Nonso23:


Even a JSS3 student knows that the clitoris is one among the major sensual areas in the female reproductive system.
Are you trying to say that you are yet to cross JSS3
I might as well believe it.

Who said it wasn't?

Nonso23:


You are hilarious!
What percentage of that child abuse is carried out with anasthetics?
Do you even know the risk involved in over dosing the poor child on anasthesia and how it constitutes a major turn off to the surgeon?
You are really uninformed.

Vaccination is not a life threatening process, risk of infection: zero, risk of ruining a delicate part of the body: zero. The issues they address are very much visible and a source of serious medical concern. Not some cock and bull research that says circumcised male are automatically immune to HIV and STIs.

How am I supposed to be bothered about you reading 90 biased reports to justify your potetial thirst for child abuse?
15 languages?
Is that supposed to lend credence to your 'unfacts'?
Why don't you go and have your appendix removed to prevent appendicitis creeping in on you sometime in the future.

Throw away Ignorance!

In Germany it is NEVER carried out without anesthesia, that much is sure.
I doubt in the US they cut the children without giving them anesthetics.

Nonso23:


You don't even remember your post again.

Short term memory

Don't deviate.

You didn't know that male circumcision is done under anesthesia? Is that how well informed you are?

bloody hell!!!

12 hour break on this thread & simpletons have completely taken over.....

Nonso23:

What percentage of the world is germany again?? Assuming that untruth up there is valid
Don't even bother about the USA biko.

Globally, circumcision is generally performed without anasthetics. Stop parading debateable exceptions as the norm to justify you thirst for child abuse.

This is not true.

I have googled it and the sources contradict each other.
I have seen articles that claim that in the USA male circumcision is usually performed without anesthetics but other sources contradict them.
I have read an article on the use of anesthetics during male circumcision procedure in Australia and it claims that male circumcision is performed under anesthesia.

I am not an expert in this field but I am sure that you give us an incomplete picture on that matter and that you omit relevant information.

Nonso23:

This irrelevant question isn't deviation

Sorry to disappoint you Africa is no longer in the stone age. Information and knowledge is as cheap as sand in the sahara and i buy a lot.
I can't say the same about you though. I mean, who says:
Penis = clitoris in this age

Then make proper use of the information available instead of being one-sided and quoting personal anecdotes in the name of serious research.

carefreewannabe:


In Germany it is NEVER carried out without anesthesia, that much is sure.
I doubt in the US they cut the children without giving them anesthetics.

sorry that is not tru, jewish make it in the church and no anesthesia is done the same in israel from the about 400 man who are allowed to make it are only 20 doctors so you see that this is not tru.

I will look about turky people in germany and austria because this is the biggest group who make male circumcision in europa.

In egypt also female christian get circumcision.

Nonso23:


Who is being one-sided here
You read 15 research papers over the night and in fifteen different languages and still could only come up with one very superficial untruth!
I returned from church and just read a few of their submissions online and had a study worthy paper... sorry three study worthy papers.

maybe the 14 others were too incriminating for you to post.
Learn to do proper research please!

You have made up your mind, so there is no need for us to discuss the issue.
I can provide all the links to the websites I have my information from (to the ones you understand) and you will still believe whatever you want, so good Sunday to you.

Nonso23:


oh so you knew about the incomplete picture before hurrying to spoon-feed us lies under the guise of a bogus research work?
Pseudo-science at its finest.

And stop propagating such incredulous falsehoods.

It is a fact that circumcision is carried out globally without anesthetics.

You propagate falsehoods, not me.

nora544:


sorry that is not tru, jewish make it in the church and no anesthesia is done the same in israel from the about 400 man who are allowed to make it are only 20 doctors so you see that this is not tru.

I will look about turky people in germany and austria because this is the biggest group who make male circumcision in europa.

In egypt also female christian get circumcision.

What is not true?

Was I talking about Turkey or Israel?

Do your research on Germany, I would provide sources for you if you knew German.
There are laws that regulate male circumcision strictly and it is not allowed to be done by people who do not have the necessary qualities to perform the procedure.

Good luck.

LordReed:

Please stop this nonsense of seeking consent from a baby. Do you seek consent before sticking a needle into a baby's àss for inoculations? Is it not painful and traumatic, don't things go wrong? That's the silliest excuse to ever bring up in discussing what is good for a child, that the child cannot give consent. Of course he/she can't bloody well give consent or else they won't need you to be parents.

i can see you have a problem with logic - what you call the silliest excuse is what the anti-FGM crew use to fight the FGM traditional practise. i was only using your points to destroy you & what you could come up with is sticking a needle in child - what a putrid analogy, how many kids have died because of injections in comparison to MGM?

If you want to compare the specific parts of the male and female sexual organs then the clitoris is akin to the glans not the foreskin.

i am comparing what is being removed from both genders. a part of the clït is removed from the girl & the entire foreskin is removed from the boy. to now turn around & tell me the girl is abused & the boy isn't tells me you skipped logic class in school.

Circumcision for males has never had as its goal control of libido so I don't know what that is doing there.

it does - uncircumcised men enjoy sėx better. grab a book and read it up!

How is it child abuse to make a decision for the well being of a child?

how is it also child abuse to circumcise a girl based on religion & traditional beliefs? is it not for the well-being of the female child?

I specifically asked you to name a disease that only affects circumcised males and the best you could come up with was a situation where the circumcision was poorly done and call me trolling. Your responses are more of emotional outbursts than an attempt to really look at the evidence.

circümcised males are at a risk of infant mortality: that alone destroys any disease or infection you can come up with. if only one male child dies as a result of cïrcumcision then it's enough excuse to completely eradicate the entire practise. who's going to account for the soul of that dead child?

yet you talk about emotional outbursts when you have been feeding me with endless streams of pretentious crap. you are arguing on a public forum in the 21st century that cutting & dicing a male child in the name of circümcision isn't child abuse? you must have a weird fetish for seeing male kids suffer which only tells me you are an unrepentant sadist forward slash son abuser.

Nora544,

German doctors use anesthetics.
Jewish and Muslim circumcisors must have absolved a training to be allowed to perform the procedure in Germany but they don't use anesthetics because only doctors are allowed to use anesthetics.

There is an ongoing debate over the issue, many people and organizations are unhappy with the laws that allow some people to perform the procedure without anesthesia. Jews and Muslims defend the procedure in the name of religious freedom.

Nonso23:


Please do

I have no interest in cramming 15 languages and understanding none.
My mind is very open to learn . You are just not up to the task of convincing me with all your bubuyaya research work to justify child abuse. keep up with it though.

We will talk again when you learn to have a healthy debate without ironic remarks and useless smilies.

Happy Sunday.

Nonso23:


Now you know only about Germany?
What happened to your earlier assertion that anesthesia during the procedure is a 'global' thing??
Take it easy ooo.

Stop putting words in my mouth. I have never said anything about "global thing".

Nonso23:


So, i won you in the smilies contest?

I didn't start the ironic remarks, you did. I only followed up. Fair enough I believe.

Happy Sunday to you too.

I didn't know we had a competition. I didn't come here with the mindset to win but to learn and I have.
By the way, I wasn't ironic but anyway.

Thanks.

Acada111. Lol. So funny

Nonso23:


There is no need to sound so modest
I came here to learn too but ranking higher on my scale of preference is - learning facts. That I've achieved just that this time it wasn't from this thread.
I wasn't Ironic too. I can claim that too on here

De nada senorita!

En paz senor.