frosbel:


You are arguing with somebody who is 'brain dead'.

Hmm My Bro ...... How I wish he could answer the question canticles gave him : DID JESUS DIE ( OR) its Only his flesh dat dies ??

CAPTIVATOR:


Jesus Ressurect A Decomposed Lazarus of bethany .. Already smellin dead man.... WITH A FRESH BODY,( JOH11: 11 - 30) yet he still RECOGNIZE Martha and Mary as his sisters !!

Now you are contradicting your teaching.

so it takes four days in your village for a dead person to turn to dust?

I thought some of your fellows once said that nobody resurrected before Jesus resurrect how come you call this one resurrection?

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CAPTIVATOR:



The resurected dead daughter of Jairus also recognize his parents

Ok Jairus' daughter also turned to dust? Liar.

CAPTIVATOR:



GO and read more about what Jesus will accomplish at resurrection of the dead

You still have not answered his question.
What happens to Adam, Abraham, Moses etc whose bodies have turned to dust thousands of years ago(everything about man turns to dust at death according to you)?

God will recreate a new them (remember they are no more existing elsewhere according to your teaching). Then the new them will now face the judgement throne to answer for what their former selves did? See the crap that your teaching points to.

CAPTIVATOR:


Hmm My Bro ...... How I wish he could answer the question canticles gave him : DID JESUS DIE ( OR) its Only his flesh dat dies ??

Before he answers me he will clear his shame by telling me how a God who cannot effect a virgin birth(according to his teaching) against scientic/logical reasoning can effect the resurrection of someone who has died and turned to dust against scientific/logical reasoning.
Leave him to battle with his SHAME.

honourhim:


so it takes four days in your village for a dead person to turn to dust?

" he will be smellin by now, coz its been 4 days" says martha ! If not for Jesus , NOTHING Will stop him from d dust curse in Eden ( Gen 3:19)

I thought some of your fellows once said that nobody resurrected before Jesus resurrect how come you call this one resurrection?

Christ is the "firstborn from the dead" ! Simply bcoz Christ was the first to be ressurected to everlastin life !Not dyin anymore , some of those people died later

Ok Jairus' daughter also turned to dust? Liar.

It was Jesus intervention dat saved her from the curse in Eden ( Gen 3:19)

You still have not answered his question.
What happens to Adam, Abraham, Moses etc whose body has turned to dust thousands of years ago? .

At that time "
Many of those asleep IN THE DUST OF THE EARTH WILL WAKE UP" Dan 12:2

honourhim:


Before he answers me he will clear his shame by telling me how a God who cannot effect a virgin birth(according to his teaching) against scientic/logical reasoning can effect the resurrection of someone who has died and turned to dust against scientific/logical reasoning.
Leave him to battle with his SHAME.

The Question is directed at YOU , NOT frosbel

DID JESUS DIE (OR) its only his flesh that dies ??

CAPTIVATOR:


Contrary to ur nollywood movies ..... NOTHIN LEAVES JESUS BODY WHEN HE DIES , He was in d grave for three days and three nights until his Ressurection ! Matt 12:40

You are just running through the pages of the scripture like a rat and tearing its truth into shreds so that your false teaching will prosper. Alas your evil plan has failed. The one that you think suits you you just quote, the one that you see has exposed your li`es you` begin to a give your silly explanations.

How can a plain and understandable statement be explained again if not for an ill motive?

CANTICLES:

The Question is directed at YOU , NOT frosbel

CANTICLES:


The Question is directed at YOU , NOT frosbel

DID JESUS DIE (OR) its only his flesh that dies ??

ONLY HIS FLESH DIED. Also applicable to you and me.

frosbel:

Bro clear your shame. How can a God who cannot effect a virgin birth(against scientific/logical reasoning) resurrect people who have died and turned to dust(against scientific/logical reasoning)?

honourhim:


ONLY HIS FLESH DIED.

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Only flesh, GBAM! So JESUS NEVA DIE ??

honourhim:


You are just running through the pages of the scripture like a rat and tearing its truth into shreds so that your false teaching will prosper. Alas your evil plan has failed. The one that you think suits you you just quote, the one that you see has exposed your li`es you` begin to a give your silly explanations.

How can a plain and understandable statement be explained again if not for an ill motive?

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Therefore , his scripture based explanation are right ...... NOTHIN LEAVES JESUS BODY WHEN he dies ! "the son of man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights " Matt 12:40 !

Thats tellin you that When God says:

" YOU are dust and to dust YOU SHALL RETURN" GEN 3:19 ! The pronoun "YOU" refers to a whole person and NOT Just flesh .

