Seleka cried like babies.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2013/03/31/we-were-killing-kids-1


http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/SA-soldiers-shot-children-20130331

mzilakazi:
Seleka cried like babies.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2013/03/31/we-were-killing-kids-1


http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/SA-soldiers-shot-children-20130331

This man does not look like a crying baby o !

Dis Seleka man na champion !
.

agaugust:

Not in a war zone, pirates murdered 3 soldiers in cold blood and took of in their boat, a mere speed boat that even civilians have.
BH has his own tanks, we crushed them all.
Now tell SANDF to go to Bangui and crush one single Seleka Toyota Hilux if you dare, nation of Bantu genetic COWARDS !
.

LOL "A mere speedboat that even civilians have". But the Toyota Hiluxes that are the mainstay of your boys are also something that even civilians have.

It's not about the value or scarcity of the equipment, it's about the act of your boys being stripped of their equipment on the regular.

agaugust:


This man does not look like a crying baby o !

Dis Seleka man na champion !
.

Of course he does not look like a crying baby, sitting there looooong after the battle of Bangui. It's what happened DURING the battle that's up for discussion. Seleka cried like babies and waved the white flag. On the Nigerian side, how many times have your boys run from BH? People have stopped counting and BH holds the most prized possession anyone could hope for in battle - territory.

agaugust:


South Africa's debt is still $40 billion huge dollars
.

And what is the US's for perspective? South Africa is a long way from defaulting, so there's nothing wrong with debt - good debt. But there is everything wrong with bad debt - like borrowing money to fight an insurgency à la Nigeria, which ranks two grades below investment grade.

But we don't want to make you cry so let's get to the main point, which is that it is not South Africa that imports like mad and that has depleted foreign reserves today. It is Nigeria.

EVarn:
nigeria is an emerging economy
nissan SA isnt an indigenous company{it isnt south african},the nissan brand still remain japanese,nissan has it unofficial africa headquater in SA,so all activities would have to follow a direct chain of command coordinated from japan through their SA base.nissan nigeria is still new and therefore is supervised by nissan SA for conveniency sake,until such a time that their nigerian counterpart will be strong enough to stand alone.you enjoy claiming that SA set up nigeria's automobile industry,but non of these companies is south african
you have 4 refineries

SA has a bigger industry

Nigeria is a frontier market. Even you confirmed it in your confused way in earlier posts. But then again >>>> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/getting-into-west-africas-frontier-market-2013-12-20

Frontier, sir. That's what you are.

Nigeria is still new and is being supervised. Exactly!

Headquarters in SA - Exactly!

Through SA base - Exactly!

And the industry is not just about companies, it's also about systems and such.

On refining the FACT OF THE MATTER is that South Africa has more refining capacity than Nigeria. End of story.

SA has bigger industry? Exactly.

And put all this together and say it with me - "Accordingly Nigeria is not yet fit to sit at the table of emerging markets".

MikeCZAR:
Pirates have your vessel.

BH has your APCs and tanks.

Most importantly, BH has their girls.

BH has their people.

BH has their land.

What could be more prized in a war?

DieVluit:
Nigeria is a frontier market.But then again>>>> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/getting-into-west-africas-frontier-market-2013-12-20
Frontier,sir.That's what you are.Nigeria is still new and is being supervised.Exactly!
Headquarters in SA-Exactly!
Through SA base-Exactly!
On refining the FACT OF THE MATTER is that South Africa has more refining capacity than Nigeria.End of story.SA has bigger industry?Exactly.And put all this together and say it with me-"Accordingly Nigeria is not yet fit to sit at the table of emerging markets".

nigeria is not just a frontier market,it has grown to become an emerging market due to the recent rise of the automobile,agriculture,textile and petrochemical industry.
the fact that nissan SA is supervising other nissan sub-groups in africa doesnt mean that SA is supervising us,it only highlights that their SA branch is the most strategic.despite your vaunted industry;SA's productivity is low and a large chunk of your labour market is idle.

agaugust:


This man does not look like a crying baby o !

Dis Seleka man na champion !
.

