MerhawiZG:


brother i know many somali tribe like hawiya isa isaak ogaden

darod jeberti from somalia and jeberti from eritrea are same people

Who taught you?

I don't think they are the same bro. They only share the same name and from what I've heard Jabarta was a place in old Zeila region where the early Muslims in East Africa controlled. So everyone who became Muslim was named Jeberti.

ArtanK:


Who taught you?

I don't think they are the same bro. They only share the same name and from what I've heard Jabarta was a place in old Zeila region where the early Muslims in East Africa controlled. So everyone who became Muslim was named Jeberti.

i have many somali friends and my father was a freedom fighter and he lived in mogadishu for 5 years
somalia helped my father and many eritrean fighters with the education weapon and somali passport for travel

brother no somali jeberti and eritrean jeberti are same

do you speak arabic? watch this video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYlAWNz7IAY

in eritrea we have many ogaden fighters and when they tell people they are jeberti everybody welcome them with open hands

MerhawiZG:


i have many somali friends and my father was a freedom fighter and he lived in mogadishu for 5 years
somalia helped my father and many eritrean fighters with the education weapon and somali passport for travel

brother no somali jeberti and eritrean jeberti are same

do you speak arabic? watch this video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYlAWNz7IAY

5 years wow! Does your dad speak Somali?

I have watched this video before. I really don't know what to think. It's a bit farfetched for me, I mean someone would have said something by now. I don't think any of them have spoken about this. The only non Somalis claiming to be related to Darod are Mehri people from Yemen and Socotra island.

ArtanK:


5 years wow! Does your dad speak Somali?

I have watched this video before. I really don't know what to think. It's a bit farfetched for me, I mean someone would have said something by now. I don't think any of them have spoken about this. The only non Somalis claiming to be related to Darod are Mehri people from Yemen and Socotra island.

yes my father speak a little bit somali now but before he said he speak it like a somali person haha

mehri and darod are jeberti and they are related to eritrean jeberti

MerhawiZG:


yes my father speak a little bit somali now but before he said he speak it like a somali person haha

mehri and darod are jeberti and they are related to eritrean jeberti

I see. Well nice to meet you Merhawi

I'll have to look into that further now lol.

ArtanK:


I see. Well nice to meet you Merhawi

I'll have to look into that further now lol.

ok my brother nice to meet you too

North East African are a mix of West Asians (Berber, Levant, Arab) and Sub Saharan Africans.

vdGeist:
North East African are a mix of West Asians (Berber, Levant, Arab) and Sub Saharan Africans.

Not true.

ArtanK:


Not true.

Very true.

Here are bar plots from a scientific study showing the ancestry of the different north east African groups.

red = SSA
blue = West Asia

vdGeist:


Very true.

Here are bar plots from a scientific study showing the ancestry of the different north east African groups.

red = SSA
blue = West Asia

1. Where did you get this bar chart from? It looks like something I could make in 5 minutes.
2. There is no such thing as a Sub Saharan DNA.
3. The Eurasian percentage in Somali DNA is much lower; no more than 10%.

loveafrica:


I did not know Eritrea was a country

Eritrea is a country that used to be a part of Ethiopian, we are no longer the same country but we share the same roots. And don't believe this whole thing about Ethiopians/Eritreans looking down on 'black'. I don't know if Eritreans look down on 'black' and I don't see why they would. I am an Ethiopian born and raised there, it is impossible to speak for every last person, but for the most part, although we generally look different, even from each other, we love and respect all black people, who we identify with. We love our country more but we also love ALL RACES. We take pride in who we are (A DIVERS BUT UNITE BLACK NATION) because we haven't been poisoned with the racist, segregating and boxed mentality of the western world.

ArtanK:


1. Where did you get this bar chart from? It looks like something I could make in 5 minutes.
2. There is no such thing as a Sub Saharan DNA.
3. The Eurasian percentage in Somali DNA is much lower; no more than 10%.

Before we continue, can you show me where you got the 10% from.

