Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by mazzi: 8:09pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
oluwalfa:
A proverb in my village says, "when a she-goat posts on nairaland, the obviousness is obvious". choi!!!nwanne that ngbeke deserve more that this. |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by phantom(m): 8:12pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
i keep asking myself how we the igbos became this politically naive ![](/faces/huh.png) ![](/faces/huh.png) its frightening! 2 Likes |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by Duru1(m): 8:14pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
PhenomenonVFX: Any intelligent person reading the article will know that the author is not saying all Igbo should support Buhari. The central theme of his write-up is the bitterness with which some brain-dead Igbos oppose fellow Igbos who support Buhari. They use different tactics from intimidation to ostracization to cower people with differing political views. These kind of senseless Igbos are the ones I called Igbo barbarians. Some of the mugus even started burning APC flags recently. But the will be the first to kowtow at Aso Rock should APC win next years election. Thoughtless baboons. Dont support APC. But stop threatening and bitterly insulting Igbos who do. If every Hausa or Fulani politically supports Buhari, then your benign attempt to be reasonable deserves a second glance. However if the opposite is remotely the case, thus, all Hausa or Fulani does not politically prefer Buhari to another candidate, it is fair to say you are more idiotic than the ethnic group you have castigated in your post. 9 Likes |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by Nobody: 8:17pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
Duru1:
If every Hausa or Fulani politically supports Buhari, then your benign attempt to be reasonable deserves a second glance. However if the opposite is remotely the case, thus, all Hausa or Fulani does not politically prefer Buhari to another candidate, it is fair to say you are more idiotic than the ethnic group you have castigated in your post. Thank you for the reply, I thought of giving him something to think about tonight before ur replied. |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by mazzi: 8:17pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
oluwalfa:
A proverb in my village says, "when a she-goat posts on nairaland, the obviousness is obvious". choi!!! |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by Duru1(m): 8:18pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
phantom: i keep asking myself how we the igbos became this politically naive![](/faces/huh.png) its frightening! I honestly suggest you vouch for yourself politically. Please remove Ndiigbo from your political shenanigans. 4 Likes |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by Abagworo(m): 8:21pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
CaptainOjemba: Has nigeria being a good country before now? pls remember that I can't give my vote to the so called mr integrity neither will I give it to the clueless man. Nobody can stop corruption in this country cos it has eaten every fibre of this country, the only thing that can be done to salvage the country is changing the system. How can the system be changed? When Jonathan entered in 2010 I thought true federalism will be his major agenda but he seemed comfortable with the unitary system and he is enjoying the absolute power the system bestows on the President but has not applied it wisely. Federalism must not be completely fiscal but decentralisation of stately roles and then gradually fiscal aspects will be introduced. My best bet is a possible Igbo independent country but Igbos are not supporting that. They keep humiliating and killing Biafran activists and Igbos keep blind eye to it because they want to be in Jonathans good book. You cant get freedom that way. |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by Nobody: 8:23pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
Duru1:
If every Hausa or Fulani politically supports Buhari, then your benign attempt to be reasonable deserves a second glance. However if the opposite is remotely the case, thus, all Hausa or Fulani does not politically prefer Buhari to another candidate, it is fair to say you are more idiotic than the ethnic group you have castigated in your post. ![](/faces/huh.png) Foolish old man. Ur brain must be rotting along with the rest of ur body. Apparently ur comprehension skills is dulling with ur eyesight. Old goat. Read what I wrote again carefully. Or call one of ur grandsons, the one lucky enough to have a brain among them, to help u read it. 5 Likes |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by fairheven: 8:26pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
stanech: I won't vote buhari not just because I am igbo but because I don't want an old man who truncated a democratic government and arrested Ambrose Ali the best governor the then bendel state ever had.
