@ finofaya. spot on.

irishCream:


Lawyers can lie for the world sha...

Taking from the poor to add to the rich

That's wrong on so many levels. If anything, its lawyers that stand by the poor. Do you know how many people have cases in court that lawyers are representing free of charge?
As for taking from the poor and giving to the rich, that's the banking sector in my opinion. Please seek knowledge on how lawyers work, cause you won't know anything looking inside from the outside. You're bound to have misconcecptions.

Yes of course.
Lawyers argue cases of clients and the client tell his stories, the lawyer only argues the clients story with the aid and predicate of law.
So if there is anyone telling lies, it is the client.
Although there are lawyers who delve into the Arena and cook lies and stories for clients, not all lawyers do so.

You can be a great lawyer and a great Christian and live a life of comfort and fulfillment.

It's all about you.

Normally it's hard but in Nigeria its extra hard if not difficult cos of all the police sorting you have to do. Then there's the court house sorting. You have to sort the court clerks unless you'll never know when your case is up or anything at all. Then all the lies you have to tell the Judge when you or your client can't make it to court. Or the lies you concoct in contracts to extract more money from clients. And these are just the simple ones! It's near impossible

thunder74:

It depends on your definition of success. As for me, I am very successful as a Christian lawyer bc I am fulfilled and happy. I am married with kids, mobile, shelter on my head, food for my belly, play my responsibilities in my family and church, and a blessing to the less privileged and I don't tell lie or add lie to my practice of over a decade.
You need to change your concept of this lawyer are lier thing and don't allow that to hinder your success as a lawyer if you are.
In fact any lawyer that lies is not different from a Pastor that sleeps with his church members bc they both know what they are doing is bad.

Law ethics had made you believe that lawyers don't lie!( That's good, atleast one follows his profession's etiquettes) ......I'm a philosopher and as far as you have written above that what you have is sufficient and enough to be qualified being called a successful lawyer!.....

I want you to know this

Just as stipulated by a sophist (gorgias) he said

Knowledge can not be known, if it could be known, it can't be communicated! If it could be communicated it can't represent exact knowledge the way it is in our minds!

To you, you might say you are successful after achieving
1...Building a house
2....Buying a nice ride
3.....Having a virtuous material wife
4....Good and wonderful kids

Some lawyers might take it from where you stop, did I say might?.....some will do more than that and keep staving for unlimited achievement!s......

I don't know how op will give his own terms on defining success!.....


there is never an objective truth, there are lawyers who could not win a case without lying

There is no lawyer on earth who can argue with logical reasons and win the argument that "all lawyers don't lie in court" even the op knows this


anybody that says he/she has never lied in his/her profession is the biggest liar of all time

this is the reason why i chose to study another course in place of law in the university

Guy lawyer don't rather d use logic to defend their case period.

Two tinz are always involved. Either she repent again or she quits it.

Got a brother in d faith over here,very faithful and committed in his bar job.he is a honourabale lawyer pls

It pains me deeply when non lawyers who hv neither been to court nor know what legal practice entails try to ventilate their ignorance abt the profession.
First, lawyers dnt give evidence in court, witnesses do. So there is no way a lawyer can give false evidence as widely misconceived.
Secondly, cases are prepared in the chambers so every lawyer is at liberty to jettison any 'bad case' at that level.
3rdly, the function of lawyers in court is to sew the facts as advanced by the witnesses with relevant laws and lace it with evidence provided also by the witnesses.
The profession is enigmatic so you are not expected to knw much abt it if u are not into it. Op, you are forgiven. NB, there are notable crafty lawyers as we equally see in other professions.

dhope:
it really baffles me d way dis profession is being practised considering d way and manner dey tell series of lies to defend their clients in court all to ensure dey win d case for dem. we all know d codes and coducts dt guide xtianity but how can a xtian bcom a successful lawyer in dis dirty world without bearing false witness in court for his/her client?

mind u we lawyers don't tell lies as u lay men misquote us. We re bound to defend anyone irrespective of our opinion towards d guilt of the offender or the defender the law obliges us to bring our evidence and administer justice. Pls stop misquoting us, it is against the ambit of the legal profession to pay false witnesses to appear before the court to give testimony.

philips70:


Did I just read Izinyon? Ibori's lawyer? Politicians lawyer born again? Mba, not possible. Maybe outside Nigeria.

