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Re: A Summary Of God by sinequanon: 12:18pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
AllNaijaBlogger: To use the definition in wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] ..it is clear to me that atheism is a materialist position, i.e it is one that holds that everything is accessible to science and governed by fixed laws. Their contention is not whether people worship, but that the entities they worship are not real. To a materialist, the only things that are real are things that can be completely controlled or made up of completely controllable elements. Deities do not conform to their reality. [size=16pt]The atheist position is that NO deities exist, because no non-material entities exist.[/size] It is a dogmatic position, because atheists believe in a system of "evidence" that accepts ONLY the material, and rejects anything else as "error", "noise", "coincidence" etc. It is a system that filters out non-controllable elements and then says that they don't exist. The theist position is another extreme. It jumps from recognizing the existence of the non-material, to worshiping it. [size=16pt]My position[/size] is that non-material entities exist. Spirit exists, soul exists etc. But a spirit only becomes a god to the people who choose to worship it. A spirit will be a god to a particular group of people because they have chosen to worship that spirit. Their god is real, but not universally a god. To others, it may be just another spirit (weak spirit requiring worship). And this addresses the earlier question of why religion seems universal. It is indeed a human behaviour for humans to worship things they believe to be more powerful than them. This tends to include the unfamiliar, things at the boundaries of our experience. The act of worship is creative and makes the entity powerful over those that worship it. |
Re: A Summary Of God by Weah96: 1:00pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
asalimpo: You don't see how the problem of death could influence EVERYONE to seek answers about it? Everyone dies, my brother, even those who live in remote and isolated communities. This is a universal problem. Those with eyeballs can SEE that dead people stay DEAD. Nobody knows what happens after death, and for many, that is an intolerable uncertainty. Our pattern seeking brain tries to find a matching pattern, even though it cannot see on the other side of the life barrier. So the first answer that tries to resolve this uncertainty is usually adopted. Even if the characters in the story walk on water and multiply one agege bread into millions, your brain is attracted to the story more than the reality of absolute uncertainty. "A sense of uncertainty about the future generates a strong threat or 'alert' response in your limbic system. Your brain detects something is wrong, and your ability to focus on other issues diminishes. Your brain doesn't like uncertainty - it's like a type of pain, something to be avoided. Certainty on the other hand feels rewarding, and we tend to steer toward it, even when it might be better for us to remain uncertain" http://m.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-brain-work/200910/hunger-certainty 3 Likes |
Re: A Summary Of God by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 1:10pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
sinequanon: You are not making sense. As long as you dont't believe in God, you are an atheist. So, do you believe in the bible? Jesus? 1 Like |
Re: A Summary Of God by sinequanon: 1:13pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
AllNaijaBlogger: If you don't follow, we can't discuss. Let's leave it there. |
Re: A Summary Of God by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 1:25pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
sinequanon: May God have mercy on you. You seem a bit confused. |
Re: A Summary Of God by Weah96: 1:29pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
AllNaijaBlogger: Understatement of the year. 2 Likes |
Re: A Summary Of God by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 1:36pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
Weah96: More like euphemism |
Re: A Summary Of God by Weah96: 1:39pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
sinequanon: Atheists are not materialists by choice. It's the only rational option. Some atheists have been on this forum for YEARS!! Not one Christian or Muslim has ever presented evidence which shows that spirits are real, or that they know what happens after death. Take you for example, all you did here was use your fingers to type the words, "spirit exists." With evidence like that, who on this planet is lacking proof of ANYTHING? |
Re: A Summary Of God by plaetton: 2:02pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
sinequanon: In other words, if he cannot agree with you, then you cannot discuss. Clever. 4 Likes |
Re: A Summary Of God by sinequanon: 2:08pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
There is no point anybody ranting and asking me questions at the same time. If you wish to rant, then rant. My answer is, "each to his own". if you want to have more than a one way "conversation" consisting only of you ranting, then stop ranting, mumbling to one another and acting immaturely. It is not by force that we talk. You are welcome to your views. I have no vested interest in changing them. |