A friend of mine told me that buhari planed that coup because the south was developing faster than the north. And some how I believe him. Truncating democracy..well that was the worst democratic government we have witnessed,buhari did just the right tin. Shagari's administration wud have led to Nigeria's disintegration,but tank god for Buhari. 2 Likes |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by backtosender: 8:27pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
You that is fighting for APC party what is the position of igbos in that party?i think OP should count igbos out from anything APC igbos are the light while APC represent darkness 3 Likes |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by Kenai: 8:33pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
phantom: i keep asking myself how we the igbos became this politically naive![](/faces/huh.png) its frightening! Politically naive in what sense? Mind clarifying a little? ![smiley](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/smiley.png) 1 Like |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by stanech: 8:34pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
fairheven:
Truncating democracy..well that was the worst democratic government we have witnessed,buhari did just the right. Shagari's administration wud led to Nigeria's disintegration,but that god for Buhari. So buhari is afraid of disintegration? Really? The same buhari that supports sharia shouldn't he be happy about disintegration so that he can practice his sharia properly. Shagari's Administration couldn't have been the worst because most of the visible projects in Edo state today was done by that government. Buhari is just to me a power hungry man that's all |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by fairheven: 8:37pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
PhenomenonVFX: Any intelligent person reading the article will know that the author is not saying all Igbo should support Buhari. The central theme of his write-up is the bitterness with which some brain-dead Igbos oppose fellow Igbos who support Buhari. They use different tactics from intimidation to ostracization to cower people with differing political views. These kind of senseless Igbos are the ones I called Igbo barbarians. Some of the mugus even started burning APC flags recently. But the will be the first to kowtow at Aso Rock should APC win next years election. Thoughtless baboons. Dont support APC. But stop threatening and bitterly insulting Igbos who do. My brother,I posted a topic yesterday an one "faceless masquerade" demanded that I shud swear by Amadioha,if I am Ibo. Don't know wen it has bcome a crime to follow one's conscience instead of sentiment. 4 Likes |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by FreeGlobe(f): 8:40pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
phantom: as usual my brothers are emotionally firing from all cylinders while ,missing the obvious point of the article There is nothing new in the article. Same blackmailing igbos to vote Buhari narrative which now sounds like a broken record. They say igbos are never united, now they are not happy at igbos being united over a common cause which is reject Buhari. The earlier you align with this order as an "igbo man" the better for you. 11 Likes |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by dagentility(f): 8:40pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
Thrash,its still Gej or no other. 4 Likes |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by backtosender: 8:44pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
FreeGlobe:
There is nothing new in the article. Same blackmailing igbos to vote Buhari narrative which now sounds like a broken record. They say igbos are never united, now they are not happy at igbos being united over a common cause which is reject Buhari. The earlier you align with this order as an "igbo man" the better for you. the poster is not real igbo he is a wanabe ibo 1 Like |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by fx45(m): 8:46pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
Adminisher: Ibos are above all motivated by the urge for vengeance against imagined hurts. This mass emotion is causing the collective folly of supporting the sinking Jonathan regime against all dictates of common sense. Ok. Let's see how deep this Jonathan ship will sink... And in any case it finally doesn't get to sink, I'll definitely be on the laughing and mocking side of the divide. U guys are beginning to celebrate a wee to early! That's usually the sign of an impending failure 3 Likes |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by fairheven: 8:48pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
stanech:
So buhari is afraid of disintegration? Really?
The same buhari that supports sharia shouldn't he be happy about disintegration so that he can practice his sharia properly.
Shagari's Administration couldn't have been the worst because most of the visible projects in Edo state today was done by that government.
Buhari is just to me a power hungry man that's all Buhari supporting sharia...and so wat?did anybody force sharia on you? Visible projects in Edo state...that's all you cud tink of,one state out of all the states of the federation,wat happened to the rest? An that also tells me that GEJ hasn't realy done much projects that are visible if you still particular about shagaris projects,the more reason for GEJ to be voted out,or way says thou? |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by Nobody: 8:50pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
Abagworo:
How can the system be changed? When Jonathan entered in 2010 I thought true federalism will be his major agenda but he seemed comfortable with the unitary system and he is enjoying the absolute power the system bestows on the President but has not applied it wisely.
