Henry120:


Truth hurts.

The Specs show your Gripen are useless when compared to the JF-17 thunder.

26 Gripens, 10 years, only 8 pilots. Pathetic!!!

That information is from 2010 when not all Gripen were delivered.

The JF-17 is inferior to the SAAF Gripens from EW, Swedish data links, pay load to speed.

patches689:


Henry, can you prove anything you say?

Dude, seriously, what is wrong with you?

Do you think you are convincing anybody? Do you know something no one else does?

Or is the fact that at anytime SAAF has 14 Gripen and 25 Hawk LIFT in the air and ready to deploy the most advanced ordinance in Africa really make you so utterly emotional that your only recourse is to parrot out the same baseless nonsense over and over?

SAAF only have 8 Gripen pilots? Fine

Nigeria only has 3 jet qualified pilots

Within 2 days all 26 can be operational after checks.

How many pilots and jets does Nigeria have? Is the question he should answer.

AugustineAgain:


....OF FROZEN GRIPEN JETS

.

No jet is frozen.

You can't as usual support that claim.

AugustineAgain:


Pakistani JF-17 Thunder is built to challenge the mighty Su-30 MKI Flanker of India, avionics vs avionics.

Flanker will win by radar and super-maneuverability
.

Suicide to challenge the SU-30 MKI with an JF-17.

AugustineAgain:


Propaganda.

SADF never fought USSR, or else NATO would have intervened
.

USSR soldiers died in Angola, including their special forces. You wonder why SA SF are said to be good, than really thought and written.

Didn't thee USA sell Stinger missiles to UNITA.

AugustineAgain:


Thank you for that truth.

Nigerian army 150,000

South African army 50,000
.

Yup, but in terms of training and equipment.

The Nigerian army at the first contact would be badly hurt, forced to fall back to lick wounds that will never heal. And turn out deadly.

Quantity is good if have constant supply of both man and material.

AugustineAgain:


Thank you for that truth.

Nigerian army 150,000

South African army 50,000
.

Nigerian army = ~90 000 and the total NAF= ~120 000
SA Army = ~60 000 and the total SANDF = ~89 000

Those are the facts not the other way around.

mzilakazi:



Nigerian army = ~90 000 and the total NAF= ~120 000
SA Army = ~60 000 and the total SANDF = ~89 000

Those are the facts not the other way around.

The Facts are, you only have 8 Gripen pilots for 26 planes.

MikeCZAR:
That information is from 2010 when not all Gripen were delivered.

The JF-17 is inferior to the SAAF Gripens from EW, Swedish data links, pay load to speed.

The information we know is you only have 8 Gripen pilots.


The Specs of the JF-17 block 1 show that it is a better fighter than the Gripen. The Block II is a much more better aircraft than the C/D model.

patches689:


We dont have to.

14 Jets operational at any one time = 14 Pilots

Nope, 12 Jets, 8 pilots. The remainder are in the freezer. Those comments made by your fat minister about them been rotated are pure and utter hogwash.

Henry120:


The information we know is you only have 8 Gripen pilots.


The Specs of the JF-17 block 1 show that it is a better fighter than the Gripen. The Block II is a much more better aircraft than the C/D model.

Information from 2010 disclosed by former defence minister Sisulu.

Tell us better in terms of what?

South African Gripens are different from other C/D models.

Did you know: The Gripen from next year will carry the deadliest and most advanced missile in the world. The Meteor BVRAAM.

patches689:


I dont see anything that makes it better

Of course you won't, everyone else with a functional brain sees the JF-17 block 1 is on par, while the Block II is significantly better.

Henry120:


Truth hurts.

The Specs show your Gripen are useless when compared to the JF-17 thunder.

26 Gripens, 10 years, only 8 pilots. Pathetic!!!

Nigeria only has three fighter pilots.

Henry120:


Nope, 12 Jets, 8 pilots. The remainder are in the freezer. Those comments made by your fat minister about them been rotated are pure and utter hogwash.

The Air force made information like this available for people like you, when testifying at the Seriti commission.