Pronoun is used in place of a NOUN ! Supply the Noun and we will have " Adam is dust and to dust Adam shall return " (Gen 3:19 ! )

You are running away from my question
Are you perfectly at ease with your dummy inheriting eternal life?

CAPTIVATOR:


1) What does the bible refer to as spirit in man and animals ?

2) Is it the same as the breath of life ??

3) do animals av the breath of life ??

4) when Jesus commend his spirit to God in luke 23:46 before his death , was he in heaven ??

vooks:
Reductio ad absurdum
Their soul-sleep heresy leads them to very absurd conclusion; that the dead will NEVER reap everlasting life. God will recreate dummies in their stead. He will recreate Abraham,Isaac,Moses and so forth

Ressurection of the DEAD sounds very foolish to you !!! The same eway it sounds foolish to the greeks who hold the doctrine of immortal soul ( Read Act 17:31,32 , and see how the apostle paul had a hard time explaining Ressurection to immortal soul philosophers) !! #smiles# its been happening many years ago

For your info:

Even king David didnt acend to heaven when he dies, He REMAIN IN THE GRAVE ( Act 2:29,34).

GOD told daniel : " go and Rest and u wil stand up for your share at the end of the days"

At ressurection ....... " Many of those Asleep IN THE DUST of the earth will wake up" Danie 12:2 !

CANTICLES:
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Only flesh, GBAM! So JESUS NEVA DIE ??

Your brain is twisting things here. The issue is not whether the body dies or not but the soul. You people want to claim that its only the body that makes up a human and thats wrong. Did Jesus spirit die? No. What do you think spirit in man is?

What did Jesus say about those who can kill the flesh but not the soul?

CANTICLES:
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Therefore , his scripture based explanation are right ...... NOTHIN LEAVES JESUS BODY WHEN he dies ! "the son of man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights " Matt 12:40 !

Thats tellin you that When God says:

" YOU are dust and to dust YOU SHALL RETURN" GEN 3:19 ! The pronoun "YOU" refers to a whole person and NOT Just flesh .

Pronoun is used in place of a NOUN ! Supply the Noun and we will have " Adam is dust and to dust Adam shall return " (Gen 3:19 ! )

Nothing left his body? His spirit was in his body in the grave? And what do you think man's spirit is?

honourhim:


Bro clear your shame. How can a God who cannot effect a virgin birth(against scientific/logical reasoning) resurrect people who have died and turned to dust(against scientific/logical reasoning)?

Confusion in the camp of the deluded

honourhim:


Nothing left his body? His spirit was in his body in the grave? And what do you think man's spirit is?

Animals and man av " same spirit" Ecc 3:19

" spirit from God is in my NOSTRILS" Job 27:3

" And God .. Blow into his NOSTRILS the breath of life " Gen 2:7 !!
The spirit (breath of life) from God in the nostrils of man and animals , is the force dat activates life in them !! Gen 7:15,22

In luke 23:46 Jesus cried out " father into your hands I commend my spirit (life force in his nostrils), after saying this he DIED" !!!

NOT that Jesus went to heaven !! ...... Viewin from scripture Jesus never ascend to heaven until 40 days after his resurection - john 20:17

What Jesus meant is that, he rest his prospect of coming to live again with the Father , who can restore the force of life. Luke 23:46

Resurrection of the dead is wonderful
It is creation of dummies and installing ancient memories of CANTICLES that baffles. Soul sleep heresy is lunacy on stilts
CANTICLES once you check out and we inter you, that's it. Come resurrection and God will make another CANTICLES and enjoy eternity with him. That is if you are lucky enough not to remain in the dust.

You will have your clone enjoying eternity out of your sweat as you rot and fossilize in the grave

The difference between sinner CANTICLES and righteous CANTICLES is that God makes a dummy of one and not the other.

CANTICLES:


Ressurection of the DEAD sounds very foolish to you !!! The same eway it sounds foolish to the greeks who hold the doctrine of immortal soul ( Read Act 17:31,32 , and see how the apostle paul had a hard time explaining Ressurection to immortal soul philosophers) !! #smiles# its been happening many years ago

For your info:

Even king David didnt acend to heaven when he dies, He REMAIN IN THE GRAVE ( Act 2:29,34).

GOD told daniel : " go and Rest and u wil stand up for your share at the end of the days"

At ressurection ....... " Many of those Asleep IN THE DUST of the earth will wake up" Danie 12:2 !

