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Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by bukatyne(f): 10:11pm On Dec 13, 2014 |
ihedinobi2: Abi. O! She was on my train and a friend I don't know about young women, I only know about myself. Besides why the reference to young women? Mental Island, I don't think so. Affected by How people think: very negligible |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by Kay17: 10:16pm On Dec 13, 2014 |
Timbuktou: "Man is born free but found in chains everywhere" I don't know of any woman who was born to for the purpose of being beneath a man. 4 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by coogar: 10:19pm On Dec 13, 2014 |
Kay17: why do you have a womb & 2 brëasts then? what are the purposes of those body features?? 3 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by Nobody: 10:23pm On Dec 13, 2014 |
Kay17:You married? |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by ihedinobi2: 10:47pm On Dec 13, 2014 |
bukatyne:That was non-negotiable. I know about young women. I keep hearing young women say that we don't all think alike/we don't need to all think alike, or that all the arguing is senseless because nobody's view changes and people can't affect how others think. All this in the face of the fact that these young women's views change from time to time as they interact with people. Each time I hear it I wonder if young women ever actually listen to themselves. That's what I'm talking about. Why do you believe that? Are all of your current ideas the same ones you had last year? 2 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by bukatyne(f): 11:00pm On Dec 13, 2014 |
ihedinobi2: I definitely learnt new things however my values are the same from when I was old enough to know what I want. Sometimes I am seen as unyielding ![]() Check out young boys too 2 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by winner01(m): 11:13pm On Dec 13, 2014 |
FrancisTony:I never mentioned way of life. Its my personal relationship with my maker Its not religion, its truth. 1 Like |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by ihedinobi2: 11:15pm On Dec 13, 2014 |
bukatyne:Did you conjure up these new things by yourself or other people were involved in your learning them? Young men are typically unconfused about the fact that they need to learn. We typically hang out with each other to exchange notes and with older men to make new notes. Those young men who are confused about that are because of the softening of masculinity that results from feminist ideologies that some mothers raise their sons with these days. |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by bukatyne(f): 11:19pm On Dec 13, 2014 |
ihedinobi2: Young men are unconfused while young women are confused? Goodnight ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by ihedinobi2: 11:23pm On Dec 13, 2014 |
bukatyne:Lmao! You know it's true nau. Young women una wahala no be here matta. ![]() |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by Nobody: 11:43pm On Dec 13, 2014 |
lezz:Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing about men being the head or women being submissive. I think "submissiveness" depends on how the family(husband and wife) sees it. I'm arguing about Gender Inequality. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by Kay17: 11:50pm On Dec 13, 2014 |
Timbuktou: Dignity. 5 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by Kay17: 11:51pm On Dec 13, 2014 |
coogar: Angela Merkel has a womb and 2 breasts, but she did not limit her life purpose and destiny to a womb and 2 breasts. 4 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by coogar: 11:57pm On Dec 13, 2014 |
Kay17: that is not the point - why was she born with a womb & a pair of brêasts in the first place? 7 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by Kay17: 12:12am On Dec 14, 2014 |
coogar: What does the fewest minority even mean?! Isn't it between two sexes, so where does the fewest minority come from?! It is either a woman is capable or not. If Angela Merkel can successfully govern a powerful state, then there can be more women who can do the same. Genius is not the preserve of males. The truth is, you search endlessly for an excuse to make out a successful woman. There ought to be many more progressive women, but they unfortunately believe the woman is incapable of remarkable achievements. Culture uses religions, anecdotes to explain why women cannot grow. They explain how a snake and a tortoise made women vulnerable and helpless. They teach humility and erect duty on conceit. My question was very clear: wouldn't it be courageous and worthy to overcome a divine curse? 6 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by Kay17: 12:13am On Dec 14, 2014 |
coogar: She has a reproductive capability, is that what you mean? 4 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by coogar: 12:20am On Dec 14, 2014 |
Kay17: it is! 99% of all human achievements are by men. where are the women? few minorities mean when you look at any group of intellectuals from science to inventions to finance to politics, men always always outnumber the women & i don't think there's any law restricting women to become what they wanna become.
why this belief when women have had equal opportunities as the men for at least the last 100 years? were there no women in bill gates' class? steve jobs? where are they today? what have they invented?
you are pulling this out of the stratosphere - there's no excuse for any woman not to be what she wishes. the truth is - a woman's mental capacity in general terms cannot cope when the demand is extremely tasking. men are more suited to such roles.
