Advertico:
trust me that horror movie wont be fun mhen. But sorry to disapppoint sir, God isnt a saddist. He is Love. maybe we r talking about a different God

We are talking about the same god who created hell, so it can be useful to burn his own creations for all eternity, while he sits back and watch a horror movie that last for eternity. Such a jobless god. A sadist is exactly what he is.

Weah96:


You're forgiven. You couldn't have known how Allah and Yahweh divide their earthly resources.

Laugh wan burst my belle!!!!!

ooman:


We are talking about the same god who created hell, so it can be useful to burn his own creations for all eternity, while he sits back and watch a horror movie that last for eternity. Such a jobless god. A sadist is exactly what he is.

He's worse than a sadist!

vooks:
So, if a man's thoughts and everything in him PERISHES upon death, what is judged?
Does God RECREATE a new body that has never sinned and then loads it with memory of the guys who died and then judges them for things they never did?

Jesus said the daughter of Jairus IS SLEEPING , when she is dead ! What a fine illustration

When u ar in a deep sleep, do u know what happens in d midnight ? NO ! So also is death, scripture says " as for the dead, they know nothing at all" Ecc 9:5,10 !

Gentleman, Judgement comes after the resurection of the dead !

" the hour is coming , when all those in the GRAVES will hear the voice of the son of God and come out " - joh 5:28,29

Judgement IS YET FUTURE

" For God has SET A DAY IN WHICH HE PURPOSES TO JUDGE the inhabited earth in Righteous" Act 17:31
!

Purpose of judgement!

" For when there are judgement from God for the earth,the inhabitant of the Earth WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS"Isa 26:9

CAPTIVATOR dies in 1000BC.
Judgement is 2070AD
Who/what will God judge?
Your thoughts and anything about you ceased in 1000BC. Does God implant the memories to the FRESHLY created dummy after your image and then judge it? From whence does he restore your memory and thoughts.....?

CAPTIVATOR:


Jesus said the daughter of Jairus IS SLEEPING , when she is dead ! What a fine illustration

When u ar in a deep sleep, do u know what happens in d midnight ? NO ! So also is death, scripture says " as for the dead, they know nothing at all" Ecc 9:5,10 !

Gentleman, Judgement comes after the resurection of the dead !

" the hour is coming , when all those in the GRAVES will hear the voice of the son of God and come out " - joh 5:28,29

Judgement IS YET FUTURE

" For God has [u]SET A DAY[u] IN WHICH HE PURPOSES TO JUDGE the inhabited earth in Righteous" Act 17:31

CAPTIVATOR:


Go and vomit this fabricated religious fiction !

" YOU are dust , and to dust YOU shall return" Gen 3:19 !!!
Adam was in d dust before God created him, and when he dies HE WILL RETURN TO THE GROUND , Out of which he was taken !!!

" his spirit (breath) goes out, HE returns to the GROUND; on that day his thoughts perish" Psalm 146:4 !! When a person dies , his thoughts perish!

"and Jesus called out with a loud voice and said: "Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit. After saying this , he expired" Luke 23:46 !! His spirit is the force of life in him,.... And as a matter of scriptures, Jesus never ascend to heaven until 40 days after his RESSURECTION .(joh 20:17

False teachers misinterpreting the scripture.

frosbel:
^^^^

These Pentecostals like Fiction Novels sha, .

And the strange thing is, even though it says fiction on the front cover they read it as if it were fact

Even more shocking is, the more you quote verses debunking their 'madness', the less clearly they are able to see the truth. Very sad.

I don't have time for your "madness" in scriptural interpretations.

Queennelly:
Rev 21vs14
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. "

Hell means grave were all will go to once you are dead

Be sure of what you want to ask

clearly written that hell exist in the bible but JW would neva believe such.

vooks:

Your thoughts and anyth From whence does he restore your memory and thoughts.....?

" The wages of sin is death" Rom6:23 ! Once a person "fall ASLEEP in death" Act 7:60 , such a person has paid the penalty for his sin and thus now freed !

" he who has died , his FREE from his sin" Rom6:7

So, people are not judged base on their previous sin that has been freed !

Mankind that receive resurection will be judged base on what they did durin the Judgement Day!
" For God has SET A DAY to judge the earth ... Thru a man he has appointed ( Christ Jesus)" Act 17:31

When God set a day, it equals 1,000years ( 2pet 3:9)

This is the Christ 1,000 year reign spoken in revelation ... Those who pursue righteousness receive everlasting life ! While the wicked suffer second " DEATH" rev 21:8! Anythin dat suffers second death, "will be no more" Rev 21:4 !

