FACTS ABOUT INGWE MISSILES

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12910:fact-file-denel-dynamics-zt3-ingwe-precision-guided-missile&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

Henry120:


Stealth is nothing. The Gripen C/D isn't stealthy either.

It is because it carries heavy ordnance.


http://wonderfulengineering.com/jas-39e-the-worlds-best-stealth-fighter-is-here-and-it-is-not-american/

mzilakazi:



It is because it carries heavy ordnance.


http://wonderfulengineering.com/jas-39e-the-worlds-best-stealth-fighter-is-here-and-it-is-not-american/

Lol

Pathetic feel good link.

MikeCZAR:
Now that I've taught you that you wanna come and act smart?

Well with that said, what does this tell us about the operational speeds the JF-17 will be able to fly in? Sub-sonic?

The Gripen max speed is Mach 2. That means it can fly comfortably at Mach 1, while that JF_17 max.

Buhahahahahaha

It's common sense olodo. Do you always drive at 280km/h?

It tells us at 1.9, the JF-17 is a pretty speedy jet.

MikeCZAR:
Which are different from other C/D aircraft.

Better in what field?

The JF-17 block II, is better in every field and above the over-priced Gripen C/D model you fly.

The JF-17 block I is on par with your Gripen.

Henry120:

Lol
Pathetic feel good link.

Like it or not, JF-17 was meant to engage not such heavy machines. It is called poor man's stealth fighter. The JF-17 will perish before the gripen fighter.

The gripen has all the best qualities

- It is compact, yet it carries heavy ordnance that is on par with that of twin engined machines.
-Its size gives it advantage over big machines for better maneuvrability.
-It has air-to-air capability to extend its combat radius without having to touch the ground. The engine of JF-17 will worn out having to perform such tasks.

Henry120:


The JF-17 block II, is better in every field and above the over-priced Gripen C/D model you fly.

The JF-17 block I is on par with your Gripen.

I told you that what is important in any fighter is the ordnance it carries. The JF-17 carries poor ordnance, hence it can fly much larger combat radius without having to refuel. The same applies to the latest block III, they are all inferior to gripen JAS-39.

Henry120:


Buhahahahahaha

It's common sense olodo. Do you always drive at 280km/h?

It tells us at 1.9, the JF-17 is a pretty speedy jet.

It has a good speed but it is not a sufficient factor to make it a stealth fighter.

MikeCZAR:
I heard you were looking for this:
1. Hawk with the Umbani glide bomb.
2. Gripen armed and firing the A-Darter SRAAM.
3. Retired Cheetah with R-Darter is a bonus.

that isnt the umbani glide bomb.didnt you say that the A-Darter SRAAM wasnt yet integrated into your jets?

EVarn:
that isnt the umbani glide bomb.didnt you say that the A-Darter SRAAM wasnt yet integrated into your jets?

The A-Darter has long been integrated into Gripen fighter with the possibility that it will be used by all the countries using the gripen as their attack fighter.

Henry120:


We know you have only 8, you continue to claim you have more than 8. Prove you have more.

Burden of proof is on you.

How do we have 14 Gripen in the air with only 8 pilots?

Henry120:


The Block II carries more weapons load than the Gripen. The difference in Kilograms between the Gripen and the Block I is only 600kg.

The Rafale has the longest range of any 4++ fighter and carries by far more load than many of it's contemporaries. The SU-class fighters a combat range that can compete with the Rafale.

As usual your logic makes no sense in these practical terms.

The Specs have shown that the JF-17 thunder is a better fighter than the Gripen, and a fantastic value for money.

First, as I have posted allready, the Junk Fighters performance stats are absolutely terrible

Second, as I have allready posted, its electronics are poor copies of western systems and do not compare.

Junk Fighter 17 "value for money" argument is like saying the Crysler 500c is good value for money because it looks like a bently and does some of the things a bentley does. But in the end of the day, its just a cheap crysler in a new shell and will never actually compare to the real thing. Much like the Junk Fighter is a J-7 in a new shell

Even the Pakistani's say it is sub standard and openly call it obsolete.

