Kay17:


If the family system survives with turning women into subhumans then it must go. The family is supposed to be a means to happiness, not an end of happiness.

Women are not regarded as sub-humans, you and your feminist colleagues view them so because you are feel entiltled. Women in marriage and romantic relationships are steps below their man. Hypergamy alone has inferiorated your species.

Secondly, you should realise that once the family is officially destroyed the society is gone. How many men do you think will agree to become mere sperrm donors? The family was never a means to happiness, it was a means to safeguarding the order and continuity of society. It is your new age teachings that have changed the meaning and purpose of marriage.

Timbuktou:
Women are not regarded as sub-humans, you and your feminist colleagues view them so because you are feel entiltled. Women in marriage and romantic relationships are steps below their man. Hypergamy alone has inferiorated your species.

Secondly, you should realise that once the family is officially destroyed the society is gone. How many men do you think will agree to become mere sperrm donors? The family was never a means to happiness, it was a means to safeguarding the order and continuity of society. It is your new age teachings that have changed the meaning and purpose of marriage.

Do you agree with me that marriages suppress the potentials of women? Because from your arguments above you seem to do so.

Kay17:


Do you agree with me that marriages suppress the potentials of women? Because from your arguments above you seem to do so.

How do you mean suppresses the potentials of women? What exactly is this "potentials"?

Kay17:

You are not considering barriers such as sexual harassment from employers, gender bias in the workplace and women dropping out of their careers to raise families. But your mind is fixated on incompetence as the sole reason for the low rates.

these factors don't affect women alone. men have also been sëxually harassed at work. just because we don't moan about it like rhesus monkeys doesn't mean it doesn't happen. women dropping out of their careers to raise families further reinforces my point that such roles don't naturally suit the female gender.

it's biology or nature, nothing to do with subjugation. no matter how much a woman feels he can compete with the opposite gender, the chicken will always return to the roost. the question then remains - why start the career at all when we all know there's a point where majority of them would abandon the ship to raise rugrats?

Kay17:

Do you agree with me that marriages suppress the potentials of women? Because from your arguments above you seem to do so.

marriage doesn't suppress the potentials of women - child rearing does! you can marry and decide not to have a child, that will not affect your career one jot! nature designed women to get pregnant - that factor is what suppresses their potentials, marriage has got nothing to do with it.

coogar:


these factors don't affect men alone. men have also been sëxually harassed at work. just because we don't moan about it like rhesus monkeys doesn't mean it doesn't happen. women dropping out of their careers to raise families further reinforces my point that such roles don't naturally suit the female gender.

it's biology or nature, nothing to do with subjugation. no matter how much a woman feels he can compete with the opposite gender, the chicken will always return to the roost. the question then remains - why start the career at all when we all know there's a point where majority of them would abandon the ship to raise rugrats?

marriage doesn't suppress the potentials of women - child rearing does! you can marry and decide not to have a child, that will not affect your career one jot! nature designed women to get pregnant - that factor is what suppresses their potentials, marriage has got nothing to do with it.

Sex harassment on men is not as widespread and ubiquitous as that against women. It is an epidemic, and most women are subjected to it.

The feminists want to wipe out marriage so there wouldn't be any marriage burden on their careers. And less women would drop out of line. Child birth and rearing etc are incidents of marriage, so if marriage is dumped totally, more women would work and threaten position of the chauvinists.

Kay17:


Sex harassment on men is not as widespread and ubiquitous as that against women. It is an epidemic, and most women are subjected to it.

The feminists want to wipe out marriage so there wouldn't be any marriage burden on their careers. And less women would drop out of line. Child birth and rearing etc are incidents of marriage, so if marriage is dumped totally, more women would work and threaten position of the chauvinists.

You're a funny somebody.

Do you realise the implication of eliminating the family institution?

Kay17:

Sex harassment on men is not as widespread and ubiquitous as that against women. It is an epidemic, and most women are subjected to it

it is the same - men don't just speak about it so it's under-reported.