Federalism must not be completely fiscal but decentralisation of stately roles and then gradually fiscal aspects will be introduced. My best bet is a possible Igbo independent country but Igbos are not supporting that. They keep humiliating and killing Biafran activists and Igbos keep blind eye to it because they want to be in Jonathans good book. You cant get freedom that way. so since gej could not change the structure u now feel buhari can support the structural change? Both gej n buhari are unfit to govern nigeria. We need intelligent fellows n I could not see it in both of them. As for Biafra, am indifferent to its cause. Wud like a workable nigeria where there is a mutual respect for all groups. 2 Likes |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by Nobody: 8:54pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
fairheven:
My brother,I posted a topic yesterday an one "faceless masquerade" demanded that I shud swear by Amadioha,if I am Ibo. Don't know wen it has bcome a crime to follow one's conscience instead of sentiment. That is the problem with those mugus. They defend GEJ as if their lives depended on it but will not allow other Igbos freedom of expression or association. It is either their way or the highway. All Igbo must think like them or they will throw tantrums. Soon they will come here and asking about ur lineage. Then suggest that u should go and ask ur mother who ur father is. Those childish archaic practice of senseless barbarians. 5 Likes |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by Duru1(m): 8:54pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
PhenomenonVFX:
![](/faces/huh.png) Foolish old man. Ur brain must be rotting along with the rest of ur body. Apparently ur comprehension skills is dulling with ur eyesight. Old goat. Read what I wrote again carefully. Or call one of ur grandsons, the one lucky enough to have a brain among them, to help u read it. I do not need to write more than you have written about your silly characteristics since you have the audacity to insult a person whom you thought is older than your parents. 7 Likes |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by HzRF(m): 9:00pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
berem: how long will we continue drumming into their ears? I read some irritating comments on facebook and you need to see how some Igbos have been brainwashed you just wonder what is happening to their brains. Ike gwuru! I swear seun nd Other mods dey fall person hand U suppose ban this girl if not for stupidity As least she breach rule no2 hrs ago |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by Nobody: 9:04pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
HzRF:
I swear seun nd Other mods dey fall person hand U suppose ban this girl if not for stupidity As least she breach rule no2 hrs ago who is this scumbag following me around nairaland and disturbing my mentions requesting for Seun to ban me? Ban me for what biko? Are you insane? |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by fx45(m): 9:04pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
FreeGlobe:
There is nothing new in the article. Same blackmailing igbos to vote Buhari narrative which now sounds like a broken record. They say igbos are never united, now they are not happy at igbos being united over a common cause which is reject Buhari. The earlier you align with this order as an "igbo man" the better for you. Thank U... I thank God there are still a lot of intelligent Igbo women on this forum. Placing U side by side with that retard called Berem is like comparing light and darkness. Keep the light shining. They have resorted to cheap blackmail and it will never work. Buhari is a failed project in Igboland and that's it. 7 Likes |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by Nobody: 9:06pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
fx45:
Thank U... I thank God there are still a lot of intelliigent Igbo women on this forum. Placing U side by side with that retard called Berem is like comparing light and darkness. Keep the light shining.
They have resorted to cheap blackmail and it will never work. Buhari is a failed project in Igboland and that's it.
see this brainwashed fool! Who told you the person you quoted is female? Hahahahaha!!! |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by HzRF(m): 9:08pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
berem: who is this scumbag following me around nairaland and disturbing my mentions requesting for Seun to ban me? Ban me for what biko? Are you insane? Google it |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by Descartes: 9:12pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
oluwalfa:
A proverb in my village says, "when a she-goat posts on nairaland, the obviousness is obvious". Also this adage that says "Okeke nwanyi do nti njo" ![embarassed](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/embarassed.png) |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by waternogeteneny: 9:14pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
phantom: the following post is from a friend on facebook and is directed at our kinsmen,the igbos! enjoy!!! N/B: i highlighted some important points
I will start this write-up with the analogy of the broken down clock for the sole reason that I do not intend this post to be an avenue for stereo-typing the igbos, but as an avenue for we from the South East region to tell ourselves some home-truth (like every race or ethnic group does from time to time) and stop what seems to be an exercise in self ridicule. Now, to the analogy of the broken down clock:
A broken down clock we all know cannot be relied on for telling the time of the day, especially for those who know its state of function. But regardless of that state of function, we all know it has its fingers pointing at some random time, which is usually the time at which it broke down. Lets just say for the sake of this write-up, our clock broke down at exactly 4 o' clock.
A stranger who comes into the house at time of say 3.55 (am or pm), 4.00 (am or pm), 4.05 (am or pm) would see the clock as still correct, or even accurate if he came in at exactly 4.00 (am or pm), but the owner of the house knows the true state of the clock, and the stranger would need to stay longer to know the clock is truly broken down. But the truth is, as a time piece, I was correct twice for the day. At every other time, it was on the WRONG side of time.
