Lilimax:
I can't understand all these fuss and noise about tithing?
One thing is sure; Pay your tithe so that things will not be tight for you
Shalom!

Is that the new slogan by pastors?
My dear read the scriptures
How can anyone tell me tithe is being given to Christ when we have no record of the disciples or thousands who came to listen to Christ give tithes to him?
How did the people not give tithes physically to The Lord Jesus in person and Church history gave no record of tithes to anyone until sometime in the 19th century when the traditional churches introduced tithing and made it mandatory?
Some even made it a condition for membership.
Let us stop all these deceptions
I would rather my pastor tells me he is in dire straits and needs more money to run the ministry than what we are contributing than attempt to scare me with a mandatory percent of my income.
That is unscriptural

babyosisi:


I don't intend to win an argument when scripture is concerned
The lessons of the Bible come by revelation as the word of God comes alive as Rhema
It is not revealed by arguments


Under the law tithes were given to the Levites who in turn gave a tenth of what they received to the priests
The Levites received tithes because they had no other inheritance and no other means of livelihood
It was not voluntary,it was the law
There are no Levites today.

Secondly when a Jesus talked about tithes meh was addressing the Pharisees,Sadducees,hypocrites who think they can be saved by their religiosity.I am neither a Pharisee nor a Sadducee so I am not obligated by the laws they kept.

Thirdly tithes were instituted for Jews,Gentiles were not to pay tithes

Fourthly tithes were from the increase of the land or increase of they field.craftsmen and artisans didn't pay tithes

Filthy I never read of disciples paying tithes to Christ who walked with them daily,Jesus in all his preaching talked about giving and given to the poor,Paul preached about giving to the saints and to the work of God Tithing was never encouraged by this new dispensation.

The Bible says instead that if I decide to keep the law I am guilty of them all
Tithing is law,I am not required to keep the law.

Sixthly We have one record where Abraham gave a tenth to Melchizedek,not of his flock or the fruit of his garden but of the spoils of war.
I haven't waged any wars or plundered anybody .

I could go on and on
Agh one interested should pick up their BIble and study every verse on tithes and tithing.
Christians are not bound by it

u shud b more concerned about living in error thinkg ur livng in truth.
The substance tithed is irrelevant.
Jacob tithed, abraham tithed was abraham under the law?
No. The law was given to Moses not Abraham.
That destroys so many arguments if you still insist so you're deliberately choosing deception.
Abraham,is the Father of faith,an exampler to us all,
his tithing was done in faith.

Now, under the law the practice of tithing was explicitly COMMANDED but it didnt ORIGINATE with the law.

Lastly, the book of Hebrews 7 states specifically tht one of Jesus present ministry is to RECEIVE the tithe.

Y is this so if tithing is done away with?
The other arguments are simply smoke screens.

Abraham,didnt tithe but in his day to day life he didnt meet any High priest, he related directly with God. But wen he met one at salem he handed tithe in faith and the High priest Blessed him.

Tithing invites the blessing upon the tither, because of this blessing the Devourer and waster is rebuked. So tithing, is for the benefit of the tither not for their defraudment.

In a deeper level, tithng is a principle of invitation of God into one's affairs.
Abraham, dedicated Isaac to God by an attempted act of sacrifice. Abraham was human.
That action ,legally invited God into human affairs. If abraham refused to give his only begotten Son, God wud hav had no legal right to give Jesus. Just think of it.
Abraham "tithed" Isaac, though he didnt have ten Children.
Wen cities were captured by isreal, theyd dedicate one to God in some cases by either completely razing it down or placing its precious vessels in The temple.
After d dedication, isreal could then take and plunder the rest of the city for themselves.
Wen God created d world He reserved a day for Himself.
Wen God created the trees in Eden,He reserved one for Himself.
Wen God created the nations He reserved isreal for Himself.
The thing dedicated for God is used only for God's work.
E.g, the sabbath day was to b used for none secular work.
Tithing operates under similar principle. It's solely for God's work.
It is God's stake in ones finances and gives God legal grounds to prevent the devourer accessing ones finances. Tithing isnt sowing. Sowing is plantg seeds and you reap proportionally to ur sowing but while the seeds are growing they are open to d devourer waster . Tithng invites God in to sanctify d rest.

asalimpo:


u shud b more concerned about living in error thinkg ur livng in truth.
The substance tithed is irrelevant.
Jacob tithed, abraham tithed was abraham under the law?
No. The law was given to Moses not Abraham.
That destroys so many arguments if you still insist so you're deliberately choosing deception.
Abraham,is the Father of faith,an exampler to us all,
his tithing was done in faith.

Now, under the law the practice of tithing was explicitly COMMANDED but it didnt ORIGINATE with the law.

Lastly, the book of Hebrews 7 states specifically tht one of Jesus present ministry is to RECEIVE the tithe.