How will he cry when his tormenters are gone. By the way he looks like one of those cowards who were sending children upfront and remain behind the enemy line.

mzilakazi:
Seleka cried like babies.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2013/03/31/we-were-killing-kids-1


http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/SA-soldiers-shot-children-20130331

fact still remains that you waved the white pant.

EVarn:
fact still remains that you waved the white pant.

Seleka waved the white flag, not the SANDF.

EVarn:
nigeria is not just a frontier market,it has grown to become an emerging market due to the recent rise of the automobile,agriculture,textile and petrochemical industry.
the fact that nissan SA is supervising other nissan sub-groups in africa doesnt mean that SA is supervising us,it only highlights that their SA branch is the most strategic.despite your vaunted industry;SA's productivity is low and a large chunk of your labour market is idle.

You cannot be a frontier market and something else at the same time. Nigeria is frontier. Growth is not development. And if South Africa refines more than you do and if South Africa exports more cars than you do, then your own productivity is pathetic then.

I quote:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/getting-into-west-africas-frontier-market-2013-12-20

"The main challenges the country faces is building refinery capacity, diversifying trade volume beyond oil and building infrastructure."


And you cannot be supervised by South Africa if you know what you are doing. In your earlier post, you voluntarily CONFIRMED that you are being supervised by South Africa. That alone says it all.

Please bra, don't make me laugh.

More strategic? Exactly!

DieVluit:

Seleka waved the white flag, not the SANDF.

eye witnesses of the battle claimed that over 50 SANDF troops were killed in bangui and many were wounded,even the french confirmed it.when iminent defeat loomed over the old frightened cockroaches called SANDF,they immediately started pulling down their pants in the hopes of bargaining for a default cease-fire.when the chance was presented,your troops ran out of CAR abaddoning all your logistics.

EVarn:
eye witnesses of the battle claimed that over 50 SANDF troops were killed in bangui and many were wounded,even the french confirmed it.when iminent defeat loomed over the old frightened cockroaches called SANDF,they immediately started pulling down their pants in the hopes of bargaining for a default cease-fire.when the chance was presented,your troops ran out of CAR abaddoning all your logistics.

What could be more "eye witness" than the rebels themselves?

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/04/03/sa-soldiers-carved-us-up-say-rebels

South Africa carved us up, they said.

DieVluit:
You cannot be a frontier market and something else at the same time.Nigeria is frontier.Growth is not development.And if South Africa refines more than you do and if South Africa exports more cars than you do,then your own productivity is pathetic then.I quote:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/getting-into-west-africas-frontier-market-2013-12-20
And you cannot be supervised by South Africa if you know what you are doing.In your earlier post,you voluntarily CONFIRMED that you are being supervised by South Africa.That alone says it all.Please bra,don't make me laugh.More strategic?Exactly!

you are misguided,i tell you.nigeria is an emerging market because:
*it has a stock market
*it has primary facilities for local industries
*it has both consumer and service{producer} based industry etc
SA does not supervise us.what i said was that nissan SA supervises all other nissan sub~companies in africa,is nissan now a country?.our productivity still beats yours by far

EVarn:
you are misguided,i tell you.nigeria is an emerging market because:
*it has a stock market
*it has primary facilities for local industries
*it has both consumer and service{producer} based industry etc
SA does not supervise us.what i said was that nissan SA supervises all other nissan sub~companies in africa,is nissan now a country?.our productivity still beats yours by far

Then the WHOLE investor world is "misguided" because Nigeria remains a frontier market.

>>> http://www.thinkadvisor.com/2014/09/11/finra-warns-about-investing-in-nigeria-lebanon-oth

What on earth is a primary facility? Even you don't know.

All markets have consumers and producers so that's irrelevant.

It has a stock market? That's irrelevant too, except that your stock market could be fitted a couple of times over into South Africa's by value.

You CONFIRMED without any prompting that Nissan SA supervises Nissan Nigeria. And you were right.

SA exports more cars. SA refines more crude volumes. That's undeniable. And your own words were "SA has a bigger industry". That means more productivity, my friend. And you confirmed it.

