Mettal: Ladies and Gentlemen, I give to you Ladie Sophie,love consultant and advisor.

bukatyne:

Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%205&version=KJV

According to the bolded, who is inferior/superior?

bukatyne: @Oahray,

Bible defines love in 1 Cor 13: 4 - 7 as:

4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud

5 or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged.

6 It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out.

7 Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.

8 Prophecy and speaking in unknown languages and special knowledge will become useless. But love will last forever!

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+corinthians+13&version=NLT

What is submission?

Dolly-Parton:

Well my mother's love for me was unconditional till she died and my father's love is still. I looked/look at them and see nothing but unconditional love, Even with all my mess.
And if u noticed I said pure love.

Sijo01: LOVE!......... A woman can submit the whole of her and forget about herself is she's loved.

shizzle11:
for the sake of those trying to outsmart themselves and clarity, please tell us are you talking about a husband/wife relationship or parent-to-child rship? thanks

Oahray: dude, romantic love is overrated. Most times, love isn't even a cause but an effect. Some things have to happen first before love can grow, but since they are not always consciously carried out, we think love is a magic seed that grows everywhere and anywhere.

naijaboyof4life:

You must not know what love is. I said LOVE not ROMANCE, big difference.

Crystalline:


I'm talking about husband/wife relationship

shizzle11:
for the sake of those trying to outsmart themselves and clarity, please tell us are you talking about a husband/wife relationship or parent-to-child rship? thanks

Mettal: why do i have a feeling you are referring to me?

shizzle11:
Now how am i supposed to respond to this?, did you read the comments above?, and understood them? anyway the person i referred to already responded.

Mettal: sorry brotha, but your profile pic is killing.

Crystalline: A man says...I don't love my wife because she is not submissive perhaps if she were submissive, i'd have loved her.


A woman says...I am not submissive to my husband because he doesn't love me, if he had shown me love, i'd have been submissive.


Ephesians 5:22...wives be submissive to your husbands as unto the LORD

Ephesians 5:25...husbands love your wives just as CHRIST loves the church.

Now my question is "which should come first...LOVE or SUBMISSION?"

Your honest views are welcome.

ihedinobi2:
It "should not" be conditional o...


But it is, in fact We love God because He first loved us. And as we to God so the woman to the man.

If men are truly the leaders the Bible makes them out to be, their love should come first. The man's love is what the woman responds to with her submission.

Oahray:
lemme answer with the Bible too. The same Paul who wrote that to the Ephesians wrote this to the Phillipians. The context of Ephesians 5:21 shows that it is directed to all Christians. The admonition to husbands and wives starts from verse 22. Never ignore context.

Read Phillipians 2 : 3. I'd quote from many translations.

New International Version
Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain
conceit. Rather, in humility value others
above yourselves,

New Living Translation
Don't be selfish; don't try to impress
others. Be humble, thinking of others as
better than yourselves.

English Standard Version
Do nothing from selfish ambition or
conceit, but in humility count others
more significant than yourselves.

New American Standard Bible
Do nothing from selfishness or empty
conceit, but with humility of mind regard
one another as more important than
yourselves;

King James Bible
Let nothing be done through strife or
vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let
each esteem other better than themselves.
http://biblehub.com/philippians/2-3.htm

Isn't it clear? When we view others as better than us or respect them, submission naturally follows. It's the reason Paul tells wives that the husband is the head of his wife, providing the basis for submission. It's the God-given authority that they submit to. It's not rocket science, ma'am.

bukatyne:


Well well well

Can't remember if I commented on this thread

Strange you have this ideology.

Opened a thread once with this line and it was called non nonsense

It is an individual stuff anyways

ihedinobi2:

How is it strange?

Sijo01:
LOVE!......... A woman can submit the whole of her and forget about herself is she's loved.