Henry120:


Of course you won't, everyone else with a functional brain sees the JF-17 block 1 is on par, while the Block II is significantly better.

Bet with me, it is not. The JF-17 has larger combat radius meaning it has light ordnance, thus is less armed and almost half of the ordnance mass to that of gripen.

Henry120:


The Facts are, you only have 8 Gripen pilots for 26 planes.

Fact you have one pilot.

Henry120:


Of course you won't, everyone else with a functional brain sees the JF-17 block 1 is on par, while the Block II is significantly better.

On par at the speed of Mack 1?

EVarn:
hehehehe....mike "ebola" czar the seminarian!

I heard you were looking for this:

1. Hawk with the Umbani glide bomb.

2. Gripen armed and firing the A-Darter SRAAM.

3. Retired Cheetah with R-Darter is a bonus.

MikeCZAR:
On par at the speed of Mack 1?

Mach 1.9 actually.

@Henry- stealth fighters with heavy ordnance have less combat radius from F-35B, F-22, F-16, SU class and Gripens. They all have combat radius of between 800km-1000km. The lazy JF-17 has combat radius of almost 1800km meaning the fighter does not want to carry heavy ordnance. Yet, the stealth fighters have air-to-air refueling capability.

The practical example would be that of a soldier carrying only a rifle and some few hand grenades while the other is carrying heavy machine gun, MGL and some few grenades. Tell me which of the two soldier will walk longer distance? Is it not the one carrying much lighter weigh.

Henry120:


Mach 1.9 actually.

The speed is not the matter, stealth matters.

The new gripen has already been promoted to the sixth generation.


http://wonderfulengineering.com/jas-39e-the-worlds-best-stealth-fighter-is-here-and-it-is-not-american/

patches689:


Thats not how it works

"the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges."[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof

We know you have only 8, you continue to claim you have more than 8. Prove you have more.

mzilakazi:



The speed is not the matter, stealth matters.

Stealth is nothing. The Gripen C/D isn't stealthy either.

Henry120:


Mach 1.9 actually.

That's its max speed Mach 1.8.

In operations it will fly at lower speeds.

mzilakazi:
@Henry- stealth fighters with heavy ordnance have less combat radius from F-35B, F-22, F-16, SU class and Gripens. They all have combat ranges of between 800km-1000km. The lazy JF-17 has combat radius of almost 1800km meaning the fighter does not want to carry heavy ordnance. Yet, the stealth fighters have air-to-air refueling capability.

The practical example would be that of a soldier carrying only a rifle and some few hand grenades while the other is carrying heavy machine gun, MGL and some few grenades. Tell me which of the two soldier will walk longer distance? Is it not the one carrying much lighter weigh.

The Block II carries more weapons load than the Gripen. The difference in Kilograms between the Gripen and the Block I is only 600kg.

The Rafale has the longest range of any 4++ fighter and carries by far more load than many of it's contemporaries. The SU-class fighters a combat range that can compete with the Rafale.

As usual your logic makes no sense in these practical terms.

The Specs have shown that the JF-17 thunder is a better fighter than the Gripen, and a fantastic value for money.

Reutech has unveiled its new B-Cat unmanned ground vehicle, armed with a 12.7 mm machinegun, and Super Rogue 3 weapons turret, armed with a 20 mm cannon and four missiles.

The 3x3 B-Cat vehicle can be remotely operated at distance of up to 5 km and is designed for things like perimeter control. It can be armed with a 12.7 mm Browning machinegun but the armed version is still being finalised. The vehicle was displayed at the Africa Aerospace and Defence (AAD) exhibition in September with a mast-mounted Reutech radar and day sights, but can be fitted with other sights.

The civil version of the B-Cat has been around for some seven years and started out as an unmanned mining vehicle for exploring blasting areas. At the beginning of this year B-Cat partnered with Reutech to produce a military version, which will be available for a variety of missions such as anti-poaching, reconnaissance, perimeter surveillance, riot control etc.

The B-Cat is one hundred per cent South African designed and built. Reutech said it is quite unique on the continent and had generated a lot of interest during AAD 2014.

