the nigerian foreign policy looked like during the apartheid and Angola crisis and how America due to its mishandling of the Angola crisis gave Nigeria the opportunity to play in the center place. This were the exact words of major General Joseph Garba. " Nigeria should be grateful to the united states. Not in the wat Americans expect or particularly like; not in any of the ways nigerians would be quick to rightly protest. But in a way unexpected, unpredictable, and surely regretted by some Americans, including the administration of Gerald ford . For it was the united states that, in its misunderstanding and mishandling of the crisis of the imminent Angola independence, handed Nigeria the foreign policy issue that wouldn catapult her to the center stage and not just Africa's stage...producing for Angola and Africa precisely the government that Americans opposed." a meeting was held at Luanda, Angola between a nigerian delegation led by lt.-colonel General olusegun obasanjo and an Angolan side by president Aghostino Neto on Thursday,5 February,1976 excerpts from an issue of common interest. A discussion between the Angolan defence minister and the Nigerian chief of staff supreme headquaters (OBJ) chief of staff as for the request for the Nigerian troops, we are closely watching the situation. We believe that in whatever we do, we should perform very well in areas we take on. Our assessment is that, the battle for the liberation of Angola, it will be fought on (1) the battle ground, (2) the diplomatic front and (3) the political side to it , to be fought outside and an Economic aspect to it. We believe that the area which we would handle is the diplomatic side, especially in Africa. We will leave no stone unturned. Unless it is absolutely necessary, nigerian troops for combat should be kept in strategic reserve. Once we re involved it will reduce our effectiveness in the diplomatic arena. Minister of defence( Angolan. Written as interpreted by the interpreter)- i want clarifications concerning the transportation of the MiGs. chief of staff supreme headquaters (OBJ): they have to be flown in by our pilots if yours are engaged in other things. I can even go today with your pilots if they are ready to fly them in. minister of defence (angola)as regards the C130 aircraft, i want to know whether you looked for the sales of new ones or the used ones. Chief of staff (OBJ) i looked into the purchase of new ones and if the Americans had any inkling that they were coming here they would stop the sale but if you want us to look into second handed ones we will do so. minister of defence( Angola) this matter is extremely urgent to us. It is not only militarily but also for the question of supply which has to be done by air... Nigeria's efforts in the liberation of Angola is one of the most important and significant achievements of nigerians foreign policy in the African continent. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 8:10am On Nov 30, 2014 |
EVarn:Numbers and Names please. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 8:13am On Nov 30, 2014 |
agaugust:Tell us about the radar on Shilka then. Again explain to us the process of shooting down a guided bomb. From detection too shoot down. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 8:20am On Nov 30, 2014 |
agaugust:It isn't a trainer version. The pilot or navigator in the back seat can control stand-off weapons, with data link control UAV(s) or UCAV(s). He can also control or monitor the aircraft's advanced systems from sensors to EW equipment. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 8:27am On Nov 30, 2014 |
agaugust:Empty and shallow. 1. Cause he might be a section commander yelling commands to his troops. 2. He might be getting instructions. He carries more ammo than 3 Nigerian soldiers. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 8:33am On Nov 30, 2014 |
MikeCZAR:what name and number are you asking for again? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 8:36am On Nov 30, 2014 |
EVarn:Numbers and Names. Answer my questions with specific numbers and names. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 8:36am On Nov 30, 2014 |
@overhypedsteve,thats good.did you study political science or foreign relations?.whats the name of the book? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 8:41am On Nov 30, 2014 |
MikeCZAR:dont be ridiculous!,how is anybody supposed to know how many times the NA rotate troops{especially in this time of war},or measure the trainining system of an army,on what scale? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by overhypedsteve(m): 8:59am On Nov 30, 2014 |
EVarn:i ve recommended that book several times here. "Diplomatic soldiering" written by the late General Joseph Garba. Nigeria's first soldier diplomat to rise to the position of president UN security council. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 9:09am On Nov 30, 2014 |
agaugust: first, i called you an ape because you are behaving like one, not because you are black. second, i didnt say the grip was the only recce platform deployed third, f-7 is no where near the same leauge - thats why your airforce needs to buy scorpion jets |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 9:14am On Nov 30, 2014 |
agaugust: - if you dont need CRAM to sh00t down missiles, why then was CRAM invented specifically to shoot down missiles? - Guided bombs including the GBU family can travel at speeds up to mach 1,2 (i am busy working out the terminal velocity for the GBU-12 as we speak) - Shilka is not accurate enough to engage such a small target or pic it up on Radar, that is why Russia developed the Pantsyr system - SANDF just had its budget increased by a couple of billion 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 9:19am On Nov 30, 2014 |
