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Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by Nobody: 9:16pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
cocoduck:I tire o. 1 Like |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by Ubenedictus(m): 9:18pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
Kenneth205:if this is what your wisdom is worth i do not pray to be as wise as you. You make no point, u give no proof, u initiate no discussion and make no research, yet u dismiss my points and call me foolish. God please save me from the wisdom of a proud man. Amen 3 Likes |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by Nobody: 9:18pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
A birth certificate of Jesus will no doubt clarify the doubt. OP can you provide that ? 1 Like |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by sukkot: 9:20pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
[b]Jesus was not born on December 25th. Jesus is the spirit of God. Jesus is the word of God. not a human being. when it says Jesus is born, that means the spirit of God was resurrected again on earth. Christ consciousness . and this date like every other date is calculated celestially with numerology. we have the date of the feast of tabernacles, feast of yom kippur, Passover, feast of unleavened bread and feast of trumpets. they are all calculated with numerology. these are not exact dates but numerology-representation dates. for example when that Christ spirit returns to earth again then everyone will be in unity with God. unity is the number one . now there are only ten months in a year with God and that is march to December. January and February was recently added. so that makes December the tenth month and in numerology the number 0 is irrelevant so the month of December is one which means unity with God, so it is at this month that unity symbolically will be established meaning the rebirth of his spirit on earth. now the date 25, in numerology we bring numbers down to singles. 2 times 5 is ten. ten is one because like i said the number 0 is irrelevant. one is unity with God. and this is how the symbolic attachment of DEC 25 was associated with the rebirth of the Christ consciousness aka birth of Jesus. so the dates are symbolic representations / numerology[/b] rev 19 vs 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by okotv(m): 9:20pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
and you want me to believe this.... Biblical evidence or forget it |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by funkiebully: 9:21pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
Nice write up bro unbenedictus. U are really grounded in Catholic faith. Keep it up. 1 Like |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by chika94: 9:21pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
He was not really born on 25 but we chose 25 to be his birthday[i][/i][b][/b] |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by tempem: 9:22pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
Dec 25th isn't Christ birthday... The Bible didn't even ask us to celebrate, even if at all, the date is known. |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by funkiebully: 9:27pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
tempem: Did d Bible ask u to eat? |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by Ubenedictus(m): 9:28pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
Horus:this is false information, if u claim xmas was set in the 15th century then what will u do to the testimony of christians of the 4th, 5th centuries downward and those of the second century dat i referenced? Throw dem out of the window to defend the 15 century thesis lie? I already discussed d winter issue, isreal is no london dat has a severe winter. According to d rabbi sherpherd and sheep still make d jorney through bethlehem to jerusalem even in d winter (jerusalem's temple has a continous demand for sheep) 3 Likes |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by pafestula(m): 9:28pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
Another Shekeau on the loose, I wonder where you people came up with date and time when there was nothing like calendar let alone of December +25 as at then, for your information nothing like education to determine date and time then, cockcrow woke people up then, even as at 1800 nothing like time and calendar. I wont be surprise when you would claim that the white guy image used to represent Christ is the real Jesus Christ...though I didn't read your epistemology because the heading already makes no sense to me. |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by SeanT10: 9:32pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
As for me, I don't care when CHRIST was born. All I needed was SALVATION and CHRIST brought it. I don't need to know the date to receive the SALVATION. |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by LewsTherin: 9:35pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
Very illuminating write up OP. Excellent work. Your line of reasoning is extremely clear so all those who are debunking your opinion with no facts to support them are.....well, speaking from long held prejudice at best and plain ignorance and hatred at worse. I cannot validate most of your facts, so I will take your word for it. However, a quick check on google will show that the weather today in Bethlehem is 11 degrees Celsius. London or not, that's quite cold. Weather patterns haven't changed that much in 2000 years. So how do you factor this variable in your premise? 2 Likes |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by Nobody: 9:35pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
this new Generation churches just d bring confusion..... So if the early men bin no sabi d date of birth na these boys wei dem born yesterday wan come tell me? everybody wan write im name for history.....mek dem go die for our sins na 4 Likes |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by emmanuelanjili(m): 9:36pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
Thank God we have theologians in the house,but as far as I am concern christmas refers to the time when Christ was born and the exact date is immaterial since I know for sure He was born,was crucified and risen and right now is at the right hand of the Almighty,so I will keep celebrating it on Dec 25th wholeheartedly. 2 Likes |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by naijareferee: 9:36pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
whether 25th or not...the truth is that the essence is not in the date but the significance of the birth so...quit arguing about the date and know that christ is born in our hearts everyday....just that we are too busy to appreciate it. shalom 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by SalC: 9:37pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