"the Wicked Will b no more"psal 37:9-11

" God WILL NOT preserve the wicked alive" Job 36:6

So nothing I do on earth matters because I will be judged on the basis of my future actions during Judgement 'day'?

CAPTIVATOR:


" The wages of sin is death" Rom6:23 ! Once a person "fall ASLEEP in death" Act 7:60 , such a person has paid the penalty for his sin and thus now freed !

" he who has died , his FREE from his sin" Rom6:7

So, people are not judged base on their previous sin that has been freed !

Mankind that receive resurection will be judged base on what they did durin the Judgement Day!
" For God has SET A DAY to judge the earth ... Thru a man he has appointed ( Christ Jesus)" Act 17:31

When God set a day, it equals 1,000years ( 2pet 3:9)

This is the Christ 1,000 year reign spoken in revelation ... Those who pursue righteousness receive everlasting life ! While the wicked suffer second " DEATH" rev 21:8! Anythin dat suffers second death, "will be no more" Rev 21:4 !

"the Wicked Will b no more"psal 37:9-11

" God WILL NOT preserve the wicked alive" Job 36:6

Advertico:
1) God doesnt send people to hell, people make the choice to go to hell.
2) God is a just God. If God is just then there should be punishment for evil and reward for good.
3) hell is not meant for humans, it is meant for satan and his angels.

The question is "Is hell fire a correction facility? " Anything being a cirrectional facility is unjust.

vooks:
So nothing I do on earth matters because I will be judged on the basis of my future actions during Judgement 'day'?

Think of it this way, we are all condemned to die because of our inherited sin. So we pay the price of sin with our lives when we die, so in that sense we are freed from our bondage to sin having paid with our dear lives.

This is where Jesus Christ comes in. He paid the price of our sinful nature with his perfect human life so that those exercising faith in him will no loner perish but have everlasting life.
So the answer to your question is no. The course of action you take now can determine if you would benefit from Jesus' ransom sacrifice. Withou Jesus we are just like animals that are here today and are forever gone the next day. But with Jesus we have that hope of a resurrection.
The judgement day is a future event that is a thousand years long. During this time people would be restored to the same perfect state like Adam. And at the end of the thousand years satan would be released one last time for a very short period in what revelation described as the second test.
People will be judged based on what they in the one thousand years and during the test.

Will there be death during this period?

dorox:


Think of it this way, we are all condemned to die because of our inherited sin. So we pay the price of sin with our lives when we die, so in that sense we are freed from our bondage to sin having paid with our dear lives.

This is where Jesus Christ comes in. He paid the price of our sinful nature with his perfect human life so that those exercising faith in him will no loner perish but have everlasting life.
So the answer to your question is no. The course of action you take now can determine if you would benefit from Jesus' ransom sacrifice. Withou Jesus we are just like animals that are here today and are forever gone the next day. But with Jesus we have that of of a ressurection.
The judgement day is a future event that is a thousand years long. During this time people would be restored to the same perfect state like Adam. And at the end of the thousand years satan would be released one last time for a very short period in what revelation described as the second test.
People will be judged based on what they in the one thousand years and during the test.

vooks:
Will there be death during this period?

Those who prove to be unrighteous are cast into the lame of fire which means the second death.
So if one should die, it is because that person is truly evil, there will never be a ressurection for that person. Such a death is forever.

Thank you dorox for your taking your time.
I meant will men during the 1000 years die like they do today?
And who gets to go through the judgement? is it only those alive at the beginning of the 1000 years, the ones who never put their faith in Christ or what?

dorox:

Those who prove to be unrighteous are cast into the lame of fire which means the second death.
So if one should die, it is because that person is truly evil, there will never be a ressurection for that person. Such a death is forever.

saintopus:


The question is "Is hell fire a correction facility? " Anything being a cirrectional facility is unjust.

hell is a place meant for satan nt for humans.

ooman:


We are talking about the same god who created hell, so it can be useful to burn his own creations for all eternity, while he sits back and watch a horror movie that last for eternity. Such a jobless god. A sadist is exactly what he is.

may be u need to study about Him for urself instead of the tons of wrong info u are being feed. Pick up a Bible and learn about God. Peace.

vooks:
Thank you dorox for your taking your time.
I meant will men during the 1000 years die like they do today?
And who gets to go through the judgement? is it only those alive at the beginning of the 1000 years, the ones who never put their faith in Christ or what?

Revelation 20: 6 says "Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years."
The first ressurection is for those who are to reign with christ fir a thousand years while the second ressurection is those who will be ruled and made perfect for one thousand years.

