AugustineAgain:


Google the meaning of combat radius.

Don't answer my question with a question, I asked first, what's the combat radius of SAN Super Lynx helicopter struggling to chase pirates that have long range and high endurance speed boats?

SAN getting dribbled by pirates, that your Lynx helicopter will drop dead into the ocean when fuel finishes with its short range
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Ok, since you wont answer my question.

The range of the lynx is 528km
The range of the valour class is 15 000km

So, it has a range of 15 528km

And, remember, that South African waters are piracy free, yours are not. So who's navy is being dribbled by pirates?

AugustineAgain:


Show source to prove SAN repayed any part of the Submarine loan, or else the bank manager will auction your Submarines in black market o !
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68% of the Loans repaid so far
http://www.lhr.org.za/news/2014/arms-deal-cost-r46bn-treasury-reveals

AugustineAgain:


There are dozens of Mirage and Harrier versions over the decades.

In 1982 Falkalands war, the engaging Harriers were better than the Mirages they fought and sh.ot down the Mirages like houseflies vs insecticide. No contest
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No, answer my question.

Are you saying the RN Harriers are better than Argentine Mirages?

Answer the question so I can teach you why the Harrier shot so many of them down.

AugustineAgain:


The number of Islamic faithfuls in Nigeria is 3 times more than the whole population of all religions combined for the whole country of Canada
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So what?

It doesnt change the fact that huge groups of up to 300 or so men are roving across your contry destroying and killing and your army is unable to do anything about it

AugustineAgain:


You think in real life you will sail a frigate against a country like Angola and Nigeria and they will be looking at you ?


1. Umkhonto missile will be countered by Su-30 or F-7 chaff and flares and waste away your missiles.

2. 76mm naval gun is useless against high speed jets

3. 20mm cannon is useless against high speed jets

4. RWS is a short range 12.7mm machine gun for killing small boats on the sea

5. Denel CIWS gun has NO single AHEAD ammo, and it is only one unit at the back and useless against front/bow/stern attacks

6. Machine guns, which one? GPMG in the hands of men with range to kill fish?

7. Ship's company with assault rifles, R4 rifle against Su-30 jet or F-7 jet? You think its police vs armed robbers on the street?


The jet pilot will use chaff and flare counter measures to waste ALL your Umkhonto missiles, all the RWS, CIWS, Oerlikon guns have short range below 4km against fast air borne target, then the F-7 or Su-30 jet will fire a mixed salvo 6km range rocket pods salvo of high explosive and incendiary on your valour frigate and turn your ship into a burning fireball at sea, SAN frigates will sink in 30 minutes.

You don't know why Britain had to sail with an air force on aircraft carrier to fight Falklands war? Fear of Argentine air force jets !

PHOTOS : SU-30 WITH FLARES FOR SELF-DEFENSE AND MASSIVE ROCKET PODS BONANZA FOR ATTACK !

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1. Yeah sure, because flares work 100% of the time.

2. For once you are correct

3. Why?

4. RWS can still engage air targets and has an effective range of 1,8km

5. CIWS system is armed with AHEAD ammo and is very accurate, it will eat them for breakfast

Your F-7 poses no threat to the valour class, and which magical rocket of yours has a 7km range?

AugustineAgain:


Gripen radar is about 10 years older than F-7NI radar.

NATO radar technology advances with date of development, they don't reverse back to worse technology, they improve. They are not dullards like you Soweto fish-brains
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Why wont you answer the question?

Show us how it is better

O, wait, you cant

AugustineAgain:


SA has highly rated university infrastructure prodiucing poorly rated university graduates
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Says the guy who is still trying to tell us air is more dense at altitude because of "snow"

AugustineAgain:


Whites control Nobel prize awards.

The man with the fastest brain in the world is an Igbo-man Nigerian, Dr.Philip Emeagwali, the whites didn't give him a Nobel prize.....they find his extraordinary mathematical achievemnt an embarrassment to the white race
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Yeah sure, its all a "white" conspiracy

Problem is, 16 people of color have won the nobel prize.

And your man Philip Emeagwali does not have a PHD

You dont need to scratch deep to see the massive racial insecurity you nigerians have. Instead of blaming yourselves for producing only 1 Nobel Prize winner, you blame the "white man"

Typical

agaugust:


Nigeria is competition and threat to the whites who award Nobel prizes, South African Boer white population is an ally to the Europeans on behalf of the other South African races
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Yeah sure, its all a big conspiracy

Nigeria is only a threat to itself

agaugust:


Valour frigate CIWS has no AHEAD ammo. Your freaking CIWS has only 4km max range and only one unit on board.