The feminists want to wipe out marriage so there wouldn't be any marriage burden on their careers. And less women would drop out of line. Child birth and rearing etc are incidents of marriage, so if marriage is dumped totally, more women would work and threaten position of the chauvinists.

only married people get pregnant?
wiping off marriage cannot stop women getting pregnant. unless you implant wombs in men, there's no way out of it. this is why i said it is nature that put this burden on women, not men or marriage.

coogar:


it is!
99% of all human achievements are by men. where are the women? few minorities mean when you look at any group of intellectuals from science to inventions to finance to politics, men always always outnumber the women & i don't think there's any law restricting women to become what they wanna become.



why this belief when women have had equal opportunities as the men for at least the last 100 years? were there no women in bill gates' class? steve jobs? where are they today? what have they invented?



you are pulling this out of the stratosphere - there's no excuse for any woman not to be what she wishes. the truth is - a woman's mental capacity in general terms cannot cope when the demand is extremely tasking. men are more suited to such roles.



if it's really a divine curse - there's no escaping it. humans cannot & can never overcome the curse God placed on them in eden.

This is just so stupid.
I could also ask what happened to the rest of the men in Bill gates class who were obviously more in no than their female counterpart.
Even right now in my class, the no of guys we have there is more than the females. However, the brilliant ones in my class are mostly the females.
What I'm saying is even when education has been made available to women, only few had access to it.

Shirley07:

This is just so stupid.
I could also ask what happened to the rest of the men in Bill gates class who were obviously more in no than their female counterpart.
Even right now in my class, the no of guys we have there is more than the females. However, the brilliant ones in my class are mostly the females.
What I'm saying is even when education has been made available to women, only few had access to it.

so whose fault is it that women shun education? even the ones that get summa cüm laude in top universities soon abandon their certificates to raise a family......there's no system working against you to reach where you want to be......blame your ovaries!

coogar:


what i mean is - she was specially created to carry a man's baby. that's the primary purpose of women. a man puts his seeds in her & she must carry the baby to term with the body features she was blessed with -

propping her to do other things is just trying to be politically correct. generally, women are not cut for such roles.

•FTSE 100 - only 5 female CEOs
•british engineers - only 9% are females
•american engineers - only 18% are females
•world leaders - only 20 are females in 280 countries.

why these disproportionate figures? do women not go to school?

Right on point. Females are obviously blessed with everything to equip them and enhance their adaptation, survival and continuity without the need of men, save for their sperm. If only women know their power, they won't allow men to hush them around.
And dont try to bullshit us with those your stup!d washed down stats. The question you should ask yourself is at what time females were allowed to have access to education?

Shirley07:

Right on point. Females are obviously blessed with everything to equip them and enhance their adaptation, survival and continuity without the need of men, save for their sperm. If only women know their power, they won't allow men to hush them around.
And dont try to bullshit us with those your stup!d washed down stats. The question you should ask yourself is at what time females were allowed to have access to education?

more than 100 years ago....
all the 95% FTSE CEOs have women as classmates when they were studying.....so where are all these women today? probably learning how to bake cake or have become full housewives perhaps.

coogar:


so whose fault is it that women shun education? even the ones that get summa cum laude in top universities abandon their certificates to raise a family......there's no system working against you to reach where you want to be......blame your ovaries!

My ovaries work quite well for me, same can't be said about your testis.
Back to topic, engage your brain and understand some family don't train their female children neither do some bank even grant student loan to female coupled with all form sexual harrassment they get from male lecturers are things that hold them back.

coogar:


more than 100 years ago....
all the 95% FTSE CEOs have women as classmates when they were studying.....so where are all these women today? probably learning how to bake cake or have become full housewives perhaps.

How many did they have with them? From your comment, we can deduce that all the men in that class turned out to be CEO and great men. Isn't it?