Weah96:


See this one. What if your father decided to tie your hands and legs and throw you into the river? What message does that send to the other siblings? Will they not begin to FEEL ADOPTED?

Now consider the fact that a father who does that to his son is still one million times more loving than the one who puts his son in a fire and roasts him FOREVER.

So thats why God has given us Conscience, brain, thinking. (son as an example is not grown or one cannot think ) but man can think, he thinks , compares even to buy simple things like shoes which is inly used for a year then Why should man should not think about his Creator in whose Kingdom le lives and eats his food, and drinks water and oxygen.

Thats why in islam those kids are mentally retarded will not be taken in account or punished. So its useless to argue but to turn to Allah, the Creator and bear this difficult world to acheive the Paradise which cannot come into our imagination as per the Noble Quran.

So kindly read the Noble Quran , The Last testament and listen & speak to him as this Atheist Guy did in the below video , try this Quran with explanation called tafsir

http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=2&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=1&tAyahNo=2&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xhZ00xnHIA

Advertico:
may be u need to study about Him for urself instead of the tons of wrong info u are being feed. Pick up a Bible and learn about God. Peace.

Actually, I was a christian for (wasted) 22 years of my life. Wasted because I really believed in the guy in the sky during these years and I read the bible.

bro, it's all too hazy and thanks for trying to help me understand

You don't have to quote verses for now, just tell me;
1. WHO will be judged over 1000 years? Will they die like we die today say from murder,suicide....?
2. Over whom will the resurrected in Christ reign?
3. Do the dead 'outside' Christ,those who never put their faith in him BEFORE 1000 years of judgement ever get to resurrect?
4. Is there any incidence/event that will trigger the Judgement day of 1000 years? If yes, what is it?

dorox:

Revelation 20: 6 says "Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years."
The first ressurection is for those who are to reign with christ fir a thousand years while the second ressurection is those who will be ruled and made perfect for one thousand years.

vooks:
CAPTIVATOR dies in 1000BC.
Judgement is 2070AD
Who/what will God judge?
Your thoughts and anything about you ceased in 1000BC. Does God implant the memories to the FRESHLY created dummy after your image and then judge it? From whence does he restore your memory and thoughts.....?

This is from my own personal observation of the human body .

If God reconstructs ur brain, the synapse, cells, hormones etc, exactly as it nearly was before death , this time removing the cause of death and blowing into its nostril the breath of life, the human will remember and have memory of events.

Why do I say this , memories are collected from our senses in our body , u cannot remember, record, analyse, learn or use any info unless it is being first received by the senses . This is recorded in ur brain and can be altered by science ( to show u that memory is physical) .
Example of physical procedures affecting our beliefs, faith, actions , memories, purpose, thoughts is when a sane man is being made to do things contrary to his nature through drugs and when a crazed fellow is being made sane through drugs and other physical procedures.

So therefore, if ur brain is being reconstructed to be exactly the same it was before you died(with the same cell structure and number of cells), ur memory will come back with you .

The reason the bible says that at death u have no thoughts , dreams ambition and memory is because at the point of death , the force that enables you to activate ur cells (those energy that pass info from cell to cell, which govern ur thoughts) has left ur body .

I stand to be corrected.

The scientific angle is interesting but still it does not answer my question.
Am not concerned about God's ability to reconstruct anything. He made us first so nothing is too hard
The question is whether God's idea of judgment is creating bodies afresh and downloading into them thousands of years old memories and then condemning them! The body that receives punishment is certainly different from the one that sinned. Similarly, the bodies that make it to eternity are completely different from the ones that put their faith in CHrist. None deserves their reward

dolphinheart:


This is from my own personal observation of the human body .

If God reconstructs ur brain, the synapse, cells, hormones etc, exactly as it nearly was before death , this time removing the cause of death and blowing into its nostril the breath of life, the human will remember and have memory of events.

Why do I say this , memories are collected from our senses in our body , u cannot remember, record, analyse, learn or use any info unless it is being first received by the senses . This is recorded in ur brain and can be altered by science ( to show u that memory is physical) .
Example of physical procedures affecting our beliefs, faith, actions , memories, purpose, thoughts is when a sane man is being made to do things contrary to his nature through drugs and when a crazed fellow is being made sane through drugs and other physical procedures.

So therefore, if ur brain is being reconstructed to be exactly the same it was before you died(with the same cell structure and number of cells), ur memory will come back with you .

The reason the bible says that at death u have no thoughts , dreams ambition and memory is because at the point of death , the force that enables you to activate ur cells (those energy that pass info from cell to cell, which govern ur thoughts) has left ur body .