agaugust: Nope, SEAD is used against legitimate anti-air defences, like SAM's Shilka and AAA are JDAM food Auguggugug, again, you speak of science but you fail to understand that when a plane drops a bomb at mach 1,2 the bomb is moving at mach 1,2... there is this thing called inertia, you should learn about it. Dont talk to us about science when you still try to tell us that air at high altitude is more dense than at low altitude, clown |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 9:23am On Nov 30, 2014 |
agaugust: SPAAG is an obsolete concept, proven by the fact that the US, UK, France and Germany all abandoned it in the 1960's You have yet to show us any proof that a JDAM falls at only 85km/h.... and explain how a bomb being dropped at mach 1,2 is immune to the forces of inertia and somehow slows down from 1 481.76km/h to 85km/h while falling from 30 000ft This is gunna be good |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 9:26am On Nov 30, 2014 |
agaugust: According to the manufacturer, its 120nm which is around 220km range http://www.aleniana.com/documents/8005904/17761599/factsheet_ATR_42_MP.pdf Only the Italian ATR-42 has a 330km radar range - because it is different to other ATR's http://www.casr.ca/id-fwsar-italy-2.htm Feel free to post your "uniform" and "gun" 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 9:27am On Nov 30, 2014 |
agaugust: 0/10, not even worth responding to |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 10:11am On Nov 30, 2014 |
agaugust: Your analysis from that pic can clearly be seen as a proof of someone who knows nothing about military. A soldier cannot as always remain glued towards the target without taking a quick snap to the sides in order to inspect the surroundings. This happens particularly to section leaders who give orders and consistently have to take track of every soldier on her or his section. Every soldier in turn will also have to take quick snap to ensure that he is still on the right track of advance with fellow soldiers on a battalion attack. How will you be able to take track of fellow soldiers when you don't know your position in relation to other soldiers at any point in time? losing a track in war zone happens to soldiers who remain glued to the target without looking at the line of attack/defence. For instance, If you belong to company Alpha, it is important to remain on track with that company when it is the turn of another company (Bravo) to attack. When the turn comes to another company, say Charlie, it is important to look around patiently awaiting for your turn of advancing offensive to come. A soldier is not a horse pulling the cart, he has to always snap to the sides without losing focus to ensure safety of other comrades. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 11:22am On Nov 30, 2014 |
overhypedsteve:i'll check it out one of these days. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:12pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
MikeCZAR: Show us photo of the fake imaginary 'advanced system sensors and EW equipment' inside the back trainers seat of the 2 seater Gripen Then if 2 seater Gripen trainer version is the fake ISTAR version, it means all the real combat Gripen single seaters are NOT capable of ISTAR. Anyway, you are telling lies, so..... Show us photo of your fake imaginary 'advanced system sensors-EW equipment' inside the back trainers seat of 2 seater Gripen . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:03pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
agaugust:Show us a picture of your uniform and gun first |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 6:05pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
agaugust:No one said the Gripen D is a ISTAR version of the jet. The Gripen is a multi-role or should I say swing-role jet. It can perform a wide range of missions, from Close air combat, counter air, combat air patrol, interdiction to interception t mention a few. I'll post a pictures of both the Litening III pod and the DJRP. In the meantime explain to us, what is ISTAR? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 6:06pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
patches689: Out ranged by the SAAF Super Lynx helicopter. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 6:12pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
EVarn:So how are going to make claims if you don't know the real numbers and names? Meaning that was nothing but your opinion, which should be disregarded in this debate. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 6:48pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
MikeCZAR:M.U.M.U ! ! those werent just my opinions,they are facts,that it isnt specific doesnt make its false.even the chief of army staff{COAS} would be hard pressed to know how many times he had ordered tactical rotation of troops{until he checks the archives},and as it is,we arent privy to military documents,are we?,incase you have forgotten,we are fighting a war,any field commander could have issued an EFO{Emergency Field Order}. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Troop101: 8:54pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
EVarn 3 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Troop101: 9:01pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 9:05pm On Nov 30, 2014 |
Troop101:^^and what's that supposed to mean? |
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