I keep wondering why up till today Jehovah witnesses have not change their perpective about celebrating xmas as worshiping of idol of god of mars.
Are all other christians celebrating xmas are the one in error or the Jehovah witnesses.

Infact the kids around me do not even have any clue about god of mars, all they know is that xmas means JESUS CHRIST IS BORN.
And in the nearest future how will JW be able to sustain their proof.

Pls your idea/ideology needed on this, thanks

Im sorry but Jehovah witnesses could be in error as to thinking that archangel michael is Jesus & other irreconcilable doctrinal errors, bt the fault is not with the members bt with their headquarters in prolly US that is feeding their minds with such errors.

Nearly all aspects of Christmas observance have their roots in Roman custom and religion. Consider the following admission from a large American newspaper (The Buffalo News, Nov. 22, 1984): “The earliest reference to Christmas being marked on Dec. 25 comes from the second century after Jesus' birth. It is considered likely the first Christmas celebrations were in reaction to the Roman Saturnalia, a harvest festival that marked the winter solstice—the return of the sun—and honored Saturn, the god of sowing. Saturnalia was a rowdy time, much opposed by the more austere leaders among the still-minority Christian sect. Christmas developed, one scholar says, as a means of replacing worship of the sun with worship of the Son. By 529 A.D., after Christianity had become the official state religion of the Roman Empire, Emperor Justinian made Christmas a civic holiday. The celebration of Christmas reached its peak—some would say its worst moments—in the medieval period when it became a time for conspicuous consumption and unequaled revelry.” Consider these quotes from theCatholic Encyclopedia, 1911 edition, under “Christmas”: “Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church…the first evidence of the feast is from Egypt.” Further, “Pagan customs centering around the January calends gravitated to Christmas.” Under “Natal Day,” Origen, an early Catholic writer, admitted, “…In the Scriptures, no one is recorded to have kept a feast or held a great banquet on his birthday. It isonly sinners(like Pharaoh and Herod) who make great rejoicings over the day in which they were born into this world” (emphasis mine). TheEncyclopedia Americana, 1956 edition, adds, “Christmas…was not observed in the first centuries of the Christian church, since the Christian usage in general was to celebrate the death of remarkable persons rather than their birth…a feast was established in memory of this event [Christ's birth] in the fourth century. In the fifth century the Western Church ordered the feast to be celebrated forever on the day of the Mithraic rites of the birth of the sun and at the close of the Saturnalia, as no certain knowledge of the day of Christ's birth existed.” There is no mistaking the origin of the modern Christmas celebration. Many additional sources could be cited and we will return to this later. Let's begin to tie some other facts together. It was 300 years after Christ before the Roman church kept Christmas, and not until the fifth century that it was mandated to be kept throughout the empire as an official festival honoring “Christ.” Can Christ Be Honored by Christmas? The most common justification that one will hear regarding Christmas is that people have replaced old pagan customs and intents by asserting that they are now “focusing on Christ.” I have heard many say that they are “honoring Christ” in their Christmas-keeping. The problem is that Goddoes not say this is acceptable to Him! Actually, He plainly commands against it!Keeping ChristmasdishonorsChrist! He considers everything about it to be an abomination! We will soon see why. Christ said, “But invainthey doworshipMe, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” ( Matt. 15:9). Christmas is not a command of God—it is a tradition of men. Christ continued, “Full