MerhawiZG:


typical ethiopian pulling facts out of his azzz HAHA my somali brother ArtanK gave you a good lesson

don't talk shit about somalia or eritrea ok you have no business there stick to gojam!

Every assumption you just made here is wrong, except the Ethiopian part. I wasn't trying to talk "shit" about Somalia and I didn't even mention Eritrea. You should read the facts I talked about and understand what I WAS saying before you go jumping to conclusions.

vdGeist:


Before we continue, can you show me where you got the 10% from.

Have a good time reading this.

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v13/n7/full/5201390a.html

ArtanK:


Have a good time reading this.

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v13/n7/full/5201390a.html

That's a paper about Y-chromosome haplogroups
what does that have to do with admixture?

vdGeist:


That's a paper about Y-chromosome haplogroups
what does that have to do with admixture?

Instead of completely avoiding my question, tell me where you got that bar chart from?

"In Somali males, 14 haplogroups were identified. The frequency of the clade E3b was 81.1%, including 77.6% of the haplogroup E3b1 defined by the M78 mutation. The Eurasian haplogroup K2 was found in 10.4%, and 3.0% of the Somali Y chromosomes belonged to the major clade J. Only 3.0% of the Somalis had the sub-Saharan African haplogroups A3, B and E3a*(xE3a4). Less than 2.0% of the Somalis belonged to the Northwest African E3b2 lineage".

ArtanK:


Instead of completely avoiding my question, tell me where you got that bar chart from?

"In Somali males, 14 haplogroups were identified. The frequency of the clade E3b was 81.1%, including 77.6% of the haplogroup E3b1 defined by the M78 mutation. The Eurasian haplogroup K2 was found in 10.4%, and 3.0% of the Somali Y chromosomes belonged to the major clade J. Only 3.0% of the Somalis had the sub-Saharan African haplogroups A3, B and E3a*(xE3a4). Less than 2.0% of the Somalis belonged to the Northwest African E3b2 lineage".

I don't think you understand what you quoted, that don't show the amount of Eurasian admixture in the Somali population, but the frequency of haplogroups whose origin is still unknown.

here's a recent paper on ancient Eurasian admixture in horn of Africa. It links to the paper.

www.forwhattheywereweare..com/2014/06/ancient-inter-continental-admixture-in.html?m=1

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/06/a-genomic-sketch-of-the-horn-of-africa/

Your bar chart is based on the DNA results of only 5 people. Hardly reliable source.

sgzewdie:


Every assumption you just made here is wrong, except the Ethiopian part. I wasn't trying to talk "shit" about Somalia and I didn't even mention Eritrea. You should read the facts I talked about and understand what I WAS saying before you go jumping to conclusions.

you were talking shit about somalia when you said they are half slave and half arab people and you drag eritrea with you but we are not the same

vdGeist:
North East African are a mix of West Asians (Berber, Levant, Arab) and Sub Saharan Africans.

berber people are same as beja somali saho oromo afar people how can you be mix of yourself HAHA very stupid

ArtanK:
Your bar chart is based on the DNA results of only 5 people. Hardly reliable source.

The other north east africans with larger samples show similar results.

vdGeist:


The other north east africans with larger samples show similar results.

Like?

bump

TerryCarr:
bump

in the head.

MerhawiZG:


brother i know many somali tribe like hawiya isa isaak ogaden

darod jeberti from somalia and jeberti from eritrea are same people

Bro, Im sorry man but they are not the same people.

Nevertheless I respect you guys as other eritreans have nothing but good to say about eritrean jeberti.

sgzewdie:
I understand and respect the fact that Somalians identify themselves as a Somali and Eritreans identify as Eritreans as I identify as an Ethiopian (habesha). But I don't see what any one from any of this groups have against being BLACK. I see it more like a specification.

Example- I am black, more specifically I am an African, more specifically I am an Ethiopian and I can even mention my specific tribe to people who know of it. But just because I am of a certain tribe, it doesn't mean I'm not an Ethiopian and not an African and not black.