And who says you can afford or will get the Block 2?

Henry120:


Jets do not normally fly at their top-speed, dummy.

They do when they are intercepting

Henry120:


Again, see the specs I posted.

Nope, South Africa flies the C/D model, and the JF-17 thunder block II is way better than them.

I don't speak in future tense, anyway, not your crappy over-priced Gripens.

If the Junk Fighter is so good, why are the Chinese not planning on actually flying any?

They chose the J-10 over the JF-17

Why did Pakistan initially choose the J-10 over the JF-17?

Henry120:


Buhahahahahaha

It's common sense olodo. Do you always drive at 280km/h?

It tells us at 1.9, the JF-17 is a pretty speedy jet.

It tells us that the Gripen flying at 80% is much faster than the JF-17 flying at 80%, it means a Gripen cruising a 60% is faster than a JF-17 cruising at 70% it tells us that the Gripen flying under combat power is faster than the JF-17 flying under combat power.

This guy, trying to pretend his slow plane is not a problem.

Also, Junk Fighter-17's max speed has been pegged as low as mach 1.6 by the PAF
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/fighterplanes/texts/articles/jf-17.html

Henry120:


The JF-17 block II, is better in every field and above the over-priced Gripen C/D model you fly.

The JF-17 block I is on par with your Gripen.

Doing the ususal?

Repeating the same statement over and over but being unable to prove it?

How about for once you prove it?

Is the problem that you cant?

Is the problem that your proposed Junk Fighter is absolute Junk?

patches689:


If the Junk Fighter is so good, why are the Chinese not planning on actually flying any?

They chose the J-10 over the JF-17

Why did Pakistan initially choose the J-10 over the JF-17?

Obviously, Pakistan knows that the Junk Fighter-17 is not a reliant fighter, that's why instead they chose the more stealthy J10s which is yet to be acquired. Bwahahahahaha.....

Tragedy after tragedy happening one after the other. Poor Nigerians already grown used to it and it is no longer breath taking incident. Another tragedy that could have been prevented by military befalls Nigeria.



http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/12/3/boko-haram-nigeria.html

patches689:


Burden of proof is on you.

How do we have 14 Gripen in the air with only 8 pilots?

Why do you have a paltry 8 Pilots for 26 planes?

Henry120:


Why do you have a paltry 8 Pilots for 26 planes?

why do you have only 3 pilots for your 11 good-for-nothing low cost reverse engineered MIG-21 designated F-7s?

patches689:


First, as I have posted allready, the Junk Fighters performance stats are absolutely terrible

Second, as I have allready posted, its electronics are poor copies of western systems and do not compare.

Junk Fighter 17 "value for money" argument is like saying the Crysler 500c is good value for money because it looks like a bently and does some of the things a bentley does. But in the end of the day, its just a cheap crysler in a new shell and will never actually compare to the real thing. Much like the Junk Fighter is a J-7 in a new shell

Even the Pakistani's say it is sub standard and openly call it obsolete.

And who says you can afford or will get the Block 2?

My response

Henry120:


My response

Bwahahahaha...... this is obvious that Gripen takes the trophy. Look at the combat radius, the Junk Fighter can cover almost twice the combat radius of Gripen without a dropped tank, meaning it carries less weapon system. Bwahahaha.........


know what a combat range is. It tells a lot about the aircraft performance and armament.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_radius

patches689:


If the Junk Fighter is so good, why are the Chinese not planning on actually flying any?

They chose the J-10 over the JF-17

Why did Pakistan initially choose the J-10 over the JF-17?

That's because you buffoon, the J-10 is an earlier program, similar platforms and the first truly chinese indigenous fighter.

It's just common sense.

The pakistani's have gone for the JF-17 and J-31.

Henry120:


That's because you buffoon, the J-10 is an earlier program, similar platforms and the first truly chinese indigenous fighter.

It's just common sense.

The pakistani's are gone for the JF-17 and J-31.