Shirley07:

My ovaries work quite well for me, same can't be said about your testis.
Back to topic, engage your brain and understand some family don't train their female children neither do some bank even grant student loan to female coupled with all form sexual harrassment they get from male lecturers are things that hold them back.

stop talking nonsense....
every child has access to free education in the west. when we are talking about female inventors, you really think the scope is about africans? are you a doofus? we are talking about white females - not your mgbeke types!

Shirley07:

How many did they have with them? From your comment, we can deduce that all the men in that class turned out to be CEO and great men. Isn't it?

you need brain nutrients!
if women & men had access to free education as far back as the 40s, there's no reason a staggering 95% of the CEOs in the FTSE100 should be men. if it's 60:40 ratio or 55:45 ratio then it's understandable but 95:5?

christ!

coogar:


stop talking nonsense....
every child has access to free education in the west. when we are talking about female inventors, you really think the scope is about africans? are you a doofus? we are talking about white females - not your mgbeke types!



you need brain nutrients!
if women & men had access to free education as far back as the 40s, there's no reason a staggering 95% of the CEOs in the FTSE100 should be men. if it's 60:40 ratio or 55:45 ratio then it's understandable but 95:5?

christ!

But I'm in Nigeria. And are you saying all those things I listed only happens in africa? How about those turkish people who discriminate against females? Whatever.
And I'm asking you again what happened to the rest of the men in Bill Gate's class?
Let me also ask you, what have you invented or done that a woman can't? Lets start from here. Stop leeching on other people archivement.

Shirley07:

But I'm in Nigeria. And are you saying all those things I listed only happens in africa? How about those turkish people who discriminate against females? Whatever.

so bill gates, steve jobs, etc are turkish?

And I'm asking you again what happened to the rest of the men in Bill Gate's class?
Let me also ask you, what have you invented or done that a woman can't? Lets start from here. Stop leeching on other people archivement.

the men in bill gates' class must be doing something good elsewhere in other fields - the point is women have had more than 100 years in free education in the developed world & none of them has pulled any trees. that should be your concern & stop using your mgbeke village lens to view a global issue.

coogar:


so bill gates, steve jobs, etc are turkish?



the men in bill gates' class must be doing something good elsewhere in other fields - the point is women have had more than 100 years in free education in the developed world & none of them has pulled any trees. that should be your concern & stop using your mgbeke village lens to view a global issue.

Same with the women.
Stop asking me if Bill and Steve are turkish, were you not the one who said the conversation should be centred on the white? Arrant Nonsense!
I will ask you again, what have you invented?

Timbuktou:
You're a funny somebody.

Do you realise the implication of eliminating the family institution?

The two major arguments against slavery were;

1. The release of slaves would create a floodgate and drown society in chaos. The proponents of slavery argued that order was paramount and as a result, slaves shouldn't be granted their liberty.

2. They argued that all major civilizations are built on the shoulders of slavery. They said a complex civilization is ordered by ranks, the most intelligent and valuable people are at the apex and the slaves are at the foundation. That without the foundation, their civilization would collapse.

And these are the same arguments thrown about here. 'Marriage is not the happiness of women, but society needs marriage'.

Shirley07:

Same with the women.
Stop asking me if Bill and Steve are turkish, were you not the one who said the conversation should be centred on the white? Arrant Nonsense!
I will ask you again, what have you invented?

you are hopelessly stüpid!
the men in bill gates' class are the ones bossing the FTSE100 - where female CEOs aren't more than 5......out of 100 positions.

then it's clear you are an illiterate when you mentioned turkey. turkey isn't a developed country - it's not different from nigeria. focus on the developed countries where women have had more than 100 years of education.

how's what i have invented gotta do with the discussion? am i caucasian? are you? when you start getting personal over smaller issues like this then you further reinforce my beliefs that you, as a woman, cannot be logical without a dose of emotional outbursts.

you are a disgrace to your gender!

coogar:


so bill gates, steve jobs, etc are turkish?



the men in bill gates' class must be doing something good elsewhere in other fields - the point is women have had more than 100 years in free education in the developed world & none of them has pulled any trees. that should be your concern & stop using your mgbeke village lens to view a global issue.