Y is this so if tithing is done away with?
The other arguments are simply smoke screens.

Abraham,didnt tithe but in his day to day life he didnt meet any High priest, he related directly with God. But wen he met one at salem he handed tithe in faith and the High priest Blessed him.

Tithing invites the blessing upon the tither, because of this blessing the Devourer and waster is rebuked. So tithing, is for the benefit of the tither not for their defraudment.

In a deeper level, tithng is a principle of invitation of God into one's affairs.
Abraham, dedicated Isaac to God by an attempted act of sacrifice. Abraham was human.
That action ,legally invited God into human affairs. If abraham refused to give his only begotten Son, God wud hav had no legal right to give Jesus. Just think of it.
Abraham "tithed" Isaac, though he didnt have ten Children.
Wen cities were captured by isreal, theyd dedicate one to God in some cases by either completely razing it down or placing its precious vessels in The temple.
After d dedication, isreal could then take and plunder the rest of the city for themselves.
Wen God created d world He reserved a day for Himself.
Wen God created the trees in Eden,He reserved one for Himself.
Wen God created the nations He reserved isreal for Himself.
The thing dedicated for God is used only for God's work.
E.g, the sabbath day was to b used for none secular work.
Tithing operates under similar principle. It's solely for God's work.
It is God's stake in ones finances and gives God legal grounds to prevent the devourer accessing ones finances. Tithing isnt sowing. Sowing is plantg seeds and you reap proportionally to ur sowing but while the seeds are growing they are open to d devourer waster . Tithng invites God in to sanctify d rest.

I have one word for you. Thief.

asalimpo:


u shud b more concerned about living in error thinkg ur livng in truth.
The substance tithed is irrelevant.
Jacob tithed, abraham tithed was abraham under the law?
No. The law was given to Moses not Abraham.
That destroys so many arguments if you still insist so you're deliberately choosing deception.
Abraham,is the Father of faith,an exampler to us all,
his tithing was done in faith.

Now, under the law the practice of tithing was explicitly COMMANDED but it didnt ORIGINATE with the law.

Lastly, the book of Hebrews 7 states specifically tht one of Jesus present ministry is to RECEIVE the tithe.

Y is this so if tithing is done away with?
The other arguments are simply smoke screens.

Abraham,didnt tithe but in his day to day life he didnt meet any High priest, he related directly with God. But wen he met one at salem he handed tithe in faith and the High priest Blessed him.

Tithing invites the blessing upon the tither, because of this blessing the Devourer and waster is rebuked. So tithing, is for the benefit of the tither not for their defraudment.

In a deeper level, tithng is a principle of invitation of God into one's affairs.
Abraham, dedicated Isaac to God by an attempted act of sacrifice. Abraham was human.
That action ,legally invited God into human affairs. If abraham refused to give his only begotten Son, God wud hav had no legal right to give Jesus. Just think of it.
Abraham "tithed" Isaac, though he didnt have ten Children.
Wen cities were captured by isreal, theyd dedicate one to God in some cases by either completely razing it down or placing its precious vessels in The temple.
After d dedication, isreal could then take and plunder the rest of the city for themselves.
Wen God created d world He reserved a day for Himself.
Wen God created the trees in Eden,He reserved one for Himself.
Wen God created the nations He reserved isreal for Himself.
The thing dedicated for God is used only for God's work.
E.g, the sabbath day was to b used for none secular work.
Tithing operates under similar principle. It's solely for God's work.
It is God's stake in ones finances and gives God legal grounds to prevent the devourer accessing ones finances. Tithing isnt sowing. Sowing is plantg seeds and you reap proportionally to ur sowing but while the seeds are growing they are open to d devourer waster . Tithng invites God in to sanctify d rest.

No need for long talks
Please show us where Abraham tithed,let us read that scripture
Let us take it one step at a time instead of lumping issues and confusing readers

In a deeper level, tithng is a principle of invitation of God into one's affairs.

This is unscriptural,for the benefit of baby Christians reading this
You invite God into your affairs by surrendering your heart to him and letting him have his way and making him Lord and master and savior
Not by tithing
Stop teaching what the Bible doesn't teach .

Op change the topic to tithe collecting pastors are motivated by greed while tithe paying members are motivated by greed and ignorance.

There are Christians who tithe without having any problems doing so.
No verse in the Bible condemns anyone for tithing.
Tithing in itself as a form of giving is not condemned anywhere in the Bible.

Those who want to express their giving in the form of tithes TODAY are absolutely free to do so.









Although all Christians are priests and disciples of the Lord, the NT shows that there are those who are placed in authority as far as SERVICE is concerned. The idea that "no one of us is higher than another" is true only in the sense of salvation; but it is absolutely false in terms of SERVICE.