NAIRAS MUMU CONTINUE LAMENTING WHILE SOUTH AFRICA MOVES FORWARD WITH NEW INVENTION

MikeCZAR:
That's its max speed Mach 1.8.

In operations it will fly at lower speeds.

Jets do not normally fly at their top-speed, dummy.

Reutech Radar Systems yesterday launched a new book detailing the history of radar in South Africa and 25 years of Reutech Radar Systems.

Radar is celebrating 75 years in South Africa, with the first system tested in Johannesburg on 16 December 1939. Reutech Radar Systems (RRS) said that the history of radar in the country is closely intertwined with RRS and this is detailed in the book entitled RRS: 25 Years of Innovation.

Radar development in South Africa began when the British government decided in February 1939 to let members of the Commonwealth in on the emerging technology of radar so they could help with its development and deployment. A small team under Sir Basil Schonland, head of the Bernard Price Institute of Geophysical Research at the University of the Witwatersrand soon developed a system, which was tested in December 1939.

By the mid-1970s South Africa had built up radar expertise, particularly at the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR), the military and Armscor but there was little capacity to build its own radar systems. One of the few companies to locally develop and produce radars was Reutech Radar Systems, founded in 1987 as ESD-South and headed by Managing Director Boel Pretorius. With the help of Stellenbosch University Professor Pieter van der Walt and his students, and the support of the Defence Force and Armscor, RRS began developing radars for South Africa.

The company’s first success was the Kameelperd truck mounted air defence radar which remains in service with the South African National Defence Force, in upgraded form. RRS in 1999 received a contract to provide radars for the South African Navy and later achieved a major success with the export of helicopter control radars for the Royal Norwegian Navy’s Fridtjof Nansen frigates.READ MORE

Reutech radars have been sold to some 20 countries but the company offers other products such as mining radars, tracking systems for concentrated solar plants and shock protection systems. It has also provided components for the South African Large Telescope (SALT).

Speaking at the book launch in Centurion yesterday, Armscor acting divisional head of radar and electronic warfare Molahlegi Molope said it was important to have 100% South African companies like RRS to maintain and develop skills and innovation.

RRS: 25 Years of Innovation tells the story of RRS, its technologies and people from inception to today and how it diversified from military radar to commercial products and systems. Today around half of RRS revenue comes from civil and half from military business with a similar split regarding domestic and export revenue.

CEO Carl Kies said that, “we have proven expertise among others in mechanical design, systems engineering, project management, radio frequency electronic design, signal processing, software design and development, antenna system design, digital electronic design, synthesizer design, power amplifier design and logistics. Add to this the skills we have assembled in terms of support systems.”

MikeCZAR:
The Argentines stood their ground and fought them, even at the face of nuclear submarines. Though they weren't that highly trained, the story of their T209 is today legendary stuff.
Many navies around the world can defeat the RN in limit warfare. Like the falklands war.

and who won the island at the end of the day?,being resisted doesnt mean defeat.the RN trains its navy like mad 'cos britain depends on its coastal waters for most of its trade and overseas cargo transport,do you expect such a country to have a weakly trained navy?

MikeCZAR:
Information from 2010 disclosed by former defence minister Sisulu.

Tell us better in terms of what?

South African Gripens are different from other C/D models.

Did you know: The Gripen from next year will carry the deadliest and most advanced missile in the world. The Meteor BVRAAM.

Again, see the specs I posted.

Nope, South Africa flies the C/D model, and the JF-17 thunder block II is way better than them.

I don't speak in future tense, anyway, not your crappy over-priced Gripens.

Henry120:


Jets do not normally fly at their top-speed, dummy.

Now that I've taught you that you wanna come and act smart?

Well with that said, what does this tell us about the operational speeds the JF-17 will be able to fly in? Sub-sonic?

The Gripen max speed is Mach 2. That means it can fly comfortably at Mach 1, while that JF_17 max.

Henry120:


Again, see the specs I posted.

Nope, South Africa flies the C/D model, and the JF-17 thunder block II is way better than them.

I don't speak in future tense, anyway, not your crappy over-priced Gripens.

Which are different from other C/D aircraft.

Better in what field?