MostHigh:


But yet christ told you I and the father are 1.

So which other face you come dey look for??

Confusion galore.

deriz notin confusing about it....a man gets married to a woman n de r said 2 b 1....what's d confusion in it? d FATHER n d Son are 1, but u and I knw de are different. they are one in many facets.

OLAADEGBU:


I know you don't like it when I arm myself with biblical references and what biblical scholars have to say about it but you got no choice in this matter. You cannot make me drop my weapon so that you can bring me down to your level and then beat me with experience.

This is what the Scripture says and how it can be properly interpreted:

"Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually" (Hebrew 7:3).

Post by OLAADEGBU: 7:3 end of life. This unique description surely implies far more than a mere failure to mention Melchizedec’s genealogy, as the standard naturalistic explanation of this passage has it. The only one of whom these statements could actually be true is God Himself, appearing to Abraham in a pre-incarnate theophany. God appeared to Abraham on other later occasions (e.g., Genesis 17:1; 18:1), but on this occasion, almost overwhelmed by the hostile, ungodly world around him, Abraham needed special comfort and encouragement from God. Thus the Lord (actually God the Son), appearing as the King of Righteousness (Revelation 19:11,16), the King of Peace (Isaiah 9:6), and the Mediator between God and Man (I Timothy 2:5), came to give Abraham His blessing (Genesis 14:19).

Ola, are you saying Christ was already serving as priest of the most high God before Abraham and prior to crucifixion? So why the need for the Levi priesthood? Are you also saying that Christ shut down his priestly office during the time Levites performed the role of high priest?

mbaemeka:


He can be Deity without being Jesus himself. The Holy Spirit appeared as a man a couple of times in the OT. That's what people call a theophany. I am tilting towards that.

bro, ur post is making sense.

OLAADEGBU:


I know you don't like it when I arm myself with biblical references and what biblical scholars have to say about it but you got no choice in this matter. You cannot make me drop my weapon so that you can bring me down to your level and then beat me with experience.

This is what the Scripture says and how it can be properly interpreted:

"Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually" (Hebrew 7:3).

eh mayb.....but lyk I said.....Christ had a MOTHER, foster father n genealogy.

mbaemeka:
Hebrews 7:3, 15-16 KJV

Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

indeed. d bible talked about similitude of Melchizedek n d rising of ANOTHER PRIEST. similarity.....That makes Them different.

lanxlot:
deriz notin confusing about it....a man gets married to a woman n de r said 2 b 1....what's d confusion in it? d FATHER n d Son are 1, but u and I knw de are different. they are one in many facets.

Anathema!!

you and I know no such thing.

sounds lunatic when you say they are 1 yet different.

its either they are or they are not.

wise up.

lanxlot:
indeed. d bible talked about similitude of Melchizedek n d rising of ANOTHER PRIEST. similarity.....That makes Them different.

Different in physical character or in spirit?

MostHigh:


Anathema!!

you and I know no such thing.

sounds lunatic when you say they are 1 yet different.

its either they are or they are not.

wise up.

that's jux 2 cheap. I gave u instance. husband n wife r 1, yet different. Christ teaching.

MostHigh:


Different in physical character or in spirit?

in being.

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Ignorance is no excuse

Zikky There are only 2 Orders ordained by the most high God in all of Scripture. The order of Aaron and the order of Melchizedek.

When you now say things like the priesthood of Melchizedek and Christ are different you only exhibit your lack of understanding

Can you tell me what Order Christ belonged to and what are the ordinances of this order or simply put put what are the ordinances of his priesthood.

And hey thanks for comparing me to a mad man. My master was called the same.

lanxlot:
in being.

;

lanxlot:
Amen, but wait oo.....Melchizedek in d days of Abraham Was the personification of God Himself? God Almighty is spirit...doh ntn is too hard 4 Him to do. He revealed Himself wholely to Abraham is that it?? and moses could Only see His back...........Omehn, if that's what ur tryna say am afraid I dnt agree. Even Christ said NO ONE HAS SEEN THE FATHER.

u can't come face to face with God in spirit form, which is y he had to take a body which can be seen in d person of Melchizedek becoming God in flesh period!!. Jesus said ur father Abraham saw my day and he rejoice wat he was saying is Abraham saw God in flesh which is a type or shadow of things to c some wen God manifested in Christ Jesus.
Jesus is the express image of God that is y when Philip asked him saying show us the father he said I av been with u all dis while yet uu asked show me d father and he said if u av seen me u av seen the father while cos he is d express image of God.
so Who is Melchizedek he Is God himself having no beginning and ending,
Melchizedek is the fleshly manifestation of God himself for Abraham to see cos u can't see him face to face in is spirit form period!!

lanxlot:
that's jux 2 cheap. I gave u instance. husband n wife r 1, yet different. Christ teaching.