Paul declares in 1 Corinthians 12:28 (KJV) that "God hath set some in the church, FIRST apostles, SECONDARILY prophets, THIRDLY teachers, AFTER THAT miracles, THEN gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues." This quite clearly demonstrates that some in the Church are higher than others according to responsibility in service.

This is why the same Paul in 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 uses the Law of Moses as his basis for Biblical giving in support of those who preach the Gospel -

[list]Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.[/list]

In his argument in 1 Corinthians 9:13, Paul does not mention any of the types of offerings for supporting the priests. However, among the several ways in which ministers of the Temple and the Altar receive their sustenance in the OT, Numbers 18 outlines the tithes under the Levitical system. Paul draws from such passages in the Law of Moses to conclude that "In the same way" the Lord has ordained giving for ministers in the NT.

It is particularly interesting that verse 14 says this NT Christian giving should be "In the same way" (KJV) as those in the Law of Moses gave to ministers of the OT. The Amplified Bible renders it as "On the same principle". There is no verse that condemns tithing in itself anywhere in the NT, or even in the OT. If God so wanted badly to end tithing in all its forms anywhere in the NT, there definitely would have been clear condemnation of tithing in the teaching of the apostles.

Christians in the NT can draw guidelines from the OT Scriptures for practical giving today. That does not mean we therefore come under the operation of the old covenant of Judaism - no. Rather, in the same way as the apostle Paul drew largely from the Levitical system in the Law of Moses to teach about Christian giving for ministers of the Gospel, so it is in the same manner that many Christians express their giving in the form of tithes in their churches.

Bidam:
There are Christians who tithe without having any problems doing so.
No verse in the Bible condemns anyone for tithing.
Tithing in itself as a form of giving is not condemned anywhere in the Bible.

Those who want to express their giving in the form of tithes TODAY are absolutely free to do so.









Although all Christians are priests and disciples of the Lord, the NT shows that there are those who are placed in authority as far as SERVICE is concerned. The idea that "no one of us is higher than another" is true only in the sense of salvation; but it is absolutely false in terms of SERVICE.

Paul declares in 1 Corinthians 12:28 (KJV) that "God hath set some in the church, FIRST apostles, SECONDARILY prophets, THIRDLY teachers, AFTER THAT miracles, THEN gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues." This quite clearly demonstrates that some in the Church are higher than others according to responsibility in service.

This is why the same Paul in 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 uses the Law of Moses as his basis for Biblical giving in support of those who preach the Gospel -

[list]Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.[/list]

In his argument in 1 Corinthians 9:13, Paul does not mention any of the types of offerings for supporting the priests. However, among the several ways in which ministers of the Temple and the Altar receive their sustenance in the OT, Numbers 18 outlines the tithes under the Levitical system. Paul draws from such passages in the Law of Moses to conclude that "In the same way" the Lord has ordained giving for ministers in the NT.

It is particularly interesting that verse 14 says this NT Christian giving should be "In the same way" (KJV) as those in the Law of Moses gave to ministers of the OT. The Amplified Bible renders it as "On the same principle". There is no verse that condemns tithing in itself anywhere in the NT, or even in the OT. If God so wanted badly to end tithing in all its forms anywhere in the NT, there definitely would have been clear condemnation of tithing in the teaching of the apostles.

Christians in the NT can draw guidelines from the OT Scriptures for practical giving today. That does not mean we therefore come under the operation of the old covenant of Judaism - no. Rather, in the same way as the apostle Paul drew largely from the Levitical system in the Law of Moses to teach about Christian giving for ministers of the Gospel, so it is in the same manner that many Christians express their giving in the form of tithes in their churches.

I don't agree with you on the different offices and hierarchy,I believe firstly and secondly refers to numbering not hierarchy in office.
It is the same Spirit operating under different offices,that is another thread altogether
I will never condemn anyone who feels an obligation to tithe,let them do so
I am not obligated to and will not force that on anyone either
The problem with those who preach this is the additional lies and manipulations about being cursed when they don't tithe
Some go as far as telling people the tithe is off their gross and not net income
Read the scriptures,there are at least three types of tithes written in the BIble
How did the modern church pick just one,the one that benefits the pastors and leave out the others?
Is that not deception?

Apostle Paul travelled widely preaching
Did we read anywhere that tithes were paid to CHrist through him?
No
Not a single place instead we read of offering being gathered for the brethren,food being distributed to the saints equitably
Even when Ananias and Saphira were killed it wasn't because they failed to tithe or give but because they lied to the Holy Spirit.