well yourejectthe commandment of God, that you may keep your owntradition” ( Mark 7:9). Every year, throughout the world, on December 25th, hundreds of millions do just that! We will see that God plainly commands, “Follow not the way of the heathen.” But most people do not fear God, and He allows them to make their own decisions. Human beings are free moral agents—free to obey or disobey God! But woe to those who ignore the plain Word of God! Was Christ Born on December 25th? Christ was born in the fall of the year. Many have mistakenly believed He was born around the beginning of winter—December 25th! They are wrong! Notice theAdam Clarke Commentary, volume 5, page 370, New York edition: “It was custom among Jews to send out their sheep to the deserts about the Passover [early spring], and bring them home at the commencement of the first rain.” The first rains began in early-to-mid fall. Continuing with this same quote: “During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As…the first rain began early in the month of March-esvan, which answers to part of our October and November [begins sometime in October], we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, our Lord was not born on the 25th of December, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were still in the fields by night. On this very ground, the nativity in December should be given up. The feeding of the flocks by night in the fields is a chronological fact…See the quotations from the Talmudists in Lightfoot.” Luke 2:8explains that when Christ was born, “there were in the same country shepherdsabiding in the field, keeping watch over their flockby night.” Note that they were “abiding” in the field. This never happened in December. Both Ezra 10:9-13and the Song of Solomon 2:11show that winter was the rainy season and shepherds could not stay on cold, open fields at night. Numerous encyclopedias plainly state that Christ was not born on December 25th! TheCatholic Encyclopediadirectly confirms this. In all likelihood, Christ was born in the fall! A lengthy technical explanation would prove this point. Since we now know that December 25th was nowhere near Christ's actual birthdate, where did the festival associated with this date come from? Now read this quote under “Christmas”: “In the Roman world, the Saturnalia (December 17) was a time of merrymaking and exchanging of gifts. December 25 was also regarded as the birthdate of the Iranian mystery god Mithra, the Sun of Righteousness. On the Roman New Year (January 1), houses were decorated with greenery and lights, and gifts were given to children and the poor. To these observances were added the German and Celtic Yule rites when the Teutonic tribes penetrated into Gaul, Britain and central Europe. Food and good fellowship, the Yule log and Yule cakes, greenery and fir trees, gifts and greetings all commemorated different aspects of this festive season. Fires and lights, symbols of warmth and lasting life, have always been associated with the winter festival, both pagan and Christian” (Encyclopedia Britannica, 15th ed., vol. II, p. 903). A final quote about the selection of December 25th as the birthdate of Christ is necessary. Note an article inThe Toronto Star, December 1984, by Alan Edmonds, entitled, “We owe a lot to Druids, Dutch”: “The Reformation cast a blight on Christmas. By then, of course, clever ecclesiastical politicians had adopted the Pagan mid-winter festival as the alleged birthdate of Jesus, of Nazareth, and thrown in a few other Pagan goodies to make their takeover more palatable.” December 25th was not selected because it was the birth of Christ or because it was even near it. It was selected because it coincided with the idolatrous pagan festivalSaturnalia—and this celebration must be carefully examined. In any event, we donotknow the exact date of Christ's birth. While God certainly could have made it known, He chose to hide it from the world's eyes!
http://realtruth.org/articles/169-ttooc.html