He who has seen me has seen the father.

John 14:9.

I see my brother, Zikky, destroying these folks with questions they can't answer and they trying to spin around ...

Goshen360:
I see my brother, Zikky, destroying these folks with questions they can't answer and they trying to spin around ...

The Lawless man returns

MostHigh:

Zikky There are only 2 Orders ordained by the most high God in all of Scripture. The order of Aaron and the order of Melchizedek.
When you now say things like the priesthood of Melchizedek and Christ are different you only exhibit your lack of understanding
Can you tell me what Order Christ belonged to and what are the ordinances of this order or simply put put what are the ordinances of his priesthood.

'Order' refers to type or nature of priesthood. If you read the strong's Concordance i posted, you will observe that it is the character/nature of the priest that defines the type (order) of priesthood. The order of Aaron is a priesthood sustained by succession (since death prevented the priests from continuing in office). Melchi type priesthood is one where the priest remains in office continually.

Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completely[j] those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

This is not to say Melchi and Jesus operates at the same level. Jesus offered himself as sacrifice to become high priest and continues to act as mediator. What was Melchi's job function? I know Abraham offered sacrifice without going through Melchi.

MostHigh:

And hey thanks for comparing me to a mad man. My master was called the same.

My apologies.

lanxlot:
premarital sex isn't a sin? dats a shocker. bro, m beginning to suspect ur Expanded version of d bible....mayb u were d 1 dat did d expansion....dats crazy. ok, make a clear distinction between premarital sex and fornication....anh anh, Goshen d son of moses.

Religion has fed us with lies for years when we're babies in Christ. As we grow, study and mature, we study again what we've been taught and hold onto the truth, dropping religious teaching.

People have called me out on this subject before and I'm not ashamed to teach what I'm teaching because it offend some religious beliefs and thinking but that's the truth. If you like us to discuss it, you can open another thread with my ID, and I will discuss it with you.

But if I put it straight and simple, fornication is a sin, a great sin before God and there are many acts in the sin of fornication but pre - marital sex was never part of the sin of fornication. If you are open mind, I will show you scriptures by scriptures every mention of fornication, the acts of sin that was committed and why we have to allow scriptures interpret scriptures, not our good ideas.

MostHigh:

When you now say things like the priesthood of Melchizedek and Christ are different you only exhibit your lack of understanding

Same priestly type (to the extent the priests don't die and remains in office forever) but Melchi did not handover to Jesus.

MostHigh:


The Lawless man returns

I don't have your time. You're always insulting me even though we laugh at it, I don't care, it's online thing but you have nothing meaning to say other than insult.

Goshen360:

I see my brother, Zikky, destroying these folks with questions they can't answer and they trying to spin around ...

Don't mind them jare

Goshen360:


I don't have your time. You're always insulting me even though we laugh at it, I don't care, it's online thing but you have nothing meaning to say other than insult.

Goshen, it is what it is.

Why take offence at being called Lawless. You are proudly Lawless if I remember those are your words exactly.

The Lawless man is scriptural and you are Lawless.

Why you dey take am as insult??

MostHigh:


Goshen, it is what it is.

Why take offence at being called Lawless. You are proudly Lawless if I remember those are your words exactly.

The Lawless man is scriptural and you are Lawless.

Why you dey take am as insult??

Whatever brother. ..

Goshen360:


Whatever brother. ..

That's the spirit.

Zikkyy:


Post by OLAADEGBU: 7:3 end of life. This unique description surely implies far more than a mere failure to mention Melchizedec’s genealogy, as the standard naturalistic explanation of this passage has it. The only one of whom these statements could actually be true is God Himself, appearing to Abraham in a pre-incarnate theophany. God appeared to Abraham on other later occasions (e.g., Genesis 17:1; 18:1), but on this occasion, almost overwhelmed by the hostile, ungodly world around him, Abraham needed special comfort and encouragement from God. Thus the Lord (actually God the Son), appearing as the King of Righteousness (Revelation 19:11,16), the King of Peace (Isaiah 9:6), and the Mediator between God and Man (I Timothy 2:5), came to give Abraham His blessing (Genesis 14:19).