If God tells me today to give 10,30 or 50% of my income to a certain cause or ministry or brother in need and I refuse to,I have sinned against the Holy Spirit.my tithes will not rescue me from the sin of disobedience.
Using legalism as an excuse not to be sensitive to the spirit is sinful.
The a bible says those who are led by the spirit are the sons of God not those who tithe
I prefer to be led by His spirit

babyosisi:


Is that the new slogan by pastors?
My dear read the scriptures
How can anyone tell me tithe is being given to Christ when we have no record of the disciples or thousands who came to listen to Christ give tithes to him?
How did the people not give tithes physically to The Lord Jesus in person and Church history gave no record of tithes to anyone until sometime in the 19th century when the traditional churches introduced tithing and made it mandatory?
Some even made it a condition for membership.
Let us stop all these deceptions
I would rather my pastor tells me he is in dire straits and needs more money to run the ministry than what we are contributing than attempt to scare me with a mandatory percent of my income.
That is unscriptural

i see here tht most church people hav very lil education on d foundations of their faith.
How would Jesus receive tithe wen on earth He was operating as a Sustitute?
Were people praying in Jesus Name?
After His resurrection , He ascended up to Heaven and operates as a Mediator of the new covenant and our Great High Priest.
Abraham tithed to a High Priest, the jews tithed to a human mortal priest but the New Testament believer tithes to his Great High Priest , Jesus Christ!
Again, Hebrews 7 says this.

v8: in the one case the tithe is collected by people who die (who are this people? The levites . A tribe of priests) ; but in the other case by him who is declared to be living (who is this One declared to living? Jesus Christ. Jesus collects tithe today!)

asalimpo:


i see here tht most church people hav very lil education on d foundations of their faith.
How would Jesus receive tithe wen on earth He was operating as a Sustitute?
Were people praying in Jesus Name?
After His resurrection , He ascended up to Heaven and operates as a Mediator of the new covenant and our Great High Priest.
Abraham tithed to a High Priest, the jews tithed to a human mortal priest but the New Testament believer tithes to his Great High Priest , Jesus Christ!
Again, Hebrews 7 says this.

v8: in the one case the tithe is collected by people who die (who are this people? The levites . A tribe of priests) ; but in the other case by him who is declared to be living (who is this One declared to living? Jesus Christ. Jesus collects tithe today!)

Apostle Paul preached widely after the death and ascension of Christ please show us where tithes were brought to him
Just one verse please

babyosisi:



No need for long talks
Please show us where Abraham tithed,let us read that scripture
Let us take it one step at a time instead of lumping issues and confusing readers


This is unscriptural,for the benefit of baby Christians reading this
You invite God into your affairs by surrendering your heart to him and letting him have his way and making him Lord and master and savior
Not by tithing
Stop teaching what the Bible doesn't teach .

would b eligible to invite God into your affairs if you arent already a member of his kingdom?
Stop being shallow and naive.
I said "at a deeper level".
Look at the post i made above this and see how ur unscriptural position holds up.

asalimpo:


i see here tht most church people hav very lil education on d foundations of their faith.
How would Jesus receive tithe wen on earth He was operating as a Sustitute?
Were people praying in Jesus Name?
After His resurrection , He ascended up to Heaven and operates as a Mediator of the new covenant and our Great High Priest.
Abraham tithed to a High Priest, the jews tithed to a human mortal priest but the New Testament believer tithes to his Great High Priest , Jesus Christ!
Again, Hebrews 7 says this.

v8: in the one case the tithe is collected by people who die (who are this people? The levites . A tribe of priests) ; but in the other case by him who is declared to be living (who is this One declared to living? Jesus Christ. Jesus collects tithe today!)

This is the deception of tithe thumpers I talk about
Why not read the whole scripture
Why skip the parts that tell us this is not necessary a.

Read on
Same chapter you quoted

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

babyosisi:


Apostle Paul preached widely after the death and ascension of Christ please show us where tithes were brought to him
Just one verse please

how does your question affect what Hebrews 7v8 says?
If you cant argue logically sign of ,stop throwing silly childish smokescreens.
Hebrews is an NT chapter on tithe why a chapter on tithing in the NT if its irrelevant,considering d value of space in the highly abridged bible.

babyosisi:


This is the deception of tithe thumpers I talk about
Why not read the whole scripture
Why skip the parts that tell us this is not necessary a.

Read on
Same chapter you quoted

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

theyre are 3 full chapters talkng about the priesthood of Jesus.
When did Jesus begin His ministry?
After His ressurection.
Before then which covenant was there? The old inferior covenant mediated by the levitcal priests who collected tithe of men.
Those priest were mortal.
Did you read vs8?
It contrasts btw the old mortal priests who died in their offce and the eternal priest who lives forever. It specifcally states tht Jesus collects the tithes now.

asalimpo:


how does your question affect what Hebrews 7v8 says?
If you cant argue logically sign of ,stop throwing silly childish smokescreens.
Hebrews is an NT chapter on tithe why a chapter on tithing in the NT if its irrelevant,considering d value of space in the highly abridged bible.