The bolded part is the magic, yes ! I am flying my F-7 jet backwards, surprised? A good F-7 pilot will sink a Valour frigate, NAF is master of air to surface combat in all Africa today, even Egypt CANNOT match Nigeria in air to ground combat skills and current experience
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Who says we dont have CIWS?

And you have been destroyed, chaff wont save you because you are flying towards the target and the missiles

Nigeria is master of nothing other than the consumption of cassava

agaugust:


LOL....NAF F-7NI Italian Grifo 7 advanced radar has over 40km air and 20km ground detection range . It's free info on NAF Wiki page.

How do you think PAF's F-7 ground attack squadrons attack? Even old MiG-21 has radar. Olodo Domingo art thou

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Uhmkonto has 15km range

So, he detects the Valour class 20km away

He is moving at Mach 2

He thus has 7.34 seconds to change course and heading and prepare his attack before he starts being engaged by missiles

He has no means of defending these missiles, and must fly right up to the Valour Class to attack it

Not to mention that a singe valour class carry's more Uhmkonto than Nigeria has F-7's

agaugust:


Go two pages back, I just proved that in real war (Which South Africa has not fought since almost 70 years) Jets use ordinary bombs and cannon to sink modern warships that have anti-aircraft missiles, while the jet aircraf have no single PGM.

I thought you said your Soweto universites have upgraded your brains to top ranking and rating by some senseless rating agency ?

First, Nigeria has never fought a "real war"

Second, F-7's will be picked off 15km away from the Valour Class as you have no defence against SAM's

Fourth, you has to viable weapons systems with which to engage the valor class

agaugust:


You fought bush war with frigates vs jets ?

has Nigeria ever fought a war of frigates v jets?

agaugust:


Subject matter was air to sea warfare. Do you know the meaning of 'context' or 'subject matter' ?

#MovingTheGoalPosts

agaugust:


Emotions don't win you a war. It's a game of mutual death, war is kill and get killed in return.

Your navy Umkhonto SAM's weakness are it's range, ceiling, speed, and easy to counter guidance system.

SAN does NOT have a weapon we cannot defeat, we have 'liquefying' solutions to all your 'solids'

We Nigerians will continue to teach you war history from 1914 to 2014......Learn my boy !!!

Argentine air force showed the world how obsolete aircraft like Skyhawk jets and Daggers/Nesher jets including ordinary trainers like MBB-339 light jets can sink navy ships without guided missiles, old warplanes with ordinary free fall bombs and gun fire from cannon destroyed British Royal navy warships that has anti-aircraft missile defenses.

A pity Argentina has old and expired bombs that the air force pilots dropped on target but did not explode, they landed right inside the British warships !

Imagine if the Argentines had 3.5 generation or 4th generation jets with chaff-flares self defense and rocket pods with 6km range which are freely available today, Britain would have lost almost all her warships.



Naval History Homepage and Site Search


Part of the PRICE PAID (Parts 50-55)

Part 52. BRITISH SHIPS LOST & DAMAGED


Note: If the frequent unexploded bombs (1-13) had detonated on striking some of the ships listed below, the Royal Navy's additional losses might quite possibly have put the eventual success of the British Task Force in doubt.

Saturday 1st May

HMS Alacrity - slightly damaged by bomb near misses

HMS Arrow - slightly damaged by cannon fire

HMS Glamorgan - slightly damaged by bomb near misses, all off Stanley by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6.

Wednesday 12th May

HMS Glasgow - moderately damaged off Stanley by unexploded bomb (1) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Bomb passed through hull but damage took some days to repair and she shortly returned to UK.

Friday 21st May

HMS Antrim - seriously damaged in Falkland Sound outside San Carlos Water by unexploded bomb (2) dropped by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6. UXB removed but damage took some days to repair.

HMS Broadsword - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6.

HMS Argonaut - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by rockets and cannon fire from Aermacchi MB.339A of CANA 1 Esc, and then seriously damaged by two unexploded bombs (3/4) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Removing the UXB's and carrying out repairs took a number of days and although declared operational, she soon sailed for the UK.

HMS Brilliant - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6. (Different attack from "Broadsword"wink

HMS ARDENT - badly damaged in Grantham Sound by bombs - hits, UXB's (5+) and near misses - dropped by Daggers of Grupo 6, then mortally damaged by bombs from A-4Q Skyhawks of CANA 3 Esc off North West Island. Sank the following evening.

Sunday 23rd May

HMS ANTELOPE - damaged in San Carlos Water by two unexploded bombs (6/7) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of Grupo 5. One of the bombs exploded that evening while being defused and she caught fire and sank next day.

