vooks:
I caught you misquoting Jamie Fausset to support your soul sleep heresy and I pointed out that from the same commentary, they entertained consciousness outside the body

Failure to think is blasphemy

Are you daft !!

I quoted John Wesley and William Tyndale not Jamie Fausset.

Besides Jamie did not buy into the myth of the immortal soul which sort of destroys the foundation of your hell myth.

Commenting on this verse, the Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary says, "Here only, besides 1 Timothy 6:16, the word 'immortality' is found. Nowhere is immortality of the soul, distinct from the body, taught; a notion which many erroneously have derived from heathen philosophers. Scripture does not look for the anomalous state brought about by death, as the consummation to be earnestly looked for (2 Corinthians 5:4), but the resurrection." This comment acknowledges that the doctrine of the immortality of the soul is pagan in origin. It acknowledges that resurrection, not death, is the time of change and reward for the believer.

CANTICLES:


Animals and man av " same spirit" Ecc 3:19

" spirit from God is in my NOSTRILS" Job 27:3

" And God .. Blow into his NOSTRILS the breath of life " Gen 2:7 !!
The spirit (breath of life) from God in the nostrils of man and animals , is the force dat activates life in them !! Gen 7:15,22

In luke 23:46 Jesus cried out " father into your hands I commend my spirit (life force in his nostrils), after saying this he DIED" !!!

NOT that Jesus went to heaven !! ...... Viewin from scripture Jesus never ascend to heaven until 40 days after his resurection - john 20:17

What Jesus meant is that, he rest his prospect of coming to live again with the Father , who can restore the force of life. Luke 23:46

Ok lets check out what you are saying.

Matthew 26;41

41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

So what Jesus means here is that the breath is willing but the flesh is weak? Breath now has a will, right? You must be kidding.

Luke 1;45, 46.

46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

47 And my[b] spirit [/b]hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Breath now rejoices , right? joker.

john 4;23,2

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

And here Christ is saying we must worship God in our breath and in truth? See how foolish you reason.

Romans 8:16

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.

And here the spirit bears witness with our breath that we are children of God? See how foolish you reason just to twist the scripture to suit your false teaching. Repent now before it is too late for you.

^^^^

Do you study at all ??

Let me give you a small easy task, what does spirit mean in this context ?

frosbel:
^^^^

Do you study at all ??

Let me give you a small easy task, what does spirit mean in this context ?

I dont study foolishly like you.

frosbel:
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Let me give you a small easy task, what does spirit mean in this context ?

You mean i should follow you in your mad pattern of interpreting every scripture(to suit what i want) even when its statement is clear and quite understandable? I dont have any falsehood to project like you so i dont need to interpret an understandable statement.

frosbel:





- Who was this man ?
- This man was not sure if his experience was in or out of the body
- No indication whatsoever that there were people existing in heaven , he only saw great things
- Many people have similar stories albeit with a slightly different twist, in a concept called near death experience.

This scripture does not support your wishful thinking



Makes no sense, try something else

Philipians 1:21-24

21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.

23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

@ Honourhim .... Study the context !!!


#1 God is a spirit /pneuma/ , not just an abstract But a real person that has personalties, But Has a " spiritual body" 1 cor 15:44 and they all live in heaven , the home of intelligent Spirit Beings that exist before the first man crawl out of dust ! !

#2 Spirit can also refer to the force dat makes a person do good or bad !!! Bible mentions " spirit of the world" 1 COR 2:12 ! This is not a person, but a force dat exhibit itself in sinners !!!! .......

#3 Man has a physical body that can ONLY survive on the planet earth!!! But the spirit from God in man refers to the " spirit in their Nostrils" Job 27:3 !!

#4 When Jesus was a man on earth .... His spirit was his breath ! Or are u tellin me Jesus was in heaven the day he died , " father into ur hands i entrust my spirit" luk 23:46 .... Was he in heaven that day ??

vooks:
What will resurrect? Where will they be before they resurrect?

I would have loved to discuss this with you,but as I read ur last posts, i realized you have your own view about what is resurrected and how man is resurrected.

Pls ill like to understand ur view on resurrection and how man is being .

On ur question on what will resurrected and where will they be before being resurrected.