CANTICLES:


Ressurection of the DEAD sounds very foolish to you !!! The same eway it sounds foolish to the greeks who hold the doctrine of immortal soul ( Read Act 17:31,32 , and see how the apostle paul had a hard time explaining Ressurection to immortal soul philosophers) !! #smiles# its been happening many years ago

For your info:

Even king David didnt acend to heaven when he dies, He REMAIN IN THE GRAVE ( Act 2:29,34).

GOD told daniel : " go and Rest and u wil stand up for your share at the end of the days"

At ressurection ....... " Many of those Asleep IN THE DUST of the earth will wake up" Danie 12:2 !

This post is very irrelevant because his point is not that people dont die but does everything about the dead end in the grave? Now relate your answer to the resurrection question he asked you.

You have not answered his questions yet. You are still running around.

vooks:
Resurrection of the dead is wonderful
It is creation of dummies and installing ancient memories of CANTICLES that baffles
CANTICLES once you check out and we inter you, that's it. Come resurrection and God will make another CANTICLES and enjoy eternity with him. That is if you are lucky enough not to remain in the dust.

You will have your clone enjoying eternity out of your sweat as you rot and fossilize in the grave

The difference between sinner CANTICLES and righteous CANTICLES is that God makes a dummy of one and not the other.

" Now when they heard of a ressurection of the dead, some began to scoff, while others said ' we will hear you again about this ' so Paul Left Them" Act 17:32,33

vooks:
Resurrection of the dead is wonderful
It is creation of dummies and installing ancient memories of CANTICLES that baffles. Soul sleep heresy is lunacy on stilts
CANTICLES once you check out and we inter you, that's it. Come resurrection and God will make another CANTICLES and enjoy eternity with him. That is if you are lucky enough not to remain in the dust.

You will have your clone enjoying eternity out of your sweat as you rot and fossilize in the grave

The difference between sinner CANTICLES and righteous CANTICLES is that God makes a dummy of one and not the other.

This people reason so foolishly.

@CANTICLES , you have done a great job educating these chaps but they prefer delusion to reality.

If the whole MAN is not resurrected then what is the point of the resurrection ? The Liars say that when a man dies he is not actually dead, it is only a pretend game because the spirit is somewhere else.

This is what William Tyndale and John Wesley had to say to these out clueless ones:

William Tyndale who, with Coverdale, translated the Bible from Hebrew and Greek into English for the first time in 1535, said this, when debating with a Roman priest about resurrection: "Ye, in putting departed souls in heaven, hell, and purgatory, destroy the arguments wherewith Christ and Paul prove the resurrection. If there should be a heaven, tell me why they are not in as good care as the angels be, and then what cause is there of a resurrection?" The same error causes people today to ask- "If the dead are already in a blissful paradise, why must there yet be a resurrection?" If, however, we accept the Bible truth that the dead know not anything, that they sleep in death, then the resurrection at Jesus' return assumes the importance the Bible places upon it.

John Wesley, founder of the Methodist Church, said in a sermon on Luke 16:31, "It is indeed generally supposed that the souls of good men as soon as dislodged from the body, go directly to heaven, but this opinion has not the least foundation in the oracles of God."

Resurrection of the dead EQUALLY bothered Saducces and they attempted to prove the irrationality of the same
CANTICLES you are a Saduccee

Acts 23:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.

This verse you are quoting, you don't know exactly what about the resurrection of the dead that Paul taught tickled them. You have to dig into history of these guys,making assumptions about their faith

I can see a CANTICLES/frosbel clone in heaven receiving a crown over a fossilized CANTICLES'/Frosbel labor of love under the sun. For a good measure,God will reward the clone with your thoughts,memory to make it look like you!
Truth be told, that clone was never on earth

CANTICLES:


" Now when they heard of a ressurection of the dead, some began to scoff, while others said ' we will hear you again about this ' so Paul Left Them" Act 17:32,33

vooks:


I can see a CANTICLES/frosbel clone in heaven receiving a crown over a fossilized CANTICLES'/Frosbel labor of love under the sun. For a good measure,God will reward the clone with your thoughts,memory to make it look like you!
Truth be told, that clone was never on earth

Clone ?

The resurrection will be a bodily one...........

Frosbel,
You are mindlessly regurgitating this garbage without thinking
http://resurrectionhope.org/page11.html

Let us look at Jamie Fausset Commentary on 2 COrinthians 12:2
2 Corinthians 12:2
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

I cannot tell—rather as Greek, "I know not." If in the body, he must have been caught up bodily; if out of the body, as seems to be Paul's opinion, his spirit must have been caught up out of the body. At all events he recognizes the possibility of conscious receptivity in disembodied spirits.