Lol. Those who know him personally will tell you as much. Besides, Ibori's acquittal appears to be largely an issue of the FHC judge, Justice Awokulehin. The Court of Appeal has since overturned the acquittal and we eagerly await Ibori's return to Nigeria.

In cases where someone kills another person, and the lawyer tells him to say he has mental issues! isn't that a lie?

This is interesting. We all (including the pastors/men of God) tell little lies every now and then. And I think it's better to tell lie to protect than to tell lies to destroy. Like one of my lecturers back then in the university would illustrate each time he's confronted with similar questions. If, as a good Christian, your pastor rushed into your house gasping for breath and then suddenly a mob appeared and asked if the pastor is here for they need his life. What would be your reply? Your guess is as good as mine...

Jone shebi u knw say God go bless u wit dis ur Masterpiece Analysis

jonescyras:

I don't mean to lie per say!.....
Logically speaking this is what I mean


The truth is 2+1=3

But lawyers will say 1+2-x2\2=3

What brings about other figures other that 1 and 2?

If a mathematician tells you x + y = 2a, you don't call them liars do you?

Law is all about evidence and proof beyond reasonable doubt.

That does not make them liars.

It's like the George Zimmerman case.. He shot an unarmed black boy but was not found guilty based on a 'stand your ground' law..

That's why lawyers say 'the law is an arse'.

Christianity is not against practising Ur profession as the defender of the defenceless (in court). Everybody has a right to be defended. Even chronic assassins

Its like this thread is restricted to litigation lawyers

Osinbajo on my mind
I understand Buhari's Association of Pretending Crooks, APC running mate was Athief'ku's lawyer in 2007 after his electoral loss to Yar'Adua. Then our JagaBandit Asiwaju gave him the Association of Conmen in Nigeria, ACN ticket!

Lawyers base judgment on facts and not sentiments

zinny2049:
mind u we lawyers don't tell lies as u lay men misquote us. We re bound to defend anyone irrespective of our opinion towards d guilt of the offender or the defender the law obliges us to bring our evidence and administer justice. Pls stop misquoting us, it is against the ambit of the legal profession to pay false witnesses to appear before the court to give testimony.

Are you a lawyer too?

FeverRay:
Ethics of Law permits a counsel to do whatever s/he can to win the case for his/her client, even if its to lie. Xtian ethics goes against lying. So, when u wanna pursue ur career in law, think twice, u can't sit on the fence. Either you are for Law, or u r for the Lord. I've been in a courtroom several times, in fact I've been on attachment at a state high court as well. I have lawyer friends, and I understand what it entails to be a lawyer. My opinion is that its not a good profession for a 'born-again' xtian

I really had to respond to this cos u seem to b one of those who tarnish the image of the profession. wen u were talking about ethics of the law were u talking about the rules of professional conduct? my grouse with u is dat ur not even a lawyer, if u were u must av read rule 15 of the RPC wherein a lawyer is enjoined to defend his client within the bounds of the law. where in the law is a lawyer commanded to defend his client by lieing?





THEN to this topic, y do people think that legal practice or litigation is all about defending criminals? criminal law is just less than 10% of wat lawyers do. infact the milk and juice in law is not in defending criminals. ok in a matter of breach of contract wen the contract is embodied in clear documents, and d law is that u cant contradict a document by oral evidence, how do u lie in that matter? moreso, law is the only prifessuon that gives u the highest and broadest career opportunities, there are lawyers dealing with aviation, construction, corporate practice, property etc. so stop thinking litigation is Everyfin, its a small part of legal practice. even in practice, the lawyer does not enter the witness box, the only person that may lie is the client and the job of a good lawyer on the other side is to dismantle those lies. i challenge you, wen u have a case, go to court and lie, and u will melt under the fire of cross examination.

where are my 12 cents?

lawyers lie. yes...but who doesn't? mind you, that lawyers lie does not mean ALL lawyers are liars nor that one MUST lie to make it as a lawyer. corruption and dishonesty is in EVERY profession, its worse even in religion. like Mr Alimi of the NLS Lagos once said, if a man who is a perennial liar becomes a lawyer, will he stop lieing? its just about who u are, lieing and even corruption has nothing to do with ur profession. .....and its really annoying that non-lawyers have, in this thread, become professionals at what happens in the legal profession.