Monday 24th May

RFA Sir Galahad - damaged by unexploded bomb (cool and out of action for some days,

RFA Sir Lancelot - damaged by unexploded bomb (9) and not fully operational for almost three weeks,

RFA Sir Bedivere - slightly damaged by glancing bomb, all in San Carlos Water probably by A-4C Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 4.

Tuesday 25th May

HMS Broadsword - damaged north of Pebble Island by bomb from A-4B Skyhawk of Grupo 5 bouncing up through her stern and out again to land in the sea.

HMS COVENTRY - sunk north of Pebble Island in same attack by three bombs.

ATLANTIC CONVEYOR - mortally damaged north east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and later sank in tow.

Saturday 29th May

British Wye - hit north of South Georgia by bomb dropped by C-130 Hercules of FAA Grupo 1 which bounced into the sea without exploding

Tuesday 8th June

HMS Plymouth - damaged in Falkland Sound off San Carlos Water by four unexploded bombs (10-13) from Daggers of FAA Grupo 6.

RFA SIR GALAHAD - mortally damaged off Fitzroy by bombs from A-4B Skyhawks of Grupo 5 and burnt out. Later in June towed out to sea and sunk as a war grave.

RFA Sir Tristram - badly damaged off Fitzroy in same attack and abandoned, but later returned to UK and repaired.

LCU F4, HMS Fearless - sunk in Choiseul Sound by bomb from A-4B Skyhawk of Grupo 5.




History warns you not to sail frigates into war against an air force that has jet fighters like Nigeria
. We will tactically fly out of your missile defense range and ceiling while we employ long range rockets in pod salvos from safe distance. NAF is the most experienced air to ground attacking force in Africa today 2014, even Egypt cannot match NAF in such skill and experiance

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Let me explain something to you

The RN didnt have air-defence frigates (first)

Second, the Argentine jets are better than yours

Third, its not 1980 anymore, technology has moved on, your jets have not

Nigeria poses no threat, you will be engaged and shot down from 15km out, coming closer you will be engaged by CRAM systems and shot down

All of it automated, and machines dont make mistakes

agaugust:


15 million out of 50 million South Africans have ZERO access to electricity and TOO POOR to buy generator
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85 million Nigerians dont have acess to electricity

There are more Nigerians without electricity than there are South Africans

agaugust:


I am not a push button recycling machine to repead sources 20 times for 20 different South Africans on demand, it does not add any dollar to my pocket, it's just a waste of time. Rather, I will watch TV.

I have said it 3 times today, if you are in for a honest debate, Google Nigerian alr force wikipedia, aircraft inventory. Hey, seems you are not worth replying the way I see it, I get pissed of by open dishonesty and deliberate insincerity.

Enjoy your trolling troll ! You are NOT worth my time...

Lol, Auguggubugug is running away again

agaugust:


I live where blacks get killed by whites just because they are blacks.

Not all whites are racist, I have a very nice and fatherly white boss, he built my career and made me what I am today.

Just different strokes for different folks. White cops are the worst offenders.

The man in question was a known criminal whom attacked a police officer and went for his gun.

Race had nothing to do with it.

And augugbugug, you dont live in America. The fact that you suddenly refuse to post your uniform and gun confirms it!

agaugust:


You want me to post photo of how your Soweto rats Inkatha/Buthelezi and Mandela/ANC mass killed and mass murdered one another like chicken after the white man handed over power to you? Buthelezi dia ris God o ! You blacks messed up South Africa and the whites are running away to Europe, America, Australia

You live in a glass house don't throw stones.

[img]http://wird.com.ua/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Corbis-42-20136711-1.jpg[/img]

Says the guy who's country has had two civil wars and decades of dictatorships (one of whom has over a million dead on his hands), 18 rebel groups and is a piracy and human trafficking hub?

O god the irony, i cant handle it

Btw, white population of South Africa is growing

MduZA:


good night...dont forget to switch off your generator

You mean your candles and bush lamps? Eskom and the nationwide load shedding in South Africa should be the reason to shut up and go to bed even without a generator! Tell us something else!

patches689:


85 million Nigerians dont have acess to electricity

There are more Nigerians without electricity than there are South Africans

It's more like 120 million Nigerians without electricity

www.thenationonlineng.net/new/120-million-nigerians-lack-access-to-electricity-says-minister/

NaijaPikinGidi:


You mean your candles and bush lamps? Eskom and the nationwide load shedding in South Africa should be the reason to shut up and go to bed even without a generator! Tell us something else!