My answer is based on what God called man , he said " from dust you are, and dust you will return "

Man is dust, if he will be resurrected , then he will be resurrected from dust.

Until resurrection , man will remain dust.

CANTICLES:
@ Honourhim .... Study the context !!!


#1 God is a spirit /pneuma/ , not just an abstract But a real person that has personalties, But Has a " spiritual body" 1 cor 15:44 and they all live in heaven , the home of intelligent Spirit Beings that exist before the first man crawl out of dust ! !

#2 Spirit can also refer to the force dat makes a person do good or bad !!! Bible mentions " spirit of the world" 1 COR 2:12 ! This is not a person, but a force dat exhibit itself in sinners !!!! .......

#3 Man has a physical body that can ONLY survive on the planet earth!!! But the spirit from God in man refers to the " spirit in their Nostrils" Job 27:3 !!

#4 When Jesus was a man on earth .... His spirit was his breath ! Or are u tellin me Jesus was in heaven the day he died , " father into ur hands i entrust my spirit" luk 23:46 .... Was he in heaven that day ??

How does this crap you presented here address the issues i raised? You people are so pathetic. See how we ve been presenting scriptures to you and you keep interpreting rubbish. The questions that have been raised here for you people to answer have remained unanswered rather we keep getting your foolish explanations. Who cares about your irrelevant explanations?

Why must you keep explaining statements that are very understandable mr false teacher?

honourhim:


Philipians 1:21-24

21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.

23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

This apostle paul has a firm believe in ressurection ..... He has resurection in mind when sayin this things !!!

" to see if at all possible I may attain to the earlier RESURECTION FROM THE DEAD" - PHIlipian 3:11) .... A type of resurection to heaven LIKE Jesus Christ.

" If we have become united with him in he likeness of his death, We will certainly also be united with him IN THE LIKENESS OF HIS RESSURECTION" ! (ROMANS 6:5)

CANTICLES:


This apostle paul has a firm believe in ressurection ..... He has resurection in mind when sayin this things !!!

" to see if at all possible I may attain to the earlier RESURECTION FROM THE DEAD" PHIlipian 3:11 .... A type of resurection to heaven LIKE Jesus Christ.

" If we have become united with him in he likeness of his death, We will certainly also be united with him IN THE LIKENESS OF HIS RESSURECTION" !

I respect your maturity and grace in this debate by refusing to bring yourself down to the level of insults and abuse unlike those wicked hypocrites.

Carry on with the Christ-like approach and keep on educating that ignorant one, his eyes may be open soon.

frosbel:



I respect your maturity and grace in this debate by refusing to bring yourself down to the level of insults and abuse unlike those wicked hypocrites.

Carry on with the Christ-like approach and keep on educating that ignorant one, his eyes may be open soon.

Oh its now insult? But when you adviced him about our "madness"(according to you) that one was not an insult? And when you refered to me as brain dead that was a compliment? Hypocrite.

honourhim:


How does this crap you presented here address the issues i raised? You people are so pathetic. See how we ve been presenting scriptures to you and you keep interpreting rubbish. The questions that have been raised here for you people to answer have remained unanswered rather we keep getting your foolish explanations. Who cares about your irrelevant explanations?

Why must you keep explaining statements that are very understandable mr false teacher?

!!!

A fine boy !!! ... Fine here refers to good looking!

How are you ? Am fine .... Fine here refers to good condition of the heart !!!

Study the context , man ...... In luke 23:46 , Jesus said " father, into ur hands I commend my spirit after sayin this he DIED" !!! .... It definitely cannot be plato's myth of d cave , coz we hear him sayin " I have not yet ascended to the Father " Many Days After !! Can U Tell us what the spirit in luke 23:46 meant ??

CANTICLES:


This apostle paul has a firm believe in ressurection ..... He has resurection in mind when sayin this things !!!

" to see if at all possible I may attain to the earlier RESURECTION FROM THE DEAD" PHIlipian 3:11 .... A type of resurection to heaven LIKE Jesus Christ.

" If we have become united with him in he likeness of his death, We will certainly also be united with him IN THE LIKENESS OF HIS RESSURECTION" !