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/jfb/2_corinthians/12.htm

Try to apply some intelligence in misquoting men of God

frosbel:
@CANTICLES , you have done a great job educating these chaps but they prefer delusion to reality.

If the whole MAN is not resurrected then what is the point of the resurrection ? The Liars say that when a man dies he is not actually dead, it is only a pretend game because the spirit is somewhere else.

This is what William Tyndale and John Wesley had to say to these out clueless ones:

William Tyndale who, with Coverdale, translated the Bible from Hebrew and Greek into English for the first time in 1535, said this, when debating with a Roman priest about resurrection: "Ye, in putting departed souls in heaven, hell, and purgatory, destroy the arguments wherewith Christ and Paul prove the resurrection. If there should be a heaven, tell me why they are not in as good care as the angels be, and then what cause is there of a resurrection?" The same error causes people today to ask- "If the dead are already in a blissful paradise, why must there yet be a resurrection?" If, however, we accept the Bible truth that the dead know not anything, that they sleep in death, then the resurrection at Jesus' return assumes the importance the Bible places upon it.

John Wesley, founder of the Methodist Church, said in a sermon on Luke 16:31, "It is indeed generally supposed that the souls of good men as soon as dislodged from the body, go directly to heaven, but this opinion has not the least foundation in the oracles of God."

vooks:
Resurrection of the dead

Acts 23:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.

I Believe " Spirit from God is in every mans NOSTRILS" JOB 27:3 !!!

I belive in Angels !

I believe in the "resurection of the DEAD" Heb 6:2 ....

Am Telling you to get out of Babylon the great ! The world empire of false religions .

Whatever resurrects is not what died
you died and perished together with your thoughts,memories,character,personality......
Nothing like Frosbel exists between after your death and resurrection
Come resurrection and God creates another Frosbel
The recreated Frosbel has NEVER been on earth, has never testified of Christ, has never suffered persecution, that's a fresh creation. That dummy Frosbel is what enjoys eternity whily you rot in the ground

This is the essence of soul-sleep; You are born, you die and perish. Come resurrection and God creates ANOTHER you

frosbel:


Clone ?

The resurrection will be a bodily one...........

Mad people

vooks:
Frosbel,
You are mindlessly regurgitating this garbage without thinking
http://resurrectionhope.org/page11.html

Nice to know you quoted a web site that preaches the truth

Let us look at Jamie Fausset Commentary on 2 COrinthians 12:2
2 Corinthians 12:2
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

- Who was this man ?
- This man was not sure if his experience was in or out of the body
- No indication whatsoever that there were people existing in heaven , he only saw great things
- Many people have similar stories albeit with a slightly different twist, in a concept called near death experience.

This scripture does not support your wishful thinking

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/jfb/2_corinthians/12.htm

Try to apply some intelligence in misquoting men of God

Makes no sense, try something else

I caught you misquoting Jamie Fausset to support your soul sleep heresy and I pointed out that from the same commentary, they entertained consciousness outside the body

Failure to think is blasphemy

frosbel:


Nice to know you quoted a web site that preaches the truth



- Who was this man ?
- This man was not sure if this experience was in or out of the body
- No indication whatsoever than there were people existing in heaven , he only saw great things
- Many people have similar stories albeit with a slightly different twist, in a concept called near death experience.

This scripture does not support your wishful thinking



Makes no sense, try something else

vooks:
Whatever resurrects is not what died
you died and perished together with your thoughts,memories,character,personality......
Nothing like Frosbel exists between after your death and resurrection
Come resurrection and God creates another Frosbel
The recreated Frosbel has NEVER been on earth, has never testified of Christ, has never suffered persecution, that's a fresh creation. That dummy Frosbel is what enjoys eternity whily you rot in the ground

This is the essence of soul-sleep; You are born, you die and perish. Come resurrection and God creates ANOTHER you

Soul sleep is just a term created by deluded scholars to discredit the truth about death.

"Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt." - Daniel 12:2

"Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice," - John 5:29

Death is sleep in the bible, a cessation of temporary existence.

Resurrection is the raising from the dead of the righteous with new immortal bodies and the wicked with mortal bodies for punishment.

So tell me Mr.Bible Scholar , DANIEL said MULTITUDES are sleeping in the dust of the earth , 100% of them not 50% like some heathen try to imply. JESUS said the dead are in their TOMBS , 100% of them not 50% of them.

So whose side are you one, JESUS and DANIEL or Greek Pagan Philosophers ??