0700Jesse:
Im sorry but Jehovah witnesses could be in error as to thinking that archangel michael is Jesus & other irreconcilable doctrinal errors, bt the fault is not with the members bt with their headquarters in prolly US that is feeding their minds with such errors.

No sir, u r d one in error JWs have sound scriptural bases for all their beliefs

anergy:
Nearly all aspects of Christmas observance have their roots in Roman custom and religion. Consider the following admission from a large American newspaper (The Buffalo News, Nov. 22, 1984): “The earliest reference to Christmas being marked on Dec. 25 comes from the second century after Jesus' birth. It is considered likely the first Christmas celebrations were in reaction to the Roman Saturnalia, a harvest festival that marked the winter solstice—the return of the sun—and honored Saturn, the god of sowing. Saturnalia was a rowdy time, much opposed by the more austere leaders among the still-minority Christian sect. Christmas developed, one scholar says, as a means of replacing worship of the sun with worship of the Son. By 529 A.D., after Christianity had become the official state religion of the Roman Empire, Emperor Justinian made Christmas a civic holiday. The celebration of Christmas reached its peak—some would say its worst moments—in the medieval period when it became a time for conspicuous consumption and unequaled revelry.” Consider these quotes from theCatholic Encyclopedia, 1911 edition, under “Christmas”: “Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church…the first evidence of the feast is from Egypt.” Further, “Pagan customs centering around the January calends gravitated to Christmas.” Under “Natal Day,” Origen, an early Catholic writer, admitted, “…In the Scriptures, no one is recorded to have kept a feast or held a great banquet on his birthday. It isonly sinners(like Pharaoh and Herod) who make great rejoicings over the day in which they were born into this world” (emphasis mine). TheEncyclopedia Americana, 1956 edition, adds, “Christmas…was not observed in the first centuries of the Christian church, since the Christian usage in general was to celebrate the death of remarkable persons rather than their birth…a feast was established in memory of this event [Christ's birth] in the fourth century. In the fifth century the Western Church ordered the feast to be celebrated forever on the day of the Mithraic rites of the birth of the sun and at the close of the Saturnalia, as no certain knowledge of the day of Christ's birth existed.” There is no mistaking the origin of the modern Christmas celebration. Many additional sources could be cited and we will return to this later. Let's begin to tie some other facts together. It was 300 years after Christ before the Roman church kept Christmas, and not until the fifth century that it was mandated to be kept throughout the empire as an official festival honoring “Christ.” Can Christ Be Honored by Christmas? The most common justification that one will hear regarding Christmas is that people have replaced old pagan customs and intents by asserting that they are now “focusing on Christ.” I have heard many say that they are “honoring Christ” in their Christmas-keeping. The problem is that Goddoes not say this is acceptable to Him! Actually, He plainly commands against it!Keeping ChristmasdishonorsChrist! He considers everything about it to be an abomination! We will soon see why. Christ said, “But invainthey doworshipMe, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” ( Matt. 15:9). Christmas is not a command of God—it is a tradition of men. Christ continued, “Full well yourejectthe commandment of God, that you may keep your owntradition” ( Mark 7:9). Every year, throughout the world, on December 25th, hundreds of millions do just that! We will see that God plainly commands, “Follow not the way of the heathen.” But most people do not fear God, and He allows them to make their own decisions. Human beings are free moral agents—free to obey or disobey God! But woe to those who ignore the plain Word of God! Was Christ Born on December 25th? Christ was born in the fall of the year. Many have mistakenly believed He was born around the beginning of winter—December 25th! They are wrong! Notice theAdam Clarke Commentary, volume 5, page 370, New York edition: “It was custom among Jews to send out their sheep to the deserts about the Passover [early spring], and bring them home at the commencement of the first rain.” The first rains began in early-to-mid fall. Continuing with this same quote: “During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As…the first rain began early in the month of March-esvan, which answers to part of our October and November [begins sometime in October], we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, our Lord was not born on the 25th of December, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were still in the fields by night. On this very ground, the nativity in December should be given up. The feeding of the flocks by night in the fields is a chronological fact…See the quotations from the Talmudists in Lightfoot.” Luke 2:8explains that when Christ was born, “there were in the same country shepherdsabiding in the field, keeping watch over their flockby night.” Note that they were “abiding” in the field. This never happened in December. Both Ezra 10:9-13and the Song of Solomon 2:11show that winter was the rainy season and shepherds could not stay on cold, open fields at night. Numerous encyclopedias plainly state that Christ was not born on December 25th! TheCatholic Encyclopediadirectly confirms this. In all likelihood, Christ was born in the fall! A lengthy technical explanation would prove this point. Since we now know that December 25th was nowhere near Christ's actual birthdate, where did the festival associated with this date come from? Now read this quote under “Christmas”: “In the Roman world, the Saturnalia (December 17) was a time of merrymaking and exchanging of gifts. December 25 was also regarded as the birthdate of the Iranian mystery god Mithra, the Sun of Righteousness. On the Roman New Year (January 1), houses were decorated with greenery and lights, and gifts were given to children and the poor. To these observances were added the German and Celtic Yule rites when the Teutonic tribes penetrated into Gaul, Britain and central Europe. Food and good fellowship, the Yule log and Yule cakes, greenery and fir trees, gifts and greetings all commemorated different aspects of this festive season. Fires and lights, symbols of warmth and lasting life, have always been associated with the winter festival, both pagan and Christian” (Encyclopedia Britannica, 15th ed., vol. II, p. 903). A final quote about the selection of December 25th as the birthdate of Christ is necessary. Note an article inThe Toronto Star, December 1984, by Alan Edmonds, entitled, “We owe a lot to Druids, Dutch”: “The Reformation cast a blight on Christmas. By then, of course, clever ecclesiastical politicians had adopted the Pagan mid-winter festival as the alleged birthdate of Jesus, of Nazareth, and thrown in a few other Pagan goodies to make their takeover more palatable.” December 25th was not selected because it was the birth of Christ or because it was even near it. It was selected because it coincided with the idolatrous pagan festivalSaturnalia—and this celebration must be carefully examined. In any event, we donotknow the exact date of Christ's birth. While God certainly could have made it known, He chose to hide it from the world's eyes!
http://realtruth.org/articles/169-ttooc.html