Nope is because J10 is a stealth fighter due to the weight of weapon system it carries.

patches689:


It tells us that the Gripen flying at 80% is much faster than the JF-17 flying at 80%, it means a Gripen cruising a 60% is faster than a JF-17 cruising at 70% it tells us that the Gripen flying under combat power is faster than the JF-17 flying under combat power.

This guy, trying to pretend his slow plane is not a problem.

Also, Junk Fighter-17's max speed has been pegged as low as mach 1.6 by the PAF
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/fighterplanes/texts/articles/jf-17.html

Maximum speed: Mach 1.8 (1,370.2 mph; 2,205.1 km/h)[115]
Combat radius: 1,352 km (840 mi)
Ferry range: 3,482 km (1,880 NM)
Service ceiling: 16,920 m (55,500 ft)
Thrust/weight: 0.95
Armament

Now, this is the block 1. It simply says the much earlier block 1 is almost as fast as the Gripen. It's combat radius of 1352km makes up for and surpasses whatever slight speed shortfall it has over the Gripen.

The F-22 has a top speed of MACH 1.9, so speed isn't a deciding factor. It's almost irrelevant as you cannot possibly shot at the enemy flying at 2 times the speed of sound.

mzilakazi:



Like it or not, JF-17 was meant to engage not such heavy machines. It is called poor man's stealth fighter. The JF-17 will perish before the gripen fighter.

The gripen has all the best qualities

- It is compact, yet it carries heavy ordnance that is on par with that of twin engined machines.
-Its size gives it advantage over big machines for better maneuvrability.
-It has air-to-air capability to extend its combat radius without having to touch the ground. The engine of JF-17 will worn out having to perform such tasks.

Drunk comment by a drunk soldier.

Both the the JF-17 and Gripen are classified as light weight multi-role fighters. Olodo!!

The Gripen is an over-priced piece of crap fighter. It is like buying a bentley on a $20k annual salary. This is the exact receive why you only have 8 pilots for 26 planes, and only 12 in service.

It is a low end piece of over-priced junk.

It has a poor combat radius.

The JF-17 is a far more manoeuvrable fighter than the Gripen can ever be. It uses the more powerful RD93 engine. Same engine which powers the MIG-35 and J-31.

patches689:


Doing the ususal?

Repeating the same statement over and over but being unable to prove it?

How about for once you prove it?

Is the problem that you cant?

Is the problem that your proposed Junk Fighter is absolute Junk?

Providing actual evidence over and over. Except if you're blind, the Infographic I posted compares both systems, and it clearly shows the JF-17 block 1 as an equal match to the Gripen, and the block 2 a better fighter.

mzilakazi:



Nope is because J10 is a stealth fighter due to the weight of weapon system it carries.

Do you even have a clue what stealth is?

Henry120:


Do you even have a clue what stealth is?

Bwahahahahaha...... yep, the ability of engaging in covert mission and carry out surprise attacks without being noticed. Nigeria with their ATR will find it hard to detect gripens. Bwahahahahaha....

This is from the man who beats Nigeria's mentality hands down.

Henry120:


Providing actual evidence over and over. Except if you're blind, the Infographic I posted compares both systems, and it clearly shows the JF-17 block 1 as an equal match to the Gripen, and the block 2 a better fighter.

That's what you think, but in reality Gripen is by far superior than Junk Fighter. Your Junk Fighter carries much lighter ordnance hence can cover large combat radius. It is too lazy to carry heavy weights (pay load) just like a soldier who carries his only AK47 to war.


learn more about aircraft ordnance.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_ordnance

Henry120:


Buhahahahahaha

It's common sense olodo. Do you always drive at 280km/h?

It tells us at 1.9, the JF-17 is a pretty speedy jet.

That means it travels far below that speed.

Say your Car max speed is 280km/h, you'll comfortable limit your speed around 160km/h.

The JF-17 is a snail.

Henry120:


The JF-17 block II, is better in every field and above the over-priced Gripen C/D model you fly.

The JF-17 block I is on par with your Gripen.

Tell us in which field chief.

Speed, weapons, EW, avionics, sensors and availability.