Here he goes again with his silly explanations. What is there to explain in that bible passage? Its quite obvious that you people cant do without your explanations because it is the tool you people use in propagating your false interpretations and false teaching.

CANTICLES:
!!!

A fine boy !!! ... Fine here refers to good looking!

How are you ? Am fine .... Fine here refers to good condition of the heart !!!

Study the context , man ...... In luke 23:46 , Jesus said " father, into ur hands I commend my spirit after sayin this he DIED" !!! .... It definitely cannot be plato's myth of d cave , coz we hear him sayin " I have not yet ascended to the Father " Many Days After !! Can U Tell us what the spirit in luke 23:46 meant ??

Now you are contradicting yourself. First you quoted to me that spirit is breath only, when i showed you the scripture it became obvious to you that spirit is not only breath.
Is this not a confirmation and admission of what i am trying to point out to you that spirit is not only breath?

CANTICLES:


This apostle paul has a firm believe in ressurection ..... He has resurection in mind when sayin this things !!!

" to see if at all possible I may attain to the earlier RESURECTION FROM THE DEAD" - PHIlipian 3:11) .... A type of resurection to heaven LIKE Jesus Christ.

" If we have become united with him in he likeness of his death, We will certainly also be united with him IN THE LIKENESS OF HIS RESSURECTION" ! (ROMANS 6:5)

Fact

CAPTIVATOR:

Fact

Cheap liars. Paul addressed two different issues and here you people have turned to his spokes person to relate what he said in Philippians 3 as what he meant in chapter 1.

Paul said that to die is gain for him because he will go and be with Christ but that remain alive will be good for the people. Very clear statement. How does this relate with what he said in Philipians 3? saian is greatly using you people.

True repentance is what you people need. I pity those you people are deceiving.

honourhim:


Cheap liars. Paul addressed two different issues and here you people have turned to his spokes person to relate what he said in Philippians 3 as what he meant in chapter 1.

Paul said that to die is gain for him because he will go and be with Christ but that remain alive will be good for the people. Very clear statement. How does this relate with what he said in Philipians 3? saian is greatly using you people.

True repentance is what you people need. I pity those you people are deceiving.

"to see if I ( Paul) may attain the first resurection from the dead" phil 3:11

" if we have been united with him in the likeness of his Death , We will also be united With Him (Christ) in the LIKENESS of his RESSURECTION" ROMANS 6:5

If you cease to exist and then God creates you AFRESH one thousand years later, that's two different frosbels

frosbel:



Soul sleep is just a term created by deluded scholars to discredit the truth about death.

"Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt." - Daniel 12:2

"Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice," - John 5:29

Death is sleep in the bible, a cessation of temporary existence.

Resurrection is the raising from the dead of the righteous with new immortal bodies and the wicked with mortal bodies for punishment.

So tell me Mr.Bible Scholar , DANIEL said MULTITUDES are sleeping in the dust of the earth , 100% of them not 50% like some heathen try to imply. JESUS said the dead are in their TOMBS , 100% of them not 50% of them.

So whose side are you one, JESUS and DANIEL or Greek Pagan Philosophers ??

Resurrection is clothing of disembodied spirits with immortal incorruptible bodies like what Christ resurrected with.
Man is spirit clothed in flesh. At death, his spirit departs from him and the flesh suffers corruption.

When you claim that man ceases to exist at death save for his flesh which also disintegrates, then God would have to RECREATE him afresh on resurrection. He has to RESTORE his memory,mind,will,intellect and all to a NEW body. It means whatever dies that is dolphinheart is not what is rewarded with eternity.

dolphinheart:


I would have loved to discuss this with you,but as I read ur last posts, i realized you have your own view about what is resurrected and how man is resurrected.

Pls ill like to understand ur view on resurrection and how man is being .

On ur question on what will resurrected and where will they be before being resurrected.

My answer is based on what God called man , he said " from dust you are, and dust you will return "

Man is dust, if he will be resurrected , then he will be resurrected from dust.

Until resurrection , man will remain dust.

Is Jesus God?

CANTICLES:
@ Honourhim .... Study the context !!!
#4 When Jesus was a man on earth .... His spirit was his breath ! Or are u tellin me Jesus was in heaven the day he died , " father into ur hands i entrust my spirit" luk 23:46 .... Was he in heaven that day ??

