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Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by Hiswordxray(m): 1:24pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
[quote author=frosbel post=29133469][/quote] OK, you believe in God's great works and wonder but you don't believe in the virgin birth. Wow! who is the confused person? God loves you but you are being childish. Here is a principle of God's kingdom: You need to believe God's word before you understand. "through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God." (Rom 5:2). It is by faith you would receive the grace to understand the mysteries of God. You need to have faith first (believe in His word) before you can receive the grace to understand. |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by esere826: 1:28pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
frosbel: Since you are still studying and have not arrived at rigorous conclusions yet you would do good to yourself for now not to use the word "contradiction" Try using "inconsistencies" instead 1 Like |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by PastorKun(m): 1:28pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
frosbel: Are you limiting God to human knowledge of biology |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by Weah96: 1:28pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
Hiswordxray: You can be brutally honest sometimes. Thanks. This is like receiving a lot of change from a stranger and not bothering to count the money. Big money baller!!!! 1 Like |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by ooman(m): 1:30pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
PastorKun: Is virgin birth biology? 2 Likes |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by shdemidemi(m): 1:32pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
esere826: The Virgin birth is the heart of Christianity. If Jesus happen to be like you and I in the sense that he is a direct progeny of the fallen Adam, He wouldn't have been fit to die for the sin of mankind. Paul puts it this way-Rm 8v3 For God achieved what the law could not do because it was weakened through the flesh. [size=22pt]By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, he condemned sin in the flesh[/size], He was not sent as you and I but like you and I i.e without natural copulation between a man and a woman. If a pastor does not believe this, he really does not understand what he proclaims. 1 Like |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by Hiswordxray(m): 1:37pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
Weah96:Are you a Christian? |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by ooman(m): 1:38pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
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Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by esere826: 1:42pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
shdemidemi: It is the heart of Christianity alright but when the gospel was being preached to the gentiles, that was not what was being preached, because, not all gentiles had the narrative of the fall of man in the first place. The 'evidence' of the virgin birth was more useful to the Jewish tradition What was being preached to the gentiles was that there was one true God who they should look up to. And that this Yahweh God sent a man -Jesus who if they believed in him, they would have access to this one true God. And so, instead of beseeching the other gods for favours, they should turn their attention to Yahweh through Jesus who will not only grant them these favours when asked right, but will also take them to a better place in the afterlife |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by Hiswordxray(m): 1:46pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
esere826:Stop arguing. I get your point but you don't need to be arguing with your fellow Christian but instead let help our beloved brother who is falling away. |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by esere826: 1:47pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
The gospel to the gentiles was not largely centered around the Torah They were not expected to buy copies of the Torah either Paul rebuked Peter because he sought to introduce some Torah traditions to the gentile flock The gospel was simply one of power and miraculous deed. This is the kind of thing that appealed to the gentiles and could pull them from their own beliefs. |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by Nobody: 1:47pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
PastorKun: No, absolute not. But, there are inconsistencies and plain fabrications in the virgin birth story which by the way was not mentioned by any of the apostles including Paul in any of their letters/writeups/epistles. Remember Matthew, Mark , Luke and John were not written by Matthew, Mark , Luke and John. If you doubt me just Google it. Still, we are left with Matthew referencing a totally unrelated prophecy in Isaiah 7:14 and 2 gospel accounts with heaps of contradictions especially on the two different genealogy accounts in Matthew and Luke. I asked a few simple questions : 1. Where did Jesus get his Y Chromosome from ( Does God have gender ) 2. Who is his father - God the Father or God the Spirit 3. Why did his parents and siblings consider him an ordinary bloke ? |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by Nobody: 1:51pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
[quote author=esere826 post=29134788] wrong. The Jews reject this as an outright lie, there is nowhere in their scripture that a virgin birth was mentioned, at least they should know, it is their book we borrowed. |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by esere826: 1:52pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
Hiswordxray: I don't think he is falling Jesus says that seeds grow only when they die. He is shedding skin and dead weight as long as his inner man is anchored on solid rock the fire of revelations will only burn off confusion and leave someone that is sounder and more approved 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by johnydon22(m): 1:53pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
shdemidemi: What are y'all yapping about. Calling a spade a spade how is it a bad thing. y'all know that they are truly myths and fabrications in the bible but y'all chose to ignore it but frosbel dont.. Y'all believe this cus its wat was indoctrinated to u from.birth by ur parents. so because the bible said a snake talked we should all believe a snake once talked doesnt it sound like tue folklore they use to tell us as kids about tortoise and lions and other animals. guys stop all this.... 2 Likes |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by Nobody: 1:58pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
esere826: Thank You Sir |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by Nobody: 2:00pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
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Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by esere826: 2:02pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