I answered you above
Don't pick pieces of scriptures,read the whole scripture
I have quoted the rest of that scripture because it may benefit someone else reading

v8: in the one case the tithe is collected by people who die,but in the other case by him who is declared to be living

The scripture above in that latter part of the sentence is referring to Melchizedek not Christ as erroneously interpreted by the OP
And it is recorded that Abraham only gave a tithe once and it wasn't if his cattle or fruits if his labor but of plunders from war.
Of Melchizedek the bible says he was a priest of the most high without descent and without an end
Personally I don't fully understand this
But I understand that this one time act of Abraham is not a reason for me a NT christian to pay tithes to a pastor who is neither a Levite nor of the order of Melchizedek.
If that order was perfect there would have been no need for a change of it,the Bible says

asalimpo:


theyre are 3 full chapters talkng about the priesthood of Jesus.
When did Jesus begin His ministry?
After His ressurection.
Before then which covenant was there? The old inferior covenant mediated by the levitcal priests who collected tithe of men.
Those priest were mortal.
Did you read vs8?
It contrasts btw the old mortal priests who died in their offce and the eternal priest who lives forever. It specifcally states tht Jesus collects the tithes now.

Yes I read verse 8 and your interpretation of it and have answered you
I ask again
Show us a scripture where tithes were brought to the feet of Paul since you told us Christ who we were supposed to pay tithes to was not worthy to receive the tithes while he was walking around on earth and the tithes were only to be paid after his death and resurrection to him through the pastors
How funny
Therefore according to you there was a period of time when followers and early Christians were denied of the so called benefits of tithing since they had no one to pay it to?
Make up your mind
The bible is not contradictory
Paul came into the scene after Christ had resurrected
He collected no tithes and we didn't read he paid any or instructed anyone to do so
Even when he admonished them it was always about giving
Never did he tell them to pay their tithes to take care of the need in the church
Jesus never said so to his followers to tithe either
At what point then after the resurrection of Christ did tithe paying resume?

If a man of God wants more money to run the church,tell the congregation to give more,it is wrong to scare them with selective tithing laws to achieve that aim.

I wrote this on the other thread by frosbel,I am posting it here

I didn't hear a single preaching or read a single write up against tithes written by anybody before coming to my conclusions
The same way no one preached to convince me that I needed salvation.God put the conviction in my heart and without a preacher I knelt beside my bed and gave my life to CHrist got a Bible and sought out a BIble believing fellowship to grow,I was 17 at the time.

I took up a study on tithes in the year 2000 and what I saw out of the pages of the Bible shocked me
I turned to my husband and told him tithes as preached in the churches were very unbiblical and he thought I had acquired heresies.
I began to show him what the bible says about tithes
What could be tithed
Who should tithe
Who the tithes were given to
The different types of tithes and what the people did with them including a type of tithe that was eaten by all that brought it
I literally jumped out of bed after reading all this
The only person I shared this with was my husband who still believes in tithing till this day
From that day on,I felt no need for tithes and when I heAr pastors read out about people being cursed with a curse,I shake my head
it takes a personal revelation to know this
I don't discuss it with people much because the bible talks about wisdom
I only tell whoever is in doubt to set aside everything the pastor ever said,use a Bible concordance and study everything on tithing and tithes in their own home.
It is written in black and white in the scriptures
If after reading it and you are still convinced,by all means pay your tithes
I give as The Lord has blessed me and as he leads me to give both to individuals and to the church
Sometimes I give to struggling ministers and struggling individuals more than my home Church and I am at peace with it
My passion right now is for widows and fatherless.i will give $1000 of my hard earned money for that course before giving it to any jet riding pastor.

So I say to anyone interested ,forget everything you ever read from me or any one including your pastor
Pick up your Bible and read everything written on tithes and tithing and if you are convinced to pay tithes,please by all means do so.
The bible enjoins us to search the scriptures to know if what the preachers preach is scriptural
If it isn't,you cast it aside

babyosisi:


Yes I read verse 8 and your interpretation of it and have answered you
I ask again
Show us a scripture where tithes were brought to the feet of Paul since you told us Christ who we were supposed to pay tithes to was not worthy to receive the tithes while he was walking around on earth and the tithes were only to be paid after his death and resurrection to him through the pastors
How funny
Therefore according to you there was a period of time when followers and early Christians were denied of the so called benefits of tithing since they had no one to pay it to?
Make up your mind
The bible is not contradictory
Paul came into the scene after Christ had resurrected
He collected no tithes and we didn't read he paid any or instructed anyone to do so
Even when he admonished them it was always about giving
Never did he tell them to pay their tithes to take care of the need in the church
Jesus never said so to his followers to tithe either
At what point then after the resurrection of Christ did tithe paying resume?

If a man of God wants more money to run the church,tell the congregation to give more,it is wrong to scare them with selective tithing laws to achieve that aim.