Join humanity, start thinking
Go back to his commentary on 2 Corinthians 12:2. I have highlighted it for you.
Besides, for every annihilation teacher, I can show you 100 opponents. So it is not adding value posting opinions of dead men here to prop your argument

Jameson most certainly believed man has a spirit that can exist outside his body.

frosbel:


Are you daft !!

I quoted John Wesley and William Tyndale not Jamie Fausset.

Besides Jamie did not buy into the myth of the immortal soul which sort of destroys the foundation of your hell myth.

vooks:
Is Jesus God?

Dont derail the thread ..... Stop solvin surd in a trigonometry class

You don't have to substantiate. Answer the question please

CAPTIVATOR:


Dont derail the thread ..... Stop solvin surd in a trigonometry class

CAPTIVATOR:


"to see if I ( Paul) may attain the first resurection from the dead" phil 3:11

" if we have been united with him in the likeness of his Death , We will also be united With Him (Christ) in the LIKENESS of his RESSURECTION" ROMANS 6:5

You are still saying a different thing. Paul said in Philipians 1:21-24 that to die is gain for him.and he state his reason being- to go and be with Christ. He never said resurrection was his reason (and of course he wouldn't say so because its not only those that resurrected that will meet Christ in the air). Why are you falsifyiing paul's clear statement? Why do you people feast on falsehood?

vooks:

Resurrection is clothing of disembodied spirits with immortal incorruptible bodies like what Christ resurrected with.
Man is spirit clothed in flesh. At death, his spirit departs from him and the flesh suffers corruption.

When you claim that man ceases to exist at death save for his flesh which also disintegrates, then God would have to RECREATE him afresh on resurrection. He has to RESTORE his memory,mind,will,intellect and all to a NEW body. It means whatever dies that is dolphinheart is not what is rewarded with eternity.

Let me ask you the following questions.

1. What happens to the spirit when man dies ?
2.what is the spirit in man?
3 is the spirit in man different from the spirit in other living creatures eg animals?
4.if resurrection is clothing of disembodied spirits with imortal, incurruptible bodies. Then why did all those that where resurrected by jesus, elijah and the apostles become currupt/ die again ? Or where they not resurrected?
5. If man is spirit, are animals spirit too?
6. If man is a spirit clothed in flesh, and the bible says the spirit that God gave man returns to God in heaven, why did jesus say that no one has ascended to heaven , where God is but him that descended from heaven . ?
7. If man is the spirit, then what is the soul? 8. Which part of jesus went to hell?


Ill like to have ur views on this questions .
Note; when God created Adam, he was created out of dust . Adam already existed as man before the breathe of life came into him, making him to become a living soul.

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James 2:26 KJV

For as the body without the spirit is dead....

Those who have eyes will see.

2 corinthians 2:11

1 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?

1 corinthians 5:5.

5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1. The spirit leaves the body

2. Spirit means spirit. A component of man that can survive outside the body and is distinct and unique to each man


3. Yes it is. God breathed it

4. 1 Corinthians 15 is a chapter I recommend. The hope of all Christians is not to merely come back from the dead but to be clothed with spiritual bodies which are immortal, incorruptible and powerful just like the one that Jesus resurrected in. Jesus is called firstborn from among the dead. Why is this yet there are so many that came back from the dead before him? It is he resurrected in a powerful body. All the others resurrected to their old corruptible bodies. And for this, they died again.

5. Animals are not spirits

6. Going back to God that gave it does not necessarily mean going to heaven. In any case, if the spirits of men went to heaven, that would be spirits not men! You need to study widely on this and not just pick verses that appear to suit what they fed you with. Has any man ever seen God? Did Isaiah see God? Hope you understand

7. Soul and spirit are used interchangeably. But it could be a third distinct component of man

8. I don't know about going to hell, but that would be his spirit since his body remained in the grave

I note what you are saying about Adam. God made a body out of the earth,and ONLY after breathing into it his spirit did the body become animated

Could you please explain to me 2 Cor 12:2,James 2:26.Thank you

dolphinheart:

Let me ask you the following questions.

