trillville:


Your views are correct. The issue is who should start the change process. The leadership or the citizens?

An interesting and debatable point. My initial thoughts are the citizenship as they ultimately put the Leadership into place and give them (rightly or wrongly) their mandate.

At least that is the theory. When people vote along tribal/religious/sectarian lines rather than on the issues at stake the above may not apply.

Ngwakwe:


This your logic pertaining to this very topic is inconsistent with reality and an attempt to stick with your earlier unjustifiable comment.

The greatest enemy of Muslim Brotherhood in the world is Saudi Arabia hence, they pressured the US to play along in ousting of Mohammed Morsi and the eventual proscription of the group.

Muslim Brotherhood is more of a threat to Saudi Arabia than ISIL

The dude is quite stupid. I already knew he was stupid, I just didn't realize it was this serious

wirinet:
This obviously has the imprints of the US. The US does does not trust president Jonathan with arms, especially with elections coming up in less than 7 weeks. They believe the arms might end up with Boko Haram or with Niger Delta militants and fuel post election violent, whoever wins. Remember Jonathan has a standing army of over 26,000 Ijaw militants being paid by Nigeria ( in the name of amnesty program, as amnesty as been redefined to mean free money), Tompolo has been acquiring arms like he is preparing to invade another country. If sophisticated weapons gets into their hands, it will spell doom not only for Nigeria but the sub region.

The government is behaving as if Boko Haram started today, and arms must be hurriedly acquired today. Elections are a few weeks ahead. I doubt the Boko Haram wars can be effectively prosecuted during the campaign period. The government should concentrate on providing security for the elections for now and then face boko haram with full force if it gains reelection.

I am sure the US will deal with Nigeria better after the elections and the government is able to address the concerns of the Americans. I have always said it that confronting the US is foolish, countries like Israel and Saudi Arabia that tow along with US interests are not stupid.

What a dumb analysis, so boko haram can continue killings people till after the elections. You were among those criticising the president for supposedly under arming the army

cjrane:
[size=15pt]I completely believe this story is untrue and designed to leak Nigeria's source of arms procurement for it's military.

However, "If" Saudis refuse access over their airspace, they can always break the trip.

Fly from Pakistan to Dubai.
Then from Dubai, fly over the Indian ocean to avoid Saudi Arabia and then land at Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.
Then from Addis Ababa to Abuja, Nigeria.

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Then quietly deny Saudi Arabian airlines landing rights in Nigeria.


.Don't say i told you so...

[size=14pt]EXACTLY!!
I just looked up the flight path and it's not even hard at all.

Simply break the trip and avoid Saudi airspace.

But, Saudi Arabia airlines must stop using Nigeria's airspace and facilities too.[/size]

WhiteTechnology:



If Northern and Western elites who ruled Nigeria had involved our higher institutions in weapons development ( Design , Fabrication and Testing ) as DICON mass produces, we won't be receiving these insults.


Question guys like you should ask is

What effort did Buhari make in encouraging our higher institutions in weapons development when he was military head of state.

What effort did OBJ make in seeing that Nigeria through the help of her higher institutions developed weapons that are exportable.

Good question. What did the past military rulers do in developing the capacity of the armed forces - their primary constituency. Less than nothing. It is a 'bloody civilian' in Goodluck Jonathan who cannot differentiate between 5.56 and 7.62mm ammo that should do it quick, quick, now, now.

Nigeria is the only country I can think of right now that has gone through a civil war with absolutely nothing to show for it. No benefit at all. Other countries shaken by war have come out with just laws, stronger economies, united peoples, mighty militaries, industrial revolutions.

For our information Biafra had a burgeoning military industrial complex birthed on the altar of what Nigeria faces today: arms procurement challenges and blockades. Indigenous technologies were successfully developed and applied but after the war what happened. The vengeful Nigerian state destroyed everything: prototypes, blueprints and the brains behind them and sent us back to the military stone-age.

The US and the Soviet Union on the other hand poached the brains of many German/Nazi scientists in many fields not least in atomic warfare and in the space race.

We had the chance and we blew it. It will take another war, calamity of monumental proportions in Nigeria for us to reboot our memory, elevate our thinking and move forward. No Nigerian who fought against Biafra has a genuine reason to blame just one government for the opportunities wasted over the past 40 years. You made the system. Live with it.

[size=15pt]The flight can actually fly non-stop from Karachi International Airport, Pakistan to Addis Ababa,Ethiopia for 5 hours.
Then link up from Addis Ababa directly to Abuja, Nigeria within 4-5 hours of flight.

So, they really don't need to use the Saudi airspace at all.
Saudi Arabian Airline should also avoid our airspace and airports.[/size]

Mynd44:

Errr....

Why is Buhari being mentioned here? I dont understand you people.

How come you did not ask what IBB who annulled an election (who our president went to go say hello to) did about it? Game of interest huh?

Keep playing and expect anyone tl take us serious

No one is blaming Buhari for the state of the Nigerian military industrial complex but he was a major (if I'm not mistaken), an influential rank then (during the civil war). Having witnessed the victory of Nigeria what did they do to consolidate the gains of indigenous armament technology whether from their compatriots or their foes. Nothing. So what do you expect today. Nothing. They didn't sow, they didn't sacrifice. They cannot reap today.