Re: A Summary Of God by plaetton: 2:16pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
Weah96: Just laughing out loud watching this dude make a complete mess of himself. What a pity. Imagine, atheists are dogmatic because they choose to only accept things with evidence? This guy is really really dumb. BTW, is gravity a materialist thing? Are ectromagnetic manifestations like ultraviolet, infrared, gamma rays, xrays, etc, materialist entities? I just thought I should ask. And also BTW, op, I believe that spirits and other nonphysical things exists. But they are interdimensional entities whose vibrational frequencies occasionally intersect with ours due to energy fluxes here and there that occur naturally or deliberately induced. I do not push this as facts, just my own opinions. Now, I wonder if I am still an atheist. 1 Like |
Re: A Summary Of God by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 2:17pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
sinequanon: take it easy |
Re: A Summary Of God by ooman(m): 2:30pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
Dapo777: You somehow implied that belief has some effect on reality. This is not true. Believing that you wont contract std doesn't mean you wont. Believing that god and hell doesn't exist doesn't mean they dont, if they do. Atheism is the lack of belief rather than another belief system. Maybe you have troubles understanding atheism, that's your business, but next time, speak for yourself alone. |
Re: A Summary Of God by ooman(m): 2:41pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
sinequanon: If spirits exist, if they are subject to laws in their own dimension, if they can reason logically, then they are material enough. Everything that exist is material, but materials exist in different dimensions. That's the only difference. What makes an atheist is a disbelief in an uncreated creator that affects human life. Every other thing that can be shown to make logical sense is welcome by mainstream atheism, even if that is a creator. But mainstream atheism dont have faith in spirits. We do not need to. If spirits exist, its great, but why should I believe. they do? 1 Like |
Re: A Summary Of God by Nobody: 2:53pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
ooman: Hahaha,and to think someone wont see the sarcasm in my post is unbelievable. |
Re: A Summary Of God by sinequanon: 2:56pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
ooman: That is a lot of ifs, followed by... ooman: ...your personal opinion, I guess, since you jumped from ifs to absolute statement. ooman: I prefer the definition in wiki. ooman: Circular. Your particular logical sense IS materialism. I am not bashing circularity or trying to dissuade anybody from it. I am just calling it what it is. If you are happy with materialism, which is fine, I don't see why any of you should feel offended by the fact of the circular logic. And please nobody rant in reply. It is a waste of bandwidth. ooman: I didn't say you have to. In fact, I said, "each to his own", which caused your fellow atheists to start wowing and ranting. |
Re: A Summary Of God by Nobody: 3:08pm On Dec 10, 2014 |
sinequanon: Do these spirits have any influence on you or mankind for that matter? |
Re: A Summary Of God by ooman(m): 7:19am On Dec 11, 2014 |
Dapo777: well you got me there.... I dont do very well with sarcasm generally.... 1 Like |
Re: A Summary Of God by davien(m): 7:48am On Dec 11, 2014 |
Sinequanon,why are you always a case study for illogical concepts?...though it's amusing,your hatred of secular ideals is pathetic and hypocritical when you enjoy the fruits of materialism...empiricism and naturalism everyday. |
Re: A Summary Of God by ooman(m): 8:32am On Dec 11, 2014 |
sinequanon: Indeed its a waste of bandwidth ever talking to you. Bye now. |
Re: A Summary Of God by sinequanon: 10:48am On Dec 11, 2014 |
davien: Secular ideals are good, which is why I question your religion of materialism. Unfortunately, I can't find a confident and balanced atheist with whom to discuss the benefits, if any, of materialism. What is it about materialism that produces ranters? You don't get that impression from, say, Buddhism, do you? If materialism, empiricism and naturalism were so great, you would not be struggling and ranting so hard to "justify" them. Your argument is the same one Christians make in the UK. They say that the country was founded on Christianity and you are "enjoying" the fruits of Christianity, every day (two words ). Suddenly, you can see the gaping hole in your argument (not that you are going to admit it). People who don't believe and have a better outlook have to make the best of a bad job -- that is not "enjoying". |
Re: A Summary Of God by davien(m): 1:21pm On Dec 11, 2014 |
sinequanon:Those bolded words make you even more hilarious than you are.... "religion of materialism"...lol And I never ranted nor struggled to defend materialism....maybe in your delusions,calling somehow out as hypocritical is a "rant" |
Re: A Summary Of God by Weah96: 1:23pm On Dec 11, 2014 |
davien: Soon you guys will end up "leaving it there." |
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