1. What happens to the spirit when man dies ?
2.what is the spirit in man?
3 is the spirit in man different from the spirit in other living creatures eg animals?
4.if resurrection is clothing of disembodied spirits with imortal, incurruptible bodies. Then why did all those that where resurrected by jesus, elijah and the apostles become currupt/ die again ? Or where they not resurrected?
5. If man is spirit, are animals spirit too?
6. If man is a spirit clothed in flesh, and the bible says the spirit that God gave man returns to God in heaven, why did jesus say that no one has ascended to heaven , where God is but him that descended from heaven . ?
7. If man is the spirit, then what is the soul?
8. Which part of jesus went to hell?


Ill like to have ur views on this questions .
Note; when God created Adam, he was created out of dust . Adam already existed as man before the breathe of life came into him, making him to become a living soul.

vooks:
1. The spirit leaves the body

2. Spirit means spirit. A component of man that can survive outside the body and is distinct and unique to each man


3. Yes it is. God breathed it

4. 1 Corinthians 15 is a chapter I recommend. The hope of all Christians is not to merely come back from the dead but to be clothed with spiritual bodies which are immortal, incorruptible and powerful just like the one that Jesus resurrected in. Jesus is called firstborn from among the dead. Why is this yet there are so many that came back from the dead before him? It is he resurrected in a powerful body. All the others resurrected to their old corruptible bodies. And for this, they died again.

1. You are right, the spirit leaves the body.
.
2. I asked : what is the spirit in man?

U answered : Spirit means spirit. A component of man that can survive outside the body and is distinct and unique to each man

Sir, the spirit (ru′ach) energizes and is the life-force that enables man to be an animated creature, to move, walk, be actively alive. (it will be explained further in the footnote later).

In ur reply , pls explain further what u mean by the spirit is distinct and unique to each man.



3. I asked : is the spirit in man different from the spirit in other living creatures eg animals?

U said : Yes it is. God breathed it

I now say, if they are different, why does the bible say they are the same ?
Psalms 104: 30
Ecclesiastes 3:18-22.


4. Sir , if man is spirit, why does he need a spirit body?

Remember our discussion is based on the second resurrection. Are they expecting to be resurrected in spirit bodies too?

Do the spiritual bodies need to be created from dust?

The reason I asked about those that where resurrected by jesus is that there resurrection follows the same pattern as the second resurrection. But this time around, there fleshly bodies will be brought to perfection and like Adam, will not die as long as they follow Gods law.

The following are excerpts from chapter 15 of revelation.

17 Further, if Christ has not been raised up,
your faith is useless; you remain in your sins. 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in death in union with Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are to be pitied more than anyone.


(these shows man is the body that the spirit/life force activates, and not the spirit that leaves the body, cus the spirit/life force did not fall asleep/die )

23 But eachone in his own proper order: Christ thefirstfruits, afterward those who belong to
the Christ during his presence. 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and
power.

(After the first resurrection the end will come. some people will survive that end in the flesh and will not face death at all, hence no need of any form of resurrection. In the new world, there body will be made perfect like Adams was when he was created.)

35 Nevertheless, someone will say: “How are the dead to be raised up? Yes, with what sort of body are they coming?” ............38 but God gives it a body just as it has pleased him, and gives to each of the seeds its own body. ..........
40 And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort. ..........
48 Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. + 49 And just as
we have borne the image of the one made of
dust, we will bear also the image of the
heavenly one.+

(the first to be ressurected will have heavenly (spirit) bodies. The ones of the second resurrection will have perfect fleshly bodies.)


To be continued.........

2. mean, spirit of dolphinheart is not spirit of vooks just as your body is unique to you from mine

3. I told you they are different because God called animals out of the water and earth whereas he put his spirit in man. They may both be spirits but one came from God.

4. God made a body and breathed his spirit in it. This means the body minus the spirit is not man as such and vice versa. Man after death exists as spirit. This is what John saw under the altar. The spirit will be clothed with a glorified,powerful and incorruptible body also called spiritual. Look at Jesus after resurrection and you will get the idea.

This is what I mean when I say man is a spirit housed in a body. Paul and Peter both talk of the body as being a house or container for the man.