if it's really a divine curse - there's no escaping it. humans cannot & can never overcome the curse God placed on them in eden. 9 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by coogar: 12:29am On Dec 14, 2014 |
Kay17: what i mean is - she was specially created to carry a man's baby. that's the primary purpose of women. a man puts his seeds in her & she must carry the baby to term with the body features she was blessed with - propping her to do other things is just trying to be politically correct. generally, women are not cut for such roles. •FTSE 100 - only 5 female CEOs •british engineers - only 9% are females •american engineers - only 18% are females •world leaders - only 20 are females in 280 countries. why these disproportionate figures? do women not go to school? 7 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by tintingz(m): 12:37am On Dec 14, 2014 |
Interesting comments. ![]() |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by Kay17: 12:44am On Dec 14, 2014 |
coogar: You are a sad case of ignorance. 1. You rely on fallacies such as the most fictitious quantification of human achievement. How were you able to calculate human achievement across centuries and compute 99 percent contribution from men. That is absolutely ridiculous. 2. The Achilles Heel of your generalization that genius resides solely in males, is for me to prove that at least one single female is capable of genius. Just one example destroys your argument. 3. Women form a minority in such a pyramid social structure in our society and in the West. People have the mythical belief that women are inferior humans. It is a strange belief but people do. Hence the scarcity of women at the top. The men at the top are not always the brightest. In aristocratic societies, it was believed the cream was at the top, but that was proven to be false. Same here. There is no such thing as an equal opportunity. We don't live in a total egalitarian society. 4. Since you have refused to answer my question, I'd give you mine: Yes. 7 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by Kay17: 12:52am On Dec 14, 2014 |
coogar: But these stats are not constant, right? 5 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by coogar: 1:06am On Dec 14, 2014 |
Kay17: very constant! they are hoping to get 25 female CEOs in FTSE by 2025. that's about 10 years from now. just 25%. Kay17: you are the one talking out of your arsë - i knew you would resort to this when each point you have made got destroyed by simple facts. women don't do well when it comes to logic too - they get emotional before they can argue logically.
which fallacies - what's the ratio of male inventors to females? can you count? go on google & find out.
there's always an exception to the general rule - stop arguing against logic. if the ratio of all geniuses are 100 to 1 in favour of men then you can generally conclude that men are better at some roles than women. it's nothing to be ashamed about.
you are speaking out of your arsë again... maybe in the cocoon you find yourself, you could argue there is no such thing as equal opportunity but in the west that i know, women have equal opportunities even sometimes more than the men. the state is ready to sponsor her to whatever level she desires but after a while, most of them do an appraisal & change their career path into something less stressful. most of them can't just cope with the demands the big roles require. it's nothing to do with politics, it's just biology.
your question is meaningless! it's like asking if it's courageous or worthy to marry christ. stop asking fairytale questions - humans still carry the curse of their deeds in eden. nothing can change the status quo. 9 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by Kay17: 1:17am On Dec 14, 2014 |
coogar: Coogar, that is obviously a lie, the figures and rates can not be the same numbers decade by decade. There either has to be an increase or a decrease from the previous decade. You made a generalization, the supposed exception undermines your generalization. The idea is that a woman is capable of ingenuity then any woman is capable of ingenuity. 5 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by coogar: 1:17am On Dec 14, 2014 |
Kay17: increase or decrease? ![]() http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20121028/BUSINESS/310269984 4 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by Kay17: 1:21am On Dec 14, 2014 |
coogar: Maj Mirmirani, dean of the engineering program at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, said the lack of females in the workforce is problematic because women have inherent abilities they can offer in the field, which translate to more innovation, greater business opportunities and a more competitive economic environment. 4 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by coogar: 1:32am On Dec 14, 2014 |
^^^ that's just theoretical - fact remains women are leaving the field in droves these days, they are simply not interested in it cos they cannot cope mentally. 5 Likes
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Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by Kay17: 2:19am On Dec 14, 2014 |
coogar: You are not considering barriers such as sexual harassment from employers, gender bias in the workplace and women dropping out of their careers to raise families. But your mind is fixated on incompetence as the sole reason for the low rates. 6 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by tracyfemmmm: 6:04am On Dec 14, 2014 |
seunoni34:seunoni34-As$hole 2 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by Callfubu(m): 6:49am On Dec 14, 2014 |
Kay17:if it were Nigerian or African women that were at the pole front of the whole feminism thing, it would be "somewhat" justified because asides from religious sentiments regarding the position of women, our cultures also subjects them too. Because women are subject to men is not a bad thing in itself, it that men take advantage of it is what is bad. But the whites that keep advocating for these useless propaganda all have it good. Their law favors women a lot, especially during a divorce. which is not the same case in Nigeria or Africa as it were. 1 Like |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by Kay17: 9:01am On Dec 14, 2014 |
Callfubu: It is an inherent vice of human beings to exploit the weak. And I see no advantage or good thing in being weak. One should be strong and tough otherwise life blows you away. For me powerlessness is the root of all evils. So whatever culture subjects a woman to a man, weakens the woman and renders her vulnerable. If you see marriage as a beautiful thing, then divorce is an evil to you. If others see marriage as a bondage or an abuse, then a divorce is gracious exit. So divorces are perspective based. Divorce regimes I know in the West favour an equitable distribution of property because women are always worse off in marriages. Their careers tend to die off, they become too dependent on their spouses. So it appears unfair to throw them out of marriages in penury because they committed their futures to their spouses. I think if divorces were stricter and tougher in terms against women, the better. At least that would discourage women from jumping into marriages. 6 Likes |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by Nobody: 9:53am On Dec 14, 2014 |
Kay17:What sort of dignity exactly. Where's the dignity in running down the family system? Or doing work you really don't need at the expense of one's family? I asked if you were married and you're yet to answer. 1 Like |
Re: View Point: Feminism Threatens Marriage And Family Values. by Kay17: 10:05am On Dec 14, 2014 |
Timbuktou: If the family system survives with turning women into subhumans then it must go. The family is supposed to be a means to happiness, not an end of happiness. 3 Likes |
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