Nobody is in heaven and nobody is going to heaven, stop deceiving yourselves.

God's plan is for this earth to be renewed for the righteous to inhabit.

This craze about making heaven is a myth and should be discarded.

"See, I will create new heavens ( or skies ) and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind." - Isaiah 65:17

"But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells." - 2 Peter 3:13

"Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever." - Ecclesiastes 1:4


"As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me," declares the LORD, "so will your name and descendants endure." - Isaiah 66:22

"Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. " - Matthew 5:5

"Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever." Ecclesiastes 1:4

Nwanne Jehova witness Nno...

Abeg since dey emailed u dis fact, help mii reply them say we no nid heaven on earth cous Alomo, orijin, monkey tail wuld now b smuggled in nd it will b expensive.

Really? But are there requisites to be in that "new earth"? Will there be distinctions btw the righteous n the unrighteous? Coming back.

Frosbel again

There are people going to heaven, and there are people staying here.

MzNelly:
There are people going to heaven, and there are people staying here.

Can you show me a prophecy or story in the old testament that suggests or states this as a fact ??

frosbel:


Can you show me a prophecy or story in the old testament that suggests or states this as a fact ??

Revelation 14:1.

Frosbel,where do we go when we die since you say there is no heaven?

Where is Jesus at present?

What did jesus mean when he told one the thieves who was hanged on the cross beside him.

And he said lord remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

And Jesus said unto him,verily i say unto thee,today shalt thou be with me in PARADISE

Luke23 vs 42 - 43

josPlateau:
Frosbel,where do we go when we die since you say there is no heaven?

Where is Jesus at present?

What did jesus mean when he told one the thieves who was hanged on the cross beside him.

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They were both in pain and he was probably trying to sound optimistic.

Then again, who was listening to the conversation? Soldiers were guiding people from coming close to the cross and I don't believe Jesus spoke loud enough for people to hear considering the pain he was going through.

Unfortunately, samsung had not yet invented the S3, we would have had video or picture evidence.

MzNelly:


Revelation 14:1.

I said Old Testament.

Waiting....

josPlateau:
Frosbel,where do we go when we die since you say there is no heaven?

Nowhere

Where is Jesus at present

Right hand side of God.

What did jesus mean when he told one the thieves who was hanged on the cross beside him.

told him what ?

frosbel:


Nowhere



Right hand side of God.




told him what ?

And he said lord remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

And Jesus said unto him,verily i say unto thee,today shalt thou be with me in PARADISE

Luke23 vs 42 - 43

frosbel:


I said Old Testament.

Waiting....

Old Testament? Why's that?

I want to go to hell. Please help me.

MzNelly:


Old Testament? Why's that?

Well, because the old testament contains prophecies and pointers towards major doctrines of the bible especially on the issue of life after death.

I can't see anywhere God told Abraham that when he died he would come to heaven immediately, same goes for Noah, David, Isaac etc. Why is that ?

josPlateau:


And he said lord remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

And Jesus said unto him,verily i say unto thee,today shalt thou be with me in PARADISE

Luke23 vs 42 - 43

Okay , before I answer this question, can you answer this one :

"And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am." - John 14:3


^^^^

According to this scripture , can you tell us at what point Jesus came to take them to be with him ?

frosbel:


Well, because the old testament contains prophecies and pointers towards major doctrines of the bible especially on the issue of life after death.

I can't see anywhere God told Abraham that when he died he would come to heaven immediately, same goes for Noah, David, Isaac etc. Why is that ?

May truth and light t continue to guide you to eternal freedom. You are about to hatch. Ave Satanas

frosbel:


Well, because the old testament contains prophecies and pointers towards major doctrines of the bible especially on the issue of life after death.

I can't see anywhere God told Abraham that when he died he would come to heaven immediately, same goes for Noah, David, Isaac etc. Why is that ?

sonOfLucifer:

May truth and light t continue to guide you to eternal freedom. You are about to hatch. Ave Satanas

Birds of the same feather. A satanist supporting his colleague.

frosbel:


Well, because the old testament contains prophecies and pointers towards major doctrines of the bible especially on the issue of life after death.

I can't see anywhere God told Abraham that when he died he would come to heaven immediately, same goes for Noah, David, Isaac etc. Why is that ?

This is because the choosing of those who would go to heaven started after Jesus' death.

MzNelly:


This is because the choosing of those who would go to heaven started after Jesus' death.

Hey, missed you. Nice poem.

honourhim:

Birds of the same feather. A satanist supporting his colleague.

You post like someone who has nasty body odor.

MzNelly:

This is because the choosing of those who would go to heaven started after Jesus' death.

So what happened to those who died before Jesus ?

josPlateau:
Frosbel,where do we go when we die since you say there is no heaven?

Where is Jesus at present?

What did jesus mean when he told one the thieves who was hanged on the cross beside him.

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and you forgot that it was that same day that jesus went to hell.

frosbel:


So what happened to those who died before Jesus ?

Well, they'll be resurrected to life here on a paradise earth.
---Psalms 37:11

sonOfLucifer:

Hey, missed you. Nice poem.

Okay.

MzNelly:


Well, they'll be resurrected to life here on a paradise earth.
---Psalms 37:11

You missed my question.

If the decision of who goes to heaven was taken after Jesus died, then where did those who died before Jesus go to ?

frosbel:


You missed my question.

If the decision of who goes to heaven was taken after Jesus died, then where did those who died before Jesus go to ?

They go nowhere. They're in their various graves awaiting resurrection.

MzNelly:

They go nowhere. They're in their various graves awaiting resurrection.

Ah okay, so we are on the same page here

Now, lets move to the next point. Do you believe that people who Jesus raises from the dead will be in heaven or on earth ( paradise ) ?

frosbel:


Ah okay, so we are on the same page here

Now, lets move to the next point. Do you believe that people who Jesus raises from the dead will be in heaven or on earth ( paradise ) ?

They'll be on a paradise Earth.
Are you going somewhere with this?

MzNelly:


They'll be on a paradise Earth.
Are you going somewhere with this?

Yes.

I mentioned in my first post that no one is going to heaven and you responded by saying , and I quote ;

"There are people going to heaven, and there are people staying here."

I disagreed because my stance which I am sure is biblical only supports the fact that the righteous will dwell on this earth and not in heaven.

frosbel:


Yes.

I mentioned in my first post that no one is going to heaven and you responded by saying , and I quote ;



I disagreed because my stance which I am sure is biblical only supports the fact that the righteous will dwell on this earth and not in heaven.

I referred you to a portion in the Bible which states that there are 144,000 going to rule in heaven with Jesus over the earth.

Daniel 2:44 talks of a Kingdom which will never be brought to ruin. This kingdom will be headed with Jesus, alongside the 144,000.

MzNelly:

I referred you to a portion in the Bible which states that there are 144,000 going to rule in heaven with Jesus over the earth.
Daniel 2:44 talks of a Kingdom which will never be brought to ruin. This kingdom will be headed with Jesus, alongside the 144,000.

ah, you are a JW...Now I understand. I have few more comments to make about this later on.

thanks.