2 Peter 1:13-14 (ESV)
I think it right, as long as I am in this body, to stir you up by way of reminder, 14 since I know that the putting off of my body will be soon, as our Lord Jesus Christ made clear to me. 15 And I will make every effort so that after my departure you may be able at any time to recall these things.

Here Peter talking of death speaks of putting off the house/tabernacle/body.

[b]2 Corinthians 5:1-10 (ESV) ​
1 For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this tent we groan, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling, 3 if indeed by putting it on we may not be found naked. 4 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5 He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
6 So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9 So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.[/b]

Here Paul speaks of the body as a tent. If it is a tent and we are putting it on, Paul is clearly distinguishing between 'we' and the body. I can't possibly put it more plainly.

dolphinheart:



1. You are right, the spirit leaves the body.
.
2. I asked : what is the spirit in man?

U answered : Spirit means spirit. A component of man that can survive outside the body and is distinct and unique to each man

Sir, the spirit (ru′ach) energizes and is the life-force that enables man to be an animated creature, to move, walk, be actively alive. (it will be explained further in the footnote later).

In ur reply , pls explain further what u mean by the spirit is distinct and unique to each man.



3. I asked : is the spirit in man different from the spirit in other living creatures eg animals?

U said : Yes it is. God breathed it

I now say, if they are different, why does the bible say they are the same ?
Psalms 104: 30
Ecclesiastes 3:18-22.


4. Sir , if man is spirit, why does he need a spirit body?

Remember our discussion is based on the second resurrection. Are they expecting to be resurrected in spirit bodies too?

Do the spiritual bodies need to be created from dust?

The reason I asked about those that where resurrected by jesus is that there resurrection follows the same pattern as the second resurrection. But this time around, there fleshly bodies will be brought to perfection and like Adam, will not die as long as they follow Gods law.

The following are excerpts from chapter 15 of revelation.

17 Further, if Christ has not been raised up,
your faith is useless; you remain in your sins. 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in death in union with Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are to be pitied more than anyone.


(these shows man is the body that the spirit/life force activates, and not the spirit that leaves the body, cus the spirit/life force did not fall asleep/die )

23 But eachone in his own proper order: Christ thefirstfruits, afterward those who belong to
the Christ during his presence. 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and
power.

(After the first resurrection the end will come. some people will survive that end in the flesh and will not face death at all, hence no need of any form of resurrection. In the new world, there body will be made perfect like Adams was when he was created.)

35 Nevertheless, someone will say: “How are the dead to be raised up? Yes, with what sort of body are they coming?” ............38 but God gives it a body just as it has pleased him, and gives to each of the seeds its own body. ..........
40 And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort. ..........
48 Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. + 49 And just as
we have borne the image of the one made of
dust, we will bear also the image of the
heavenly one.+

(the first to be ressurected will have heavenly (spirit) bodies. The ones of the second resurrection will have perfect fleshly bodies.)


To be continued.........

vooks:


5. Animals are not spirits

6. Going back to God that gave it does not necessarily mean going to heaven. In any case, if the spirits of men went to heaven, that would be spirits not men! You need to study widely on this and not just pick verses that appear to suit what they fed you with. Has any man ever seen God? Did Isaiah see God? Hope you understand

7. Soul and spirit are used interchangeably. But it could be a third distinct component of man

8. I don't know about going to hell, but that would be his spirit since his body remained in the grave

5. If animals are not spirits, what are they?
Why then do you say man is spirit ? Because the bible helps us to know that man and animals are alike.

6.Sir, my questioned was aimed at showing you that your statement that man is a spirit or the spirit inside man is the man is false.
You have explained it that man is not the spirit in him urself here.
Man is said to go to the grave, his spirit/life force does not follow him to the grave.

7. Soul and spirit are not used interchangeably.
Soul and spirit do not mean the same thing.
The Greek and hebrew words used for soul and spirit in the bible are different and have different meaning .
So I still ask you, what is the soul(that could be distinct third component of man )


8.That is/ could not be his spirit.
Jesus went to hell, the bible says when someone dies his spirit leaves him and his spirit does not follow him to hell.
How can you then atribute man to his spirit when the bible says man went to hell?by the way, what do you understand by hell.?

To be continued.........