frosbel: read my post again What I said or implied was that a virgin birth would be more significant to the jews. I didn't say that they were expecting it. and the reason it would be significant to them was because of the genesis narrative Genesis of the Torah says that one man directly from God brought death it only makes arguable sense to scholars of the Jewish tradition that one man directly from God will also bring life this is a point that can be argued to those who believe in the Torah Just like Paul did ..but wait a minute the next question becomes, where the Jews even thinking of a Messiah that would reverse the Genesis curse? the answer is No The whole concept of Jesus must have hit them with a surprise the Messiah they were expecting was one in the mould of david, and maybe mini moses someone that would make them a great earthly kingdom free from colonialists such as the Roman Empire |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by johnydon22(m): 2:09pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
frosbel:Frosbel i have always wanted to talk to you concerning all this. if you ask this question from now till tomorrow nobody can answer that cus truly none of them knows. they know all this but they have no choice but to believe it with faith. People know that the canon of the bible was assembled by the catholic church but yet they will still argue over it cus of emotional sentimental attachment. I do not see a reason why the contradictions in the bible should be ignored and believed as truths. everybody knows humans wrote the bible tho some like to insist it was vua the inspiration of the holy spirit but that is what you have been told by the same bible. humans are prone to error and contradictions and that can explain the contradictions in the bible but some people will still insist that those contradictions are not truly contradictions. if you say the bible is infallible then arent you saying the people that wrote it are infallible by proxy? why then will you reject it when it is said that the pope is infallible? Christians tend to ignore this contradictions cus they know that by unravelling these contradictions and mistakes the very foundation of the christian fate will be exposed and none would remain, all will find that many thins u believe all life is just exactly what a set of old men in the council niccea wants you to believe. i have stopped the habit of arguing because none would ever believe the other is right. even the strongest Christians find all the stories implausible but they have to believe with faith because the bible said so. The bible makes mistake and then somewhere it says believe with faith, do you see? They is nothing u say that will make these Christians agree with u cus this is what they av believed from birth and are no doubt emotionally attached to it. everybody can think and research but they can only do this on their own. 1 Like |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by shdemidemi(m): 2:10pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
johnydon22: If they had told you the moon, the sun and the stars can all stand independent of any man, I am sure your logical brain will also call that some form of mythology or folklore. But as God will have it you can see it for yourself and you can't explain those things and so many other things that have been divinely put together supernaturally. I am too sure you like frosbel are only looking for excuses not to believe even when there are countless reasons to believe the bible and God. |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by johnydon22(m): 2:14pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
shdemidemi: what? the sun and moon what this thing you just typed makes sense to you 1 Like |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by Nobody: 2:37pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
shdemidemi: I believe in God , but not your god who propagates myths and fables as Truth. |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by Hiswordxray(m): 2:40pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
esere826:I agree but dying in this case mean coming to realize that you wisdom could not grasp the things of God. This will lead him to trust the wisdom Of God even if he doesn't understand it. I believe there is hope for him but first he must learn to call his wisdom foolishness and submit to the wisdom of God. He must learn to recognize the truth with his heart even before his head could understand it. The greatest wisdom is learning to recognize the truth with the heart. |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by Hiswordxray(m): 2:46pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
frosbel:So which God do you believe in? |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by Nobody: 2:47pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
Hiswordxray: Definitely not the God of Christianity |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by Weah96: 2:48pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
No man in his right mind will walk into a fire, except a suicidal person. But that's because suicidal people want to DIE, not ROAST forever and ever. I often hear believers accuse atheists of rejecting God for some reason. This is an extremely silly position because nobody will see an eternal fire and enter it. That kind of behavior is not common to human beings. Its one thing to die and another to roast forever. So stop this nonsense. 95% of the citizens of North Korea hate their president and many wouldn't mind killing him if given the chance. But that doesn't stop them from WORSHIPING him as GOD incarnate. Why should atheists be any different? 2 Likes |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by plaetton: 2:51pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
esere826:Spoken like a politician. Being a private citizen, why does Frosbel need to be politically correct in his soul searching? |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by Hiswordxray(m): 2:52pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
frosbel:1. How did God create chicken, is God a chicken? 2. Who is your parents - your mother or your father? 3. Why did Marry asked Jesus to turn water to wine when she haven't seen him perform any miracle before? |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by Hiswordxray(m): 2:54pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
frosbel:And you don't believe in Jesus too? |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by shdemidemi(m): 2:59pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
frosbel: And the supernatural account of Jesus is the supposed myth and fables abi? |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by wirinet(m): 3:06pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
shdemidemi: The bolded is one of the doctrines of christianity i cannot wrap my head around. They say he is free from orignial sin because a man was not involved in his conception. But how does that exonorate him from Eveic sin? Since eve was the first that ate the apple and thus was the first to sin, it means she was as culpable as Adam. Jesus at least have the genes of Eve (even if we assume the other half was absent), so it means Jesus has half the original sin in his genes. Jesus was a direct progeny of the fallen Eve. The doctrine went further to suggest that children born as a result of copulation is sinful. I honestly do not know where they get this. Sex within marriage is said to be unsinful or holy. So how come they are now implying that a child born under wedlock is sinful and confers sin on the innocent baby? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is Frosbel Now An Atheist ? by Nobody: 3:12pm On Dec 23, 2014 |
You need to be Christ Conscious dump everything else |
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