MadCow1:



If a mathematician tells you x + y = 2a, you don't call them liars do you?

Law is all about evidence and proof beyond reasonable doubt.

That does not make them liars.

It's like the George Zimmerman case.. He shot an unarmed black boy but was not found guilty based on a 'stand your ground' law..

That's why lawyers say 'the law is an arse'.

Clarify this

A case was brought up to a lawyer!......
His client intentionally sent some armed gangs to silent a friend of his,(perhaps they were both lobbying for the same political office until his death).....before the armed killers killed the man, they made confession of he who have sent them, unknowingly to them, one of the sons of the man under an abrupt death is hidden somewhere save, he records in a video format everything that happened.....after the long run, the man was assassinated!.........

Not quite long, the matter popped up that the man appears in the law court......








Pls, don't bring sentiment into this, how will the alway-tell-true lawyer backup his client without telling lieS?

Yes, it's very possible and even as a politician. The thing is, nothing on its own is a sin, it's d way we do or use things that makes it a sin. Also, any born-again child of God can function anywhere. Sm pple think politics is an aborminable thing for christian. This is wrong. Our political setting seems to b failing today, simply because it is being anchored and undertaken by the wrong, unchanged and godless people; operating in the flesh. Sinners spoil everything they engage in and so we need changed persons to change Nigeria. Conclusively, you can practise any profession and be successful in it as a born-again Christian; making God famous, alongside.

finofaya:


This your OP should be in the career section.

I don't think you've been inside a court room before, judging by the misconception you have about lawyers.

I'm sure you realize that a lawyer can resort to lying only when the facts are not in his/her favour. Therefore, you cannot lie when the facts are in your favour. It is not correct to say that lawyers always lie. You have to choose your clients carefully. A lawyer cannot bear false witness anyway, since it is the litigant who gives evidence.

If you've heard of appeal, you'd know that a lawyer would have to lie his way through at least three different courts and 8 different judges in order to completely win a case. It is difficult to lie your way to total victory in court. Lawyers also depend on their reputations a lot; if you're a known liar, judges tend to be wary of you and it becomes harder to get away with stuff, meaning less success for you.

There are quite a number of lawyers, SAN's even, who are good christians. You have the likes of Ozekhome or Izinyon in this category.

A born again christian lawyer should not define career success in terms of money, instead it should be defined by the positive impact you have on the resolution of particular disputes and on the legal system in general. Generally, any person that sets out to make all of the money would not qualify as a born again christian. Money is said to be the root of all evil.

You don't have to be a trial lawyer. There are so many other options available to you that don't involve advocacy.

A lot of times, litigants think lawyers are telling lies because they fail to grasp that legal requirements for evidence differ from their personal requirements for evidence.

So yes, a born again christian, what ever that means, can be a successful lawyer, just as he can be a successful business man. There is nothing about being a lawyer that requires lying.

You've just lied to cover their lies.

@ OP, get this straight into ur skull and brain, profession is different from religion, u don't combine the 2.

summerflame:
@ OP, get this straight into ur skull and brain, profession is different from religion, u don't combine the 2.

But what do you do in the case your profession is against your faith?

@op, i'll say capital YES to the topic. What you need to know is that there are different spheres of legal practice. Whichever one you decide to settle for, there is always the opportunity to decipher which brief to take on.

Take for instance, a commercial lawyer would have no reason to twist facts beyond his/her clients' instructions which would make such a lawyer a liar.

You don't seems to understand me, Religion is an asect of life, profession is an aspect of life as well, they don't go together. They are just like a 2 parallel lines. Profession don't go against religion and vice versa

goodgood2:
You've just lied to cover their lies.

Which of my claims is a lie?