Sorry to inform you... we will have a good festive season http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/no-power-cuts-until-jan-eskom-2014-12-12


In the meantime the all black nation of Nigeria will have a black Christmas, as usual

EVarn:
thats your own opinion.to some people,the black race is seen as inferior and needs to be exterminated,while to some the white race is a clan of ruthless predators who arrogantly strutt around the world in the vain pompousity of their over-inflated self worth.you say that in SA,both white and black live in peace and harmony,but i assure you that you do not speak the mind of quite a majority of black south africans who view afrikaaners as trespassers,arrogant thieves and 'boers' to be hunted down like common bush rabbit,neither did you take into consideration the disgruntled afrikaaners who view black saffers as a conglomerate of evolved chimpazees who are not fit to govern themselves talk less of a biracial country.

Yes no doubt their are people who think the way you just said, but thinking like that wont help anyone, luckily i was born in a post apartheid South Africa, thus i was able to be objective in my views about the government, thats way i said earlier that statistically Mbeki was our best president in terms of the economy, and times are changing in SA more and more and more people realizing that ZUMA is incompetent of running this country, and if the ANC dont make drastic changes they will stand a good chance of loosing the 2019 elections.

NaijaPikinGidi:


You mean your candles and bush lamps? Eskom and the nationwide load shedding in South Africa should be the reason to shut up and go to bed even without a generator! Tell us something else!

lol...what a consolation comment

patches689:


85 million Nigerians dont have acess to electricity

There are more Nigerians without electricity than there are South Africans

It is worth more than that.

agaugust:


15 million out of 50 million South Africans have ZERO access to electricity and TOO POOR to buy generator
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That is ludicrous. SA has only 2 million households in informal settlement without electricity as at 2014/12/14. All the towns, villages and townships in SA are electrified and only those households in remote villages which are located on the mountains and where it is virtually impossible to erect poles are without electricity.

agaugust:


Use any language, it's not a permanent seat, South Africa will end it's term and go, another country will take over your seat, you become ordinary floor member again....get it ?

We can contest over and over if we want and rule on that chair for many years.

agaugust:


Valour frigate CIWS has no AHEAD ammo. Your freaking CIWS has only 4km max range and only one unit on board.

The bolded part is the magic, yes ! I am flying my F-7 jet backwards, surprised? A good F-7 pilot will sink a Valour frigate, NAF is master of air to surface combat in all Africa today, even Egypt CANNOT match Nigeria in air to ground combat skills and current experience
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I do not see any importance of an Ahead ammo on the CIWS. An ordinary R4 round will penetrate F7 fighter.


Meanwhile, The denel™ CIWS system uses AHEAD ammo particularly to fire at missiles.



http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denel_35mm_Dual_Purpose_Gun

jln115:
Yes no doubt their are people who think the way you just said,but thinking like that wont help anyone,luckily i was born in a post apartheid South Africa,thus i was able to be objective in my views about the government,thats way i said earlier that statistically Mbeki was our best president in terms of the economy,and times are changing in SA more and more and more people realizing that ZUMA is incompetent of running this country,and if the ANC dont make drastic changes they will stand a good chance of loosing the 2019 elections

indeed.zuma is a thieving crook that needs to be expelled from the south african government system.as it stands,in nigeria,goodluck jonathan is almost 100% sure to be voted out next year,though he did good to the economy,the man is very undiplomatic.can you imagine a president saying that:
*"common stealing isnt corruption"
*"boko haram are my brothers,and i cant kill my brothers"
*"i will not declare my asset,and i dont give a damn about it"

EVarn:
indeed.zuma is a thieving crook that needs to be expelled from the south african government system.as it stands,in nigeria,goodluck jonathan is almost 100% sure to be voted out next year,though he did good to the economy,the man is very undiplomatic.can you imagine a president saying that:
*"common stealing isnt corruption"
*"boko haram are my brothers,and i cant kill my brothers"
*"i will not declare my asset,and i dont give a damn about it"

Nope, Jonathan cannot go now, we love him so much. He is very good at us. No, you can't say that.

FighterPilot:

Nope, Jonathan cannot go now, we love him so much. He is very good at us. No, you can't say that.

who are the 'we'?

FighterPilot:


I do not see any importance of an Ahead ammo on the CIWS. An ordinary R4 round will penetrate F7 fighter.


Meanwhile, The denel™ CIWS system uses AHEAD ammo particularly to fire at missiles.



http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denel_35mm_Dual_Purpose_Gun

Show me where SANDF imported AHEAD ammo from Germany. Gripen jet uses anti-ship missile, yet do you have it? NO !

Your DENEL gun fires locally made ordinary ammo. FACT !
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