My dear, there is no point debating with this character called asalimpo, I have long concluded that he is another charlatan tithe collecting fraudster who go to any length to protect his filthy lucre. It's just a waste of time debating him cause his very being stands against the truth.

This was the scripture that caused me to leap out of my bed in shock in 2000
I have never heard any tithe preacher preach this and had never read it till that day
I have never been in a church and seen this happen
This was part of what convinced me people were being deceived
Preachers selectively pick the teachings on tithes that suit them,scare ignorant Christians and leave out other verses that don't suit them

Please read on,I didn't write this scripture and I wonder what explanation the OP will give this.
Thank God I don't have that burden of explaining away things
It is enough for me to point out that I have a better covenant of giving which could be 1%,10%,5% or 50% or 100% of my salary as His Spirit prompts me and according to my ability,cheerfully.

Read this Deuteronomy 14

Tithes

22Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. 23Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always. 24But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. 26Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice. 27And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

The bible is talking about people eating their tithes,a tenth of their produce and first of their herd in a feast and if they were not able to carry it to the temple,to exchange it for money then go to the house of The Lord and use the money from the tithes to buy whatever they desired and eat it in the presence of The Lord.
Who has ever witnessed this happen in their church?
Why do tithe preachers refuse to follow this command in the practice of tithes?

babyosisi:


Yes I read verse 8 and your interpretation of it and have answered you
I ask again
Show us a scripture where tithes were brought to the feet of Paul since you told us Christ who we were supposed to pay tithes to was not worthy to receive the tithes while he was walking around on earth and the tithes were only to be paid after his death and resurrection to him through the pastors
How funny
Therefore according to you there was a period of time when followers and early Christians were denied of the so called benefits of tithing since they had no one to pay it to?
Make up your mind
The bible is not contradictory
Paul came into the scene after Christ had resurrected
He collected no tithes and we didn't read he paid any or instructed anyone to do so
Even when he admonished them it was always about giving
Never did he tell them to pay their tithes to take care of the need in the church
Jesus never said so to his followers to tithe either
At what point then after the resurrection of Christ did tithe paying resume?

If a man of God wants more money to run the church,tell the congregation to give more,it is wrong to scare them with selective tithing laws to achieve that aim.

after you show me how many people got born again and filled with the Spirit in Jesus earthly ministry.

What about matth 23v23?
That's also Jesus saying tithing was right?

You are confused .
Was Jesus operating as God or Man on earth?
Were the Jews not performng their religious duties because Jesus was on earth?

First,your reply shows you really dont understand the plan and operations of the covenants. Yet ur argue strongly usng a poor foundation.

Jesus never condemned tithing, neither was it an issue in the early church. I could,conjecture why, but without scriptures. The heresies in d early church were about circumsion and the resurrection of the dead but not tithing or offering. If it was an issue it would have been addressed.

You dont understand Jesus ministry while on earth or you wouldnt ask some questions you ask.


If you want to debate an issue, be self respecting and not try to twist or distort or inject somethng the other party said.

since you told us Christ who we were supposed to pay tithes to was not worthy to receive the tithes while he was walking around on earth

where did i say the above?
You just want to put words in my mouth.

PastorKun:


My dear, there is no point debating with this character called asalimpo, I have long concluded that he is another charlatan tithe collecting fraudster who go to any length to protect his filthy lucre. It's just a waste of time debating him cause his very being stands against the truth.

I hate arguing scriptures,it is fruitless to argue something spiritual
It only takes the spirit of God to convince one of scriptural things
I am writing for the benefit of people who may read this not necessarily the OP
Nobody can intimidate me with the BIble because of their interpretations of it
God sees my heart and that is more important to me

asalimpo:


after you show me how many people got born again and filled with the Spirit in Jesus earthly ministry.

What about matth 23v23?
That's also Jesus saying tithing was right?

You are confused .
Was Jesus operating as God or Man on earth?
Were the Jews not performng their religious duties because Jesus was on earth?

First,your reply shows you really dont understand the plan and operations of the covenants. Yet ur argue strongly usng a poor foundation.

Jesus never condemned tithing, neither was it an issue in the early church. I could,conjecture why, but without scriptures. The heresies in d early church were about circumsion and the resurrection of the dead but not tithing or offering. If it was an issue it would have been addressed.

You dont understand Jesus ministry while on earth or you wouldnt ask some questions you ask.


If you want to debate an issue, be self respecting and not try to twist or distort or inject somethng the other party said.

since you told us Christ who we were supposed to pay tithes to was not worthy to receive the tithes while he was walking around on earth

where did i say the above?
You just want to put words in my mouth.