Same with the women.
Why the question on Steve and Bill being turkish? Weren't you the one that said the conversation should be centred on the whites? Or are the turkish black? Shior.
Anyway, the question of the day still remains, 'what have you invented?'

Kay17:


The two major arguments against slavery were;

1. The release of slaves would create a floodgate and drown society in chaos. The proponents of slavery argued that order was paramount and as a result, slaves shouldn't be granted their liberty.

2. They argued that all major civilizations are built on the shoulders of slavery. They said a complex civilization is ordered by ranks, the most intelligent and valuable people are at the apex and the slaves are at the foundation. That without the foundation, their civilization would collapse.

And these are the same arguments thrown about here. 'Marriage is not the happiness of women, but society needs marriage'.

1. There exists a different type of slavery. What do you call a 9-5? Slavery is important to mankind.

2. Socialisation is still built on ranks of a different kind. The most productive and efficient are at the top and at the base you find the dregs of society.


Is marriage the happiness of men, then?

coogar:


you are hopelessly stüpid!
the men in bill gates' class are the ones bossing the FTSE100 - where female CEOs aren't more than 5......out of 100 positions.

then it's clear you are an illiterate when you mentioned turkey. turkey isn't a developed country - it's not different from nigeria. focus on the developed countries where women have had more than 100 years of education.

how's what i have invented gotta do with the discussion? am i caucasian? are you? when you start getting personal over smaller issues like this then you further reinforce my beliefs that you, as a woman, cannot be logical without a dose of emotional outbursts.

you are a disgrace to your gender!

Getting personal? Don't have time for that. I'm just finding you funny. Coogar the same yesterday, today and forever. No ounce of improvement.
What have you invented that makes you better than the female out there is the question?
I believe there are geniuses out there that are better than anyone, including you but using them as yardsticks to belittle female just shows how foolish you are.

Shirley07:

Getting personal? Don't have time for that. I'm just finding you funny. Coogar the same yesterday, today and forever. No ounce of improvement.
What have you invented that makes you better than the female out there is the question?
I believe there are geniuses out there that are better than anyone, including you but using them as yardsticks to belittle female just shows how foolish you are.

you are a foolish human being!
if there are female geniuses like you put it, there would be 50 of them in FTSE-100, there would be at least 140 female presidents in the world. female engineers won't be a mere 9% of all british engineers.

you don't even know turkey is the same category as nigeria & you want to engage me in a debate about the roles of women in human achievements. you need a complete education all over again before you can start.

your IQ is less than your bra size.

coogar:


you are a foolish human being!
if there are female geniuses like you put it, there would be 50 of them in FTSE-100, there would be at least 140 female presidents in the world. female engineers won't be a mere 9% of all british engineers.

you don't even know turkey is the same category as nigeria & you want to engage me in a debate about the roles of women in human achievements. you need a complete education all over again before you can start.

your IQ is less than your bra size.

You should have thought of it before saying 'the whites'. It's not really a suprise 'cos for a start, you have no brain to engage but to regurgitate.
Let see just how foolish you are by asking you this, How many women were in Bills' class? Did all the men in Bills' class turn out to be great men? How about naming those that turned out to be CEO and great men?

Lastly, what have you invented? I'm sure you can't even answer the questions. Such a stup!d person with stup!d reasoning.