In Nigeria, we have many people who analyse like broken down clocks. They seem to be correct not because they possess sterling analytical power, but because the situation which serves their myopic view speaks for itself. Once their position is on the wrong side of the argument, they cannot be fixed. We have them all over Nigeria, from those who rightly presently demand GEJ to be sacked at the polls in 2015 (but for some reason, supported a moribound Umaru Musa Yar Adua to rule Nigeria from his death bed), to those who called for GEJ's impeachment (but threatened the coporate existence of Nigeria should OBJ be impeached, remember OPC's famous "impeach OBJ, impeach Nigeria declaration). Yes, I know, many of them are "making sense" now, and are "gbaming", mass "liking", and high fiving each others' write-ups, but we who live in the house know their "broken down" antecedents, and I know they will be the new problem should an APC leadership begin to derail, should they take over in 2015. But for now, the broken down time piece is telling the correct time, and I hope the clocks that are working correctly will be there to tell the time when real time goes past the hour. It is these people that will eventually save the nation from itself.
But, lets leave those alone for now, its time to address those who seem to be on the wrong side of time......... Now, we are all aware that GEJ has the most ardent support from the South East. On the surface, that is not a bad thing, everybody has a right to support a candidate of his own choice, and GEJ has the constitutional right to contest, but the reason behind such quickly betrays a sense of hatred, fear and insecurity around such support. The strong emotion with which they respond to their fellow south-easterners who try to be different betrays the ultimate fact that they are really neo-phytes when it comes to reading the political terrain.
These people are so locked in 1966, they forget they are falling into the same mistake of the Northern avengers of 1966, who thought they were doing justice to alleged Igbo domination, but ended up ruining Nigeria and the North even more. These people were seriously calling for devolution of powers and resource control, but do not realise that 2 southern Presidents (one from the Niger Delta) have failed to bring about a satisfactory form of federalism, now they seek to dominate that centre which they alleged to hate so much, when they had ample time to pursue their legitimate interest.
You claim GEJ has done a lot for the igbos more than any President. Well, in terms of appointments, he may have, and there is a psychological feeling about occupying a post whose elusion is thought to be a conspiracy of some sorts, but that is where it ends. It doesn't put food on the table of the average Igbo man more than it does for the Igala man or Jukun woman. And the Airport? [b]Thanks, but apart from that, what else? PTF did much more when oil was less than $20 a barrel. Much more for the common man, the 90% who probably will never use an airport. Roads in the South East remain deplorable, and the Second Niger Bridge is now so notorious a project, any Leader who wants to do the igbos "longer-throat" just needs to say "second Niger Bridge" and he will get our ears. [/b]Remember GEJ said he either completes the Second Niger Bridge by 2015 or he goes to exile. Does it look like all the sand and run down facilities in that area will suddenly become a bridge in 2015? And must it always be about roads and bridges? Dem born us born cement and concrete? What has he done for health that the igbos can shout alleluyah in particular? What about electricity? Does the East have more power supply than the rest of Nigeria? Are Igbo business-men selling more goods more than ever before? Are we buying agricultural produce cheaper than the rest of the country? Is Abakaliki rice more plentiful now than before? Why are our expectations so shallow?
You argue that he is one of us, that he is Igbo. I have never seen any argument betraying more confusion than this. GEJ is not Igbo. He is not even IJAW. He is an OGBIA man, an ethnic group of about 250,000. He has no Igbo name given to him from birth. AZIKIWE is a PET NAME given to him by his mother, because he smiled like the then famous Nnamdi Azikiwe. I had a school mate of COMPLETE Igbo blood in my days in UNEC whose nick-name was ABACHA simply because of his mannerisms. His birth certificate had no Abacha written on it. Meanwhile, it may interest you to know GEJ never took the AZIKIWE name seriously even while he was Governor of Bayelsa and Acting President, but I guess because of people like you, his sudden adoption of the name yielded dividends, and is about to yield further dividends because you cannot see beyond your nose.
Then the second name EBELE. Some un-informed people have called it EBELE-CHUKWU in the past. Well, that is wrong. It is actually EBELEMI, a full nomenclature in OGBIA language. So before you campaign, at least get your facts right.