Was this not you?

asalimpo:


i see here tht most church people hav very lil education on d foundations of their faith.
How would Jesus receive tithe wen on earth He was operating as a Sustitute?
Were people praying in Jesus Name?
After His resurrection , He ascended up to Heaven and operates as a Mediator of the new covenant and our Great High Priest.
Abraham tithed to a High Priest, the jews tithed to a human mortal priest but the New Testament believer tithes to his Great High Priest , Jesus Christ!
Again, Hebrews 7 says this.

v8: in the one case the tithe is collected by people who die (who are this people? The levites . A tribe of priests) ; but in the other case by him who is declared to be living (who is this One declared to living? Jesus Christ. Jesus collects tithe today!)

babyosisi:
This was the scripture that caused me to leap out of my bed in shock in 2000
I have never heard any tithe preacher preach this and had never read it till that day
I have never been in a church and seen this happen
This was part of what convinced me people were being deceived
Preachers selectively pick the teachings on tithes that suit them,scare ignorant Christians and leave out other verses that don't suit them

Please read on,I didn't write this scripture and I wonder what explanation the OP will give this.
Thank God I don't have that burden of explaining away things
It is enough for me to point out that I have a better covenant of giving which could be 1%,10%,5% or 50% or 100% of my salary as His Spirit prompts me and according to my ability,cheerfully.



The bible is talking about people eating their tithes,a tenth of their produce and first of their herd in a feast and if they were not able to carry it to the temple,to exchange it for money then go to the house of The Lord and use the money from the tithes to buy whatever they desired and eat it in the presence of The Lord.
Who has ever witnessed this happen in their church?
Why do tithe preachers refuse to follow this command in the practice of tithes?

It was this very same deut 14 that opened up my eyes to the fact that church tithing today is a fraud. I first came across the scripture about 12 years ago whilst doing my devotional. I was shoc0ked, lost for words and literally confused as it contradicted everything I had ever been taught about tithes in churches. It then prompted me to start asking questions and studying the scriptures better on the subject matter. With further studies I was able to conclude with any iota of doubt that the tithe doctrine preached in churches today is a monumental fraud from the darkest pits of hell. That aside not one single tithe preacher I sought for explanation was able to give a single reasonable explanation for the inconsistencies in church tithe preaching and the bible's position. I had to conclude that they were preaching the error based on greed and c0onvinient ignorance.

PastorKun:


It was this very same deut 14 that opened up my eyes to the fact that church tithing today is a fraud. I first came across the scripture about 12 years ago whilst doing my devotional. I was shoc0ked, lost for words and literally confused as it contradicted everything I had ever been taught about tithes in churches. It then prompted me to start asking questions and studying the scriptures better on the subject matter. With further studies I was able to conclude with any iota of doubt that the tithe doctrine preached in churches today is a monumental fraud from the darkest pits of hell. That aside not one single tithe preacher I sought for explanation was able to give a single reasonable explanation for the inconsistencies in church tithe preaching and the bible's position. I had to conclude that they were preaching the error based on greed and c0onvinient ignorance.

And I am sure like me you had a hard time discussing this with anyone because it was totally against everything you had heard for the pulpit and you were scared of being labeled heretic when the tithe preachers are indeed the heretic in essence for selectively hiding this portion.
I have read that scripture over and over again and it doesn't jive with anything they preach.
I am close to many preachers of the gospel,I won't even discuss this with any of them but if anyone ever brought on the topic of tithes in a personal conversation I know I would but so far that hasn't happened and I hope it stays that way.

babyosisi:
This was the scripture that caused me to leap out of my bed in shock in 2000
I have never heard any tithe preacher preach this and had never read it till that day
I have never been in a church and seen this happen
This was part of what convinced me people were being deceived
Preachers selectively pick the teachings on tithes that suit them,scare ignorant Christians and leave out other verses that don't suit them

Please read on,I didn't write this scripture and I wonder what explanation the OP will give this.
Thank God I don't have that burden of explaining away things
It is enough for me to point out that I have a better covenant of giving which could be 1%,10%,5% or 50% or 100% of my salary as His Spirit prompts me and according to my ability,cheerfully.



The bible is talking about people eating their tithes,a tenth of their produce and first of their herd in a feast and if they were not able to carry it to the temple,to exchange it for money then go to the house of The Lord and use the money from the tithes to buy whatever they desired and eat it in the presence of The Lord.
Who has ever witnessed this happen in their church?
Why do tithe preachers refuse to follow this command in the practice of tithes?

first, wen it favours u, you dont talk about it being under the law and done away with but if it has to do with parting with your money and not keeping it - you scurry to dismiss it as OT and done away with. You were excited because your natural inclination to not give was sated! This underscores all i've been saying all along- you are wrongly motivated.


I've read it. But how does tht balance with malachi where it says bring it into God's storehouse,
Abraham giving to Melchizedech, Jacob tithing , Tithing of their aniseed and cummin (not eating it).
The point i am making,is a rule for interpreting scripture, if theyre many scriptures on an issue you consider the issue in d light of all the scriptures on it ,not just one.
You can clearly see tht if eating d tithe was the injunction, the storehouse would b hopelessly empty and God would b wrong to accuse His people of robbing Him.