DieVluit:

What could be more "eye witness" than the rebels themselves?
http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/04/03/sa-soldiers-carved-us-up-say-rebels
South Africa carved us up, they said.

yet it didnt prevent bozize from fleeing and seleka from taking over the government.eye witnesses{rebels included} confirmed the defeat of over 50 SANDF soldiers,even one rebel claimed that "heavy casualties were sustained on both sides"..interestingly,the article also highlights how SANDF troops remained under "french protection" after they lost the battle.

EVarn:
yet it didnt prevent bozize from fleeing and seleka from taking over the government.eye witnesses{rebels included} confirmed the defeat of over 50 SANDF soldiers,even one rebel claimed that "heavy casualties were sustained on both sides"..interestingly,the article also highlights how SANDF troops remained under "french protection" after they lost the battle.

That's a green lie. We defeated Seleka in their own turf by suffering more casualties than we.

EVarn:
yet it didnt prevent bozize from fleeing and seleka from taking over the government.eye witnesses{rebels included} confirmed the defeat of over 50 SANDF soldiers,even one rebel claimed that "heavy casualties were sustained on both sides"..interestingly,the article also highlights how SANDF troops remained under "french protection" after they lost the battle.

Stopping Bozize from fleeing was never the mission, so that is irrelevant. However, stopping BH is Nigeria's one and only mission.

Once again >>> http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/04/03/sa-soldiers-carved-us-up-say-rebels

And do point out the bodies of the 50 whenever you are ready.

To your soldiers, picture related...

DieVluit:
Then the WHOLE investor world is "misguided" because Nigeria remains a frontier market.>>> http://www.thinkadvisor.com/2014/09/11/finra-warns-about-investing-in-nigeria-lebanon-oth
What on earth is a primary facility? Even you don't know.All markets have consumers and producers so that's irrelevant.It has a stock market?That's irrelevant too,except that your stock market could be fitted a couple of times over into South Africa's by value.You CONFIRMED without any prompting that Nissan SA supervises Nissan Nigeria.And you were right.SA exports more cars.SA refines more crude volumes.That's undeniable.And your own words were "SA has a bigger industry".That means more productivity,my friend.And you confirmed it.

SA has low productivity,mark my words,your labour market is idle and your economy is stagnant..
not every economy has both consumer and producer based industry,also,only an emerging market can sustain a stock market.a bigger industry does not reflect productivity.

mzilakazi:


That's a green lie. We defeated Seleka in their own turf by suffering more casualties than we.

call it a blue lie if you want.the fact remains unchanged;seleka violently kicked you out of CAR.

EVarn:
SA has low productivity,mark my words,your labour market is idle and your economy is stagnant..
not every economy has both consumer and producer based industry,also,only an emerging market can sustain a stock market.a bigger industry does not reflect productivity.

I did mark your words and you said the following:

1. Nissan SA supervises Nissan Nigeria.

2. Nissan Nigeria is "still new" and is not ready to stand on its own.

3. You could not deny that South Africa has more refining capacity than Nigeria.

4. You could not deny South Africa's involvement in the establishment of your auto industry.

5. You could not deny that South Africa exports more cars.

6. " South Africa has a bigger industry".


These were your words and performance today, alright.

Now put it all together and say: "South Africa is an emerging market and Nigeria is a frontier market".

You'll be all the better for it. You've already put together all the required pieces anyway.

And no, it is not South Africa that has had to devalue the Rand, but it is Nigeria that has had to devalue the Naira at this time.


And DO TELL US how many stock markets are in Africa, in which case all these African countries are then not frontier? Nothing could be more ridiculous.

While you are at it, NAME the economy that does not have producers and consumers.

Or better yet, TELL US, how a big industry does not reflect productivity.

EVarn:
call it a blue lie if you want.the fact remains unchanged;seleka violently kicked you out of CAR.

They did not kick us out if they failed to overrun the base. You do know that you can't prove and no one had argued that seleka overran the base, right?

So to use you own words, call it a "fact if you want", but it does not change the fact that seleka waved the white flag and failed to overrun the base.