I stand to be corrected.

vooks:
bro, it's all too hazy and thanks for trying to help me understand

You don't have to quote verses for now, just tell me;
1. WHO will be judged over 1000 years? Will they die like we die today say from murder,suicide....?
2. Over whom will the resurrected in Christ reign?
3. Do the dead 'outside' Christ,those who never put their faith in him BEFORE 1000 years of judgement ever get to resurrect?
4. Is there any incidence/event that will trigger the Judgement day of 1000 years? If yes, what is it?

Before I answer your questions let me first of all let you know that I hold the view that there are two types of resurrection; the first is made up of a limited number of people who will have a heavenly resurrection and will reign with Christ. The second resurrection is for those who would inhabit the earth as was originally purposed by God when He created Adam.
1. Everyone resurrected to an earthly life. They will be like Adam was meant to be; the will become perfect at the end of the thousand years. The will not be immortal, but can live indefinitely for as long they remain obedient to God' command. So yes, if for some reason someone decides that paradise is boring, that person can in theory end his life forever.
There will be no murder. God will not allow it.

2. They will reign over those on earth.

3. Many would.

4. Armageddon.

So at the outset of Judgement,Everyone resurrects, the righteous to reigning for 1000 years and the unrighteous to judgement lasting 1000 years?

And during this 1000 years guys don't die but are capable of accepting or rejecting God?

dorox:

Before I answer your questions let me first of all let you know that I hold the view that there are two types of resurrection; the first is made up of a limited number of people who will have a heavenly resurrection and will reign with Christ. The second resurrection is for those who would inhabit the earth as was originally purposed by God when He created Adam.
1. Everyone resurrected to an earthly life. They will be like Adam was meant to be; the will become perfect at the end of the thousand years. The will not be immortal, but can live indefinitely. So yes, if for some reason someone decides that paradise is boring, that person can in theory end his life forever.
There will be no murder. God will not allow it.

2. They will reign over those on earth.

3. Many would.

4. Armageddon.

vooks:
So at the outset of Judgement,Everyone resurrects, the righteous to reigning for 1000 years and the unrighteous to judgement lasting 1000 years?

And during this 1000 years guys don't die but are capable of accepting or rejecting God?

Not everyone who has ever lived will be resurrected. Only those who have exercised faith in Christ and those who despite not knowing Christ had some redeeming qualities. People act like they are the offspring of satan e.g the pharisees of Jesus day will definitely not be resurrected.

ooman:


Actually, I was a christian for (wasted) 22 years of my life. Wasted because I really believed in the guy in the sky during these years and I read the bible.

and what happened?

OP. what made God to destroy pple with flood during noah era will also make him to burn them with fire. mayb u dont know dt dt fire is for satan but those pple are just beneficiaries because dey hav used their freewill badly by allowing dt dragon to control dem at a time dey had a better choice.

vooks:
So nothing I do on earth matters because I will be judged on the basis of my future actions during Judgement 'day'?

Ayaff hear u , jez do what u like ...... The same way Judas Iscariot do what he likes and spells doom for himself ! .....
"" When I was with them, I used to watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me; and I have protected them, and not one of them is DESTROYED except the son of Destruction ! " john 17:12 !!! Judas is destroyed , He will never come to life !

Dats a warning example ! Bcoz its not all the dead that will come alive in resurection, only those who pay attention to Christ .... John 5:25

Advertico:
and what happened?

I thought...

wildikeman:
clearly written that hell exist in the bible but JW would neva believe such.

na dem sabi
read the Bible with understanding
that's my say
proudly Mcn

This is my opinion: after armageddon, God will renovate the earth into a paradise again. True christians will resurrect, and others will be gone forever, i.e their souls lost; inexistent; not alive in spirit. There is no such thing as hell fire, and there is no ascension.
Resurrected individuals will come back to life at their age at death, and since there's no death anymore there will be no aging; i guess. Although, children could mature.
There's no where in bible were hell fire is stated literally.
God gave us a soul; spirit; mind; conscience; whatever, when he breathe life into man. Without that life power, man is just like earth(rock), which has no memories, past, conscience, spirit; no nothing. Earth(a rock), for example, cannot suffer; it can't feel pain. Christians got it twisted by taking it literally, hell fire is just a sort of reinforcement mechanism; as christianity is not a joke.
When the soul is gone forever(inexistent), we can assume it's burning in hell or whatever to engender seriousness in new converts but the fact is it's nothing anymore; it's gone. So the bible teaches spear the rod and spoil the child.