Ola, are you saying Christ was already serving as priest of the most high God before Abraham and prior to crucifixion? So why the need for the Levi priesthood? Are you also saying that Christ shut down his priestly office during the time Levites performed the role of high priest?

What do you know about a pre-incarnate theophany? Study the Scriptures and you will discover that this was not the only time Abraham experienced a theophany.

lanxlot:


eh mayb.....but lyk I said.....Christ had a MOTHER, foster father n genealogy.

Are you saying Christ had a beginning and and end?

OLAADEGBU:


Are you saying Christ had a beginning and and end?

he had no beginning neither end...av said it b4....tin is, sum oda qualities in verse 3 is a bit off as described....note, paul also said Melchizedek has no geneology, but..Christ had, neither MOTHER nor father, Christ had a mother.

Goshen360:


Religion has fed us with lies for years when we're babies in Christ. As we grow, study and mature, we study again what we've been taught and hold onto the truth, dropping religious teaching.

People have called me out on this subject before and I'm not ashamed to teach what I'm teaching because it offend some religious beliefs and thinking but that's the truth. If you like us to discuss it, you can open another thread with my ID, and I will discuss it with you.

But if I put it straight and simple, fornication is a sin, a great sin before God and there are many acts in the sin of fornication but pre - marital sex was never part of the sin of fornication. If you are open mind, I will show you scriptures by scriptures every mention of fornication, the acts of sin that was committed and why we have to allow scriptures interpret scriptures, not our good ideas.

I dnt even need d scripture 2 tel me that premarital sex is a sin. u shud know frm intuation dat it is wrong, and what is wrong is wrong. no use painting it.....premarital sex is wrong, so a sin. u avent distinguished between fornication n premarital sex as I asked.

I think he is the same Jesus playing some pranks in all ages with humanity. The same that appeared to Abraham, wrestled with Jacob, ate with patriarch Exo. 24:10, who set his throne in Jerusalem before Israelites came there I Chron. 29: 23 born of virgin Mary. towards the end of Revelations He alone sat upon the throne Rev.21: 22; Rev 22: 1;3.

OLAADEGBU:

Are you saying Christ had a beginning and and end?

Confusion in 3D mode!!! Christ is the Son of God. That is, the Son-God. Jesus is the Man of God, that is, the Man-God. Christ is the Deity in the Jesus of the earthly. So we understand that, great is the mystery of Godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. As God, Christ has no beginning but as the man Jesus, HE HAS A BEGINNING OF DAYS (Matthew 1) AND END OF LIFE (Matthew 27:50, John 19:30, Luke 23:46, Mark 15:39).

lanxlot:
I dnt even need d scripture 2 tel me that premarital sex is a sin. u shud know frm intuation dat it is wrong, and what is wrong is wrong. no use painting it.....premarital sex is wrong, so a sin. u avent distinguished between fornication n premarital sex as I asked.

Whenever I get the opportunity to talk about this subject, many people are of the opinion that I'm endorsing immoral lifestyle but the truth is, we desire to study the bible truth. Many things are men good idea but God never called them sin in His word. I will rather prefer we discuss this on a separate thread IF YOU WANT TO BUT IF NOT, WE CAN CONCENTRATE ON THIS MELCHIZEDEK TOPIC, hopefully we'll discuss another day. However, I didn't make those distinction you asked because it will still get us into the discuss but it's not what I want to discuss on this thread.

Theophanies came and went. Melchizedek was a King of a historical city Salem,was well known to Abraham

Heb 7:14
now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of his spoils.
What is stressed in Hebrews is the SIMILARITIES paralled in ministry not the nature of his being to that of Christ.

The Word became flesh when Jesus was born of Mary.This ought to put out of misery any belief in pre-incarnate appearances of Jesus. And don't take me to Daniel's fiery furnace

I heard Jews believed Melchizedek was Shem son of Noah. He outlived Abraham by 35 years and could have been the oldest guy at that time. Now, look at Job offering sacrifices for his kids. That was the order before Moses. The father was the priest and sometimes the grandfather....

OLAADEGBU:


What do you know about a pre-incarnate theophany? Study the Scriptures and you will discover that this was not the only time Abraham experienced a theophany.