DieVluit:
Stopping Bozize from fleeing was never the mission, so that is irrelevant. However, stopping BH is Nigeria's one and only mission.Once again >>> http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/04/03/sa-soldiers-carved-us-up-say-rebels
And do point out the bodies of the 50 whenever you are ready.To your soldiers, picture related...

boko haram is a sophisticated,well-armed and well-trained islamic terror group.they not only recruit from nigeria,but from neighbouring cameroon,chad,and niger,they also employ tuareg fighters from mali and libya in their violent campaigns,they have a large network and are well funded,it was even recently reported that there is an awakening movement for boko haram in ghana.so stopping boko haram isnt a dancing matter.on the other hand,seleka rebels are 70% kwashiokor-ridden child soldiers,with neither training nor battle experience,yet they managed to take over government under your watch,and even slaughter your soldiers in predictable ambushes.

EVarn:
call it a blue lie if you want.the fact remains unchanged;seleka violently kicked you out of CAR.

Seleka never kicked us out of CAR, our parliament did.

EVarn:
boko haram is a sophisticated,well-armed and well-trained islamic terror group.they not only recruit from nigeria,but from neighbouring cameroon,chad,and niger,they also employ tuareg fighters from mali and libya in their violent campaigns,they have a large network and are well funded,it was even recently reported that is an awakening movement for boko haram in ghana.so stopping boko haram isnt a dancing matter.on the other hand,seleka rebels are 70% kwashiokor-ridden child soldiers,with neither training nor battle experience,yet they managed to take over government under your watch,and even slaughter your soldiers in predictable ambushes.

Augugust argued today that Boko Haram has no MRAPS or such. So, tell us, are they sophisticated or not?

Actually, it is not that Boko Haram is not sophisticated, but it is that the Nigerian military is equally unsophisticated. All these things that you listed, if you aren't equal to the task, would then mean that BH is more sophisticated than your military.

Your military should also be well funded or better. Your diplomacy should give you influence with your neighbours.

But none of these things are possible because you are ragtag. So you give the world excuses.

It's ragtag vs ragtag at this point.

SANDF had no interest in who took over government because that was not the mission. You do know what "mission" means, don't you?

DieVluit:
I did mark your words and you said the following:
1.Nissan SA supervises Nissan Nigeria.
2.Nissan Nigeria is "still new" and is not ready to stand on its own.
3.You could not deny that South Africa has more refining capacity than Nigeria.
4.You could not deny South Africa's involvement in the establishment of your auto industry.
5.You could not deny that South Africa exports more cars.
6."South Africa has a bigger industry".
These were your words and performance today, alright.
Now put it all together and say: "South Africa is an emerging market and Nigeria is a frontier market".
You'll be all the better for it. You've already put together all the required pieces anyway.
And no, it is not South Africa that has had to devalue the Rand, but it is Nigeria that has had to devalue the Naira at this time.
And DO TELL US how many stock markets are in Africa,in which case all these African countries are then not frontier?

do not put words in my mouth.all my facts still stand.

EVarn:
boko haram is a sophisticated,well-armed and well-trained islamic terror group.they not only recruit from nigeria,but from neighbouring cameroon,chad,and niger,they also employ tuareg fighters from mali and libya in their violent campaigns,they have a large network and are well funded,it was even recently reported that there is an awakening movement for boko haram in ghana.so stopping boko haram isnt a dancing matter.on the other hand,seleka rebels are 70% kwashiokor-ridden child soldiers,with neither training nor battle experience,yet they managed to take over government under your watch,and even slaughter your soldiers in predictable ambushes.

SANDF assignment was not to stop coup d'etat or enforce peace and security, the French were. The French failed on their responsibility to stop Seleka from toppling the government and their only excuse was that the President commanded them that they should never stop the coup d'etat.

EVarn:
do not put words in my mouth.all my facts still stand.

Feel free to point out "the errors". Thank you.

Things don't stand just because you say so. They stand because you've argued it to be so.

mzilakazi:

Seleka never kicked us out of CAR, our parliament did.

in order to spear you more humiliating defeats

South Africa and South Africans!



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http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/sa-man-at-centre-of-cia-sting-1.1799240

EVarn:
in order to spear you more humiliating defeats

Assuming you are even partially right, then the decision had nothing to do with the military. It was politics. Thanks for accepting the simple fact that it was parliament. That's more than we could have asked for from you today.