Shirley07:

You have thought of it before saying 'the whites'. It's not really a suprise to me 'cos for a start, you have no brain to engage but to regurgitate.
Let see just how foolish you are by asking you this, How many women were in Bills' class? Did all the men in Bills' class turn out to be great men? How about naming those that turned out to be CEO and great men?
Lastly, what have you invented? I'm sure you can't even answer the questions. Such a stup!d person with stup!d reasoning.

if bill gates' classmates didn't turn out good, who are the men bossing the FTSE100 then? aliens? where are the women? if you look within NASA(the breeding ground of geniuses) too, only 18% of their active astronauts are women.

you are a foolish woman!
your argument holds no ground - the number of women in bill gates' class bears no relevance, there's no law in the constitution that prohibits women from studying any course they wish to study.

i don't even know how your stüpid self got into this intellectual discourse with your mgbeke mentality. when it's time to discuss the viability of tomatoes & red pepper in the dry season, we shall call for you to give us your expert opinion. this discourse is intellectually out of your league.

coogar:


if bill gates' classmates didn't turn out good, who are the men bossing the FTSE100 then? aliens? where are the women? if you look within NASA(the breeding ground of geniuses) too, only 18% of their active astronauts are women.

you are a foolish woman!
your argument holds no ground - the number of women in bill gates' class bears no relevance, there's no law in the constitution that prohibits women from studying any course they wish to study.

i don't even know how your stüpid self got into this intellectual discourse with your mgbeke mentality. when it's time to discuss the viability of tomatoes & red pepper in the dry season, we shall call for you to give us your expert opinion. this discourse is intellectually out of your league.

You didn't answer the question?
So the men bossing FTSE100 are Bill's clasmmates and all the men in his class? Shior.

Shirley07:

You didn't answer the question?
So the men bossing FTSE100 are Bill's clasmmates and all the men in his class? Shior.

one of bill gates' classmates is paul allen. they attended a private school together & today he's worth $17 billion. ballmer is another of his classmate at havard - he's worth $22 billion & he's the owner of LA clippers.

so you see, few of BG's classmates later went on to become successful in their own path. mark zuckerberg is also a good example. where are his female equivalents? scratch that - who is the female equivalent of seun osewa in naija abi there were no women in his class?

biko, accept your position & stop ranting.

Timbuktou:


1. There exists a different type of slavery. What do you call a 9-5? Slavery is important to mankind.

2. Socialisation is still built on ranks of a different kind. The most productive and efficient are at the top and at the base you find the dregs of society.


Is marriage the happiness of men, then?

Since we have agreed marriage is not in the interest or happiness of women, it is fair for some women to reject it. We often reject things that diminish our lives. Things without value.

Kay17:


Since we have agreed marriage is not in the interest or happiness of women, it is fair for some women to reject it. We often reject things that diminish our lives. Things without value.

Don't twist my words madam. Marriage is in the interest of neither sex.

coogar:


one of bill gates' classmates is paul allen. they attended a private school together & today he's worth $17 billion. ballmer is another of his classmate at havard - he's worth $22 billion & he's the owner of LA clippers.

so you see, few of BG's classmates later went on to become successful in their own path. mark zuckerberg is also a good example. where are his female equivalents? scratch that - who is the female equivalent of seun osewa in naija abi there were no women in his class?

biko, accept your position & stop ranting.

You keep shifting your arguments. For every sphere of life, there is always a woman in it; but the examples are not proofs to you but exceptions. If I asked for the men in Ayn Rand's class, you wouldn't provide one. You would fall back on some statistics limited to STEM, and blame women's inherent incompetence which the 'exceptions' in your view can not defeat. And when the true reasons for the low stats emerge, you would blame marriage and wombs of women.

But Coogar, you have to pick one and stick to it. Otherwise you seem like a joke.

Timbuktou:
Don't twist my words madam. Marriage is in the interest of neither sex.

So why erect conceit as a duty?!

Kay17:


So why erect conceit as a duty?!

Married men have earned the right to conceit. A married man in the true sense of the concept is an established person. He's at the top of the social pyramid. Nature has placed the woman under the man where romance, family and marriage are concerned. You can fight it all you want, or you can embrace reality.