AAs use no other term than BLACK to identify themselves, because unlike us they don't know what country they are from and that is not their fault but the fault of the ones who enslaved them. I don't see why people hate on others who were brutally taken advantage of and praise or take the side of those that hurt them.

Also, it is funny when Somalians PROUDLY say that they have Arab in them, as if it is an achievement. it is like an African American who was mixed in with the white people who enslaved his or her people and still see him or her as nothing more than their demented view of "black" going on proudly ranting about having a white blood in them.

To Somalians-
You people DO know that the reason you are mixed in with Arabs is because they participated in the slavery of your people right?
And that no Arab would say that you are them because you look different from them, so it is not an achievement that you were mixed in with Arabs.

So . . . to everyone who is black but doesn't what to claim it because you look different, pick and chose your sides very carefully. Would you rather be a part of
1. The good people who were taken advantage of because of their kinds (Somalians, Eritreans, most other Africans and African Americans), who see you as their brother/sister the second they lay eyes on you.
or
2. The evil and deceptive ones who took advantage of them (most Caucasian countries) that look at you lowly, because no matter how "different" you may look from other black people, to them you are the same thing as the degraded view they have of any black person.

YOUR MISTAKES:

1. Black was a term used to label Africans by Europeans, thats why we dont consider ourselves black.
2. I dont know which somalis you've met
3. Isn't that what the amhara and tigrinya also do, they never shut up about having semitic roots
4. Wrong, the Arabs did not enslave us and if you click on this you'll know why somalis were never enslaved http://historum.com/middle-eastern-african-history/58529-worlds-most-badass-country.html
5. We (Somalis, Eritreans) can include ourselves among the people but Ethiopians can take themselves out of tht list. You can see us as your brothers but we wont see you as ours. Remeber Ahmed Gurey, it will do you some good
6. The Ethiopians, Emperor (fagggit) Menelik etc, decided to be Britians prostittute and the Ogaden paid the price for that.

Remember Ahmed Ibn Ibrahim Al-Ghazi and shut up.

Maakhir:


YOUR MISTAKES:

1. Black was a term used to label Africans by Europeans, thats why we dont consider ourselves black.
2. I dont know which somalis you've met
3. Isn't that what the amhara and tigrinya also do, they never shut up about having semitic roots
4. Wrong, the Arabs did not enslave us and if you click on this you'll know why somalis were never enslaved http://historum.com/middle-eastern-african-history/58529-worlds-most-badass-country.html
5. We (Somalis, Eritreans) can include ourselves among the people but Ethiopians can take themselves out of tht list. You can see us as your brothers but we wont see you as ours. Remeber Ahmed Gurey, it will do you some good
6. The Ethiopians, Emperor (fagggit) Menelik etc, decided to be Britians prostittute and the Ogaden paid the price for that.

Remember Ahmed Ibn Ibrahim Al-Ghazi and shut up.

you guys sure take pride in enslaving & murdering bantus & Ethiopians. it's like if Germans take pride in their "badassery"
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Flag_map_of_Germany_%281943%29.svg[/img]

TerryCarr:

you guys sure take pride in enslaving & murdering bantus & Ethiopians. it's like if Germans take pride in their "badassery"
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Flag_map_of_Germany_%281943%29.svg[/img]

Bantus not really human.

TerryCarr:

you guys sure take pride in enslaving & murdering bantus & Ethiopians. it's like if Germans take pride in their "badassery"
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Flag_map_of_Germany_%281943%29.svg[/img]

I never said I took pride in enslaving anyone. I just was making a point for the habasha dude to shut up.

heres a beautiful photo of a Nigroid or Bantu ethnic of South Africa with her Natural Afro

they also have really good shaped bodies, I once read somewhere that the Bantus from South africa are actually a hybrids ethnic, of Early khoisan mixed with the Subsaharan Blacks. thats where they got their famously larger buttocks and lighter skin phygmentation from. if you take a closer look at nelson Mandela even thought his from a Xhosa tribe he still posseses allota Khoisan physical features