There's a verse in d bible tht says tht God sent a lying spirit to a king! Does tht mean God uses lies or works in conjunction with the devil?
No!
"precept upon precept. .. Line upon line " that's how the word is interpreted.

You already see by the scriptures tht tithe is paid to God thru a High priest.

Pastors dont preach about tht verse because 1) they may not understand it. It is evidently contradictory of other verses. So the slide by it. If/wen they have more light/understanding about it , they'll preach on it.

2. Obvious fear. If they preach on it church income will plummet, they fear.

But like i said the presence of one verse doesnt negate the other verses on it.

babyosisi:


Was this not you?

how dyu interprete me saying Jesus was our Substitute while on earth as me putting Him down as unworthy?
Take it easy.

While Jesus was on earth Men never prayed to Him but to the Father. Tithe isnt even to Jesus but to the Father.

Two , Jesus was operating as a human being on earth,though in His Spirit He was the Son of God.
He had to learn and grow in wisdom
there's a verse saying "and the boy grew and increased in wisdom and obtained favour with God and men" (paraphrased)
Does God need to grow or learn?

Jesus had to walk from place to place to get things done, he slept,he hungered,he thirsted,
does is God subject to these human limitations?

Goshen360:
That is slogan developed & crafted by Oyedepo. I used to be part of his business empire but since I stopped tithing and still giving, nothing has ever been tight for me. You don't wan't me boast do you?

Tithing is a spiritual exercise and does not require any consultations before performing. I pay my tithe always and the devourers are being rebuked for me.

asalimpo:






Pastors dont preach about tht verse because 1) they may not understand it. It is evidently contradictory of other verses. So the slide by it. If/wen they have more light/understanding about it , they'll preach on it.

2. Obvious fear. If they preach on it church income will plummet, they fear.

But like i said the presence of one verse doesnt negate the other verses on it.

The same pastors so knowledgeable in receiving tithes are now without knowledge in eating of tithes by the congregation?
I rest my case with you

babyosisi:


Is that the new slogan by pastors?
My dear read the scriptures
How can anyone tell me tithe is being given to Christ when we have no record of the disciples or thousands who came to listen to Christ give tithes to him?
How did the people not give tithes physically to The Lord Jesus in person and Church history gave no record of tithes to anyone until sometime in the 19th century when the traditional churches introduced tithing and made it mandatory?
Some even made it a condition for membership.
Let us stop all these deceptions
I would rather my pastor tells me he is in dire straits and needs more money to run the ministry than what we are contributing than attempt to scare me with a mandatory percent of my income.
That is unscriptural

Sister me, Tithing may not have been explained extensively in the new testament but it works! No one can decieve me regarding spiritual things God helping me. Tithing worksfor me and anytime I fail to pay my tithe, I'll struggle financially.

Lilimax:
Sister me, Tithing may not have been explained extensively in the new testament but it works! No one can decieve me regarding spiritual things God helping me. Tithing worksfor me and anytime I fail to pay my tithe, I'll struggle financially.

No my dear
giving works
I will give testimony that will blow your mind
I have given $156 monthly for a year to a ministry that God impressed on my mind to give and got a monetary reward over $120k.i have shared that here.
I gave $1000 to a ministry to widows,it was sacrificial giving because God impressed that in my heart and I got a reward over 8k from it
Another time I gave $100 gift after God spoke to me about it and I reaped a reward over 10K from it

I give every blessed day I step into God's house and I have been blessed beyond measure
My husbands salary doubled from giving
A young man in a bible school couldn't pay his fees,my hubby paid it and reaped the fruit of that kindness
Testimonies upon testimonies
I give,sometimes it is way beyond 10%, sometimes less but I can never go to GOd's house empty handed
Never!!
He has blessed me and mine and I give to his works
If I had $300 to give I might give $50 to a poor sister in church,$100 to a widow and the other $100 to a struggling minister and $50 to my church
And my God records it and rewards it
Let it be to you according to your faith,my heart is at peace with how God has taught me

I drive a 10 year old car,I can afford a better car but I didn't get one because of the need around me and God sees my heart
I don't need any man to tell me what the scripture doesn't say
I have never closed my heart to helping the needy with my substance or giving an offering in church and never will
I don't pay tithes
I give sometimes sacrificially
I don't tithe
Tithe is not necessarily for me to be blessed,Goddpesnt require it of me
If your blessings are tied to tithing please tithe,mine aren't

The bible says when I give it shall be given to me good measure pressed down,shaken together and running over and I have seen it happen over and over again

babyosisi:


I rest my case with you

its better to honest than b sly.
If you were in my shoes you wouldnt give half an honest answer.
You'd throw smokescreens like a skunk.