Do you know that virtually many of our modern day customs can be traced to pagan origin. E.g our calendar system.

http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/days-months-seasons.html

If we want to start stopping every modern tradition because of its pagan roots, we would be alienated from the world.

dicefrost:




No sir, u r d one in error JWs have sound scriptural bases for all their beliefs

Not all JW beliefs have scriptural basis.

dicefrost:




No sir, u r d one in error JWs have sound scriptural bases for all their beliefs

Ohh yeah, your beliefs are sound enough that it makes loud noises of errors!
Jesus can't be an angel,. Jesus is equal with God, so says phil3:5

0700Jesse:


Ohh yeah, your beliefs are sound enough that it makes loud noises of errors!
Jesus can't be an angel,. Jesus is equal with God, so says phil3:5

it's so obvious that you are the one in error

You don't even know what Philippians 3:5 you quoted says...

And there's no where in the Bible where it says Jesus is equal to God, Jesus himself said the Father (God) is greater than he is.

Grabs a bottle of Orijin and seat down for front seat... its time for the christians to argue how exactly they think and wish their god is!!

johnydon22:
Grabs a bottle of Orijin and seat down for front seat... its time for the christians to argue how exactly they think and wish their god is!!

Lemme join your table with my chilled bottle of Gulder and watch as the scene unfolds...

Shugaryme:


it's so obvious that you are the one in error

You don't even know what Philippians 3:5 you quoted says...

And there's no where in the Bible where it says Jesus is equal to God, Jesus himself said the Father (God) is greater than he is.

Im sorry bt phil says "let christ's mind be in you, then it goes on to say, who being the form of God, didnt see EQUALITY with God as sth that should be retained"
Im sorry for arguing in the first instance, i dont even reply people who are unchangingly wrong.

Shugaryme:


it's so obvious that you are the one in error

You don't even know what Philippians 3:5 you quoted says...

And there's no where in the Bible where it says Jesus is equal to God, Jesus himself said the Father (God) is greater than he is.

Im sorry but an excerpts from phil says "let the mind of christ be in you, who being the form of GOD, didnt see EQUALITY with God as sth that should be retained"
Im sorry for arguing in the first instance, i dont actually argue with people who are unchangingly wrong.

You are wrong, No you are wrong, No you are in error, No No No you are the one in error... And they have been at it since AD000... hehehehehehehehe
(still with my bottle of orijin shaa...watching front seat)

uboma:


Lemme join your table with my chilled bottle of Gulder and watch as the scene unfolds...

Their is always room for one more brother!!! cheers!!!

New

dicefrost:




No sir, u r d one in error JWs have sound scriptural bases for all their beliefs

That's why they have falsely prophesied the end of the world several times in the past. They also falsely prophesied that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would come back to earth around 1942...and bought a mansion and car for them.

And many more lies!

johnydon22:
Grabs a bottle of Orijin and seat down for front seat... its time for the christians to argue how exactly they think and wish their god is!!

Humans argue about everything...that EXISTS.