I am yet to see anyone put up a sound post to counter the op so far, all I see is simply repetition of the usual chant of 25th is not Christ's birthday 1 Like |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by Ubenedictus(m): 9:38pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
I already ansad dis objection aim5: Reply to Objection 1: Saturnalia commemorated the winter solstice. Yet the winter solstice falls on December 22. It is true that Saturnalia celebrations began as early as December 17 and extended till December 23. Still, the dates don’t match up. Saturnalia is betwen 17 to 23 of december. Nobody celebrate saturnalia on d 25th |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by lebesgue(m): 9:40pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
malvisguy212: You were saying? |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by sistar007(m): 9:44pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
Give references, |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by Nobody: 9:45pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Saturnalia concluded on the 25th, it was also the day that they worshipped the sun god Sol Invictus. |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by seggzz(m): 9:47pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
I think in my own opinion Christ was not even born in the month of December |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by pafestula(m): 9:48pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
Equiano: Seconded. 1 Like |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by ijebu4u(m): 9:49pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
Were u there,and how did u know? |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by Godside: 9:49pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
The whole write-up its nothing but rubbish of the highest order . The bible says we shld talk where the bible talks and be silent where the bible is silent . Stop fooling ursf with man doctrine . Answer this Question Did you see or read the christmas from the bible ? Did Christ command any liar or anybody to use christmas to replace any pagan festival? Did christ say you shld create a name for him or do christmas for his remembrance ? The only thing christ say we shld do in his remembrance is the lordsupper . Read 1 Corinthians 11:24 ► and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." Read again , it say do this in my remembrance not Christmas or easter . Dnt follow my pastor say , read the bible yoursf . Repent b4 its to late .Peace 2 Likes |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by Nobody: 9:50pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
seggzz: Agreed. If he exists, he was either born in March or September. |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by Ubenedictus(m): 9:52pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
Dis objection has already been ansad Crocz:Reply to Objection 2: Let us examine first the cult of the Unconquered Sun. The Emperor Aurelian introduced the cult of the Sol Invictus or Unconquered Sun to Rome in A.D. 274. Aurelian found political traction with this cult, because his own name Aurelian derives from the Latin word aurora denoting “sunrise.” Coins reveal that Emperor Aurelian called himself the Pontifex Solis or Pontiff of the Sun. Thus, Aurelian simply accommodated a generic solar cult and identified his name with it at the end of the third century. Most importantly, there is no historical record for a celebration Natalis Sol Invictus on December 25 prior to A.D. 354. Within an illuminated manuscript for the year A.D. 354, there is an entry for December 25 reading “N INVICTI CM Bleep.” Here N means “nativity.” INVICTI means “of the Unconquered.” CM signifies “circenses missus” or “games ordered.” The Roman numeral Bleep equals thirty. Thus, the inscription means that thirty games were order for the nativity of the Unconquered for December 25th. Note that the word “sun” is not present. Moreover, the very same codex also lists “natus Christus in Betleem Iudeae” for the day of December 25. The phrase is translated as “birth of Christ in Bethlehem of Judea.” The date of December 25th only became the “Birthday of the Unconquered Sun” under the Emperor Julian the Apostate. Julian the Apostate had been a Christian but who had apostatized and returned to Roman paganism. History reveals that it was the hateful former Christian Emperor that erected a pagan holiday on December 25. Think about that for a moment. What was he trying to replace? These historical facts reveal that the Unconquered Sun was not likely a popular deity in the Roman Empire. The Roman people did not need to be weaned off of a so-called ancient holiday. Moreover, the tradition of a December 25th celebration does not find a place on the Roman calendar until after the Christianization of Rome. The “Birthday of the Unconquered Sun” holiday was scarcely traditional and hardly popular. Saturnalia (mentioned above) was much more popular, traditional, and fun. It seems, rather, that Julian the Apostate had attempted to introduce a pagan holiday in order to replace the Christian one! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by joseph1832(m): 9:53pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
I'll want the OP to kindly tell me where its stated in the Bible that Jesus was born on December 25th. Give me a Bible verse, old or new testament not just conduct research without any empirical evidence. Besides, as a man, I really care not when Jesus was born, all I care is Jesus 'is' a man I have tremendous respect for!. I care not about the day Jesus was born, what I care for are the principles he entrenched in our hearts that spawn thousands of years. |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by DancingSkeleton(m): 9:55pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
ogawisdom:where d he state it in d bible unlike easter celebration which he instructed that should be celebrated in memory of him .... Guy park well |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by Godside: 9:57pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
funkiebully: chia... Its beta you read your bible nd stop doing our pastor say or follow-follow Read : Genesis 1:29ESV / 204 helpful votes And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. |
Re: Yes, Christ Was Really Born On December 25 by Ubenedictus(m): 9:59pm On Dec 26, 2014 |
This is not true, all ancient sources record dat saturnalia ended latest on d 23. I dont usually quote wikipedia bt it says as much. aim5:Saturnalia was an ancient Roman festival in honor of the deity Saturn, held on the 17th of December of the Julian calendar and later expanded with festivities through to the 23rd of December. |
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