Another argument, is that we the igbos need to be at peace with our neighbours. I say, it is fine to be at peace, but not to the point of black-mail. Peace without Justice is peace of the grave-yard. [b]Yes, we have a right to support our neighbours, but some of us can also remember that those our neighbours who we desperately want to be at peace with, actually had a voting pattern in the past which was automatically against any candidate who came from the South East. Go and check your records of voting patterns from 1979 elections to 2011. I wont go into the various avenues at which we were sabotaged during the unfortunate civil war. And the abandoned properties nko? Have they given us back? Even the Late Ken Saro-Wiwa, an Ogoni man (our neighbours) "occupied" a house "abandoned" by an Igbo-man when the civil war started. So, how exactly do you define living in genuine peace? Only when it benefits one person? Yes, by-gones should be by-gones, but my common sense still remains. If you want to dig up the role of the Hausas in that event, then let us complete the whole process, then the Efiks and Ibibios will also remind us (the Igbos) of the atrocities we committed against them as well.[/b]
It would have been different if it was a Murtala Mohammed contesting (the man who was responsible for the execution of almost 2,000 unarmed civillians in Asaba during the civil war), or if Buhari had any specific war crime to his name. But that is not the case. In politics, the duration of friendship or enmity is not permanent. What is permanent is INTEREST.
My arch-enemy of yesterday can become my friend today if I rightly identify my interest. Its for this same reason:
1. The Germans and the Jews (Isrealis) are friends and vital business partners today, despite the fact that the Germans gassed 6 million jews to death, with the intention of wiping them off the planet.
2. The Americans fought a bitter war of independence with the imperial British. Today, their alliance is one of the closest and most reliable on the planet.
3. England and France fought a war that lasted 100 years (yes 100). Yet today, one of the most technologically advanced tunnels connects both countries.
I can go on and on and on about how enmities of yesterday have become formidable alliances today based on common sense and identification of objective, legitimate interest. So don't go about calling an Igbo man using his common sense an EFULEFU. You are the one who is lost in the past. This one is our ikwere bro.... Did Amaechi send u, tell Amaechi that GEJ is respectful and have more regard for igbos than him. How many times have ur fellow ikere kinsmen had to call Amaechi to order about is utterances about the entire igbo nation. Ikwere should pray very hard that the ijaws don't start killing them from the south and the igbos killing them from the east. Pray very well and shove this ur trash where the sun don't shine. GEJ tilll 2019 6 Likes |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by Nobody: 9:16pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
what is permanent is interest... but being sincere Gej has tried for d Igbo ppl... I ve one thing against him... Gej built d east-west road dat connects d entire southsouth, he commissioned it fully and it's nearing completion... but when it came for sth he was to do for the southeast, d 2nd Niger bridge... he used ppp... which means d ppl wud have to pay a toll to use d bridge.. Mr president y didn't u toll east-west road but u re planning to toll d 2nd Niger bridge... it's not right, what's good for tonye is also good for azikiwe. 1 Like |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by waternogeteneny: 9:20pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
lygn19: what is permanent is interest... but being sincere Gej has tried for d Igbo ppl... I ve one thing against him... Gej built d east-west road dat connects d entire southsouth, he commissioned it fully and it's nearing completion... but when it came for sth he was to do for the southeast, d 2nd Niger bridge... he used ppp... which means d ppl wud have to pay a toll to use d bridge.. Mr president y didn't u toll east-west road but u re planning to toll d 2nd Niger bridge... it's not right, what's good for tonye is also good for azikiwe. Let them use the ppp and build the bridge, they will not tow any bridge, na just politics. |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by FreeGlobe(f): 9:23pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
berem: see this brainwashed fool! Who told you the person you quoted is female? Hahahahaha!!! Berem take time, stop blackmailing my handle ![cool](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/cool.png) |
Re: The Igbos: Are We Guided By Memory, Or Blinded By Bitterness? by Nobody: 9:23pm On Dec 21, 2014 |
Duru1:
I do not need to write more than you have written about your silly characteristics since you have the audacity to insult a person whom you thought is older than your parents.
I guess this means u re-read what I wrote and have come to realise ur foolishness. The problem with being perpetually bitter is that u get paranoid and begin to read ur own meaning into whatever people say or do. Ur preconceived notions formed ur first reply to my first comment. U couldnt even wait to understand what I wrote. LMAO. Now u are feeling like sheep. |