This is a sign that we have a mediocre government.

Reference:


No one is blaming Buhari for the state of the Nigerian military industrial complex but he was a major (if I'm not mistaken), an influential rank then (during the civil war). Having witnessed the victory of Nigeria what did they do to consolidate the gains of indigenous armament technology whether from their compatriots or their foes. Nothing. So what do you expect today. Nothing. They didn't sow, they didn't sacrifice. They cannot reap today.

Gbam

Don't mind them

Mynd44:

Of course not. I am effing pissed but in their own interest are they right?

U really need a good rest man cuz ur contradicting ursef. Maybe GEJ shuts down their routes to Nigeria or ban them entirelly sitting maybe improving local content as a reason.

They have no reason aside tryn to please USA.

Trut:


We blame APC, Buhari, Northern leaders, Northern elites, the Muslims etal because they don't condemn the activities of Boko haram, rather the blame the FG.

By your reasoning, Jona is also guilty of all asari dokubo's violent statements because he has never condemned them abi?

2. Is buhari in govt?

3. Jona promised to solve BH problem and he didn't include Buhari/elders' condemnation as a condition.

chukwudi44:


What a dumb analysis, so boko haram can continue killings people till after the elections. You were among those criticising the president for supposedly under arming the army

You are dumber than dumbo. It is only now that you have come to the realization that Boko Haram has been killing people? Are you implying that the Nigerian military does not possess any arms at all? or at least enough to hold back Boko Haram for a few weeks?

I do not understand you TAN people at all. If someone alleges that Boko Haram have better arms that the Nigerian military, the president, the army and and you TAN brigade come out fuming in the eyes that it is a lie. But you guys are now behaving that if you do not get arms today, Boko Haram will overrun Nigeria.

The best the Army can do now is to contain Boko Haram, they cannot afford a full blown war 7 weeks to elections. If they do how will the various politician including Jonathan campaign in a war zone? Thousands if not millions of people will be displaced. so how will you get them to vote. Things are already complicated as it is, as to how to get already displaced people to vote.

WhiteTechnology:



If Northern and Western elites who ruled Nigeria had involved our higher institutions in weapons development ( Design , Fabrication and Testing ) as DICON mass produces, we won't be receiving these insults.


Question guys like you should ask is

What effort did Buhari make in encouraging our higher institutions in weapons development when he was military head of state.

What effort did OBJ make in seeing that Nigeria through the help of her higher institutions developed weapons that are exportable.

since gej became president has he done this? As a matter of fact we started hearing of lack of weapons for the first time under his incompetent leadership despite devoting more funds to defence compared to prev admin

chukwudi44:


What a dumb analysis, so boko haram can continue killings people till after the elections. You were among those criticising the president for supposedly under arming the army

why is the president now in so much hurry to acquire arms when there has been so much cry of before now for him to fo so and he did not, the other day we heard that tompolo, one of the top militant leaders had acquired a gunship.

OreMI22:
[size=15pt]The flight can actually fly non-stop from Karachi International Airport, Pakistan to Addis Ababa,Ethiopia for 5 hours.
Then link up from Addis Ababa directly to Abuja, Nigeria within 4-5 hours of flight.

So, they really don't need to use the Saudi airspace at all.
Saudi Arabian Airline should also avoid our airspace and airports.[/size]

i think the airlines prefer flying above land rather than water bodies for obvious reasons, however, i think the best route is Pakistan to Israel to Nigeria, no need for Saudi. then multiply whatever Saudi airlines pay before for using our airspace and facilities by 1000%

Why will Saudi grant when they know it's another Avenue to siphon Nigeria's money by GEJ and his cronies..?

https://www.nairaland.com/2067016/photos-unreleased-pwc-audit-report-what

LRNZH:
Why will Saudi grant when they know it's another Avenue to siphon Nigeria's money by GEJ and his cronies..?

https://www.nairaland.com/2067016/photos-unreleased-pwc-audit-report-what

Since when did Saudi Arabia become protector of Nigeria's money

Mynd44:
We have blamed the APC, Buhari, America, Chad, Cameroon, The Muslims, the Northern Elites, the Northern Leaders. Why not also blame Saudi Arabia?

Most of you already say they are Islamic Militants and they do the wishes of Muslims anyway. Instead of addressing the root cause that the Nigerian state can not be trusted with arms least it ends up in the hands of terrorists.

Our global reputation is almost non-existent right now and what we care about is throwing blames around

Be careful. You might be the next to be blamed. The story would be that your posts on Nairaland is being read by some people in Pakistan and the Pakis have therefore decided not to sell weapons to Nigeria. No excuse is too ridiculous for these people.

Mynd44:

I am not equating anything. I am letting you know that just because someone claims to be doing something in the name of a religion does not mean every other person in that religion supports it.
It does not even mean that's what the religion is about.

I am not Muslim, I am a Christians and I have met Muslims who are some of the nicest people in the world. I have also met Christians who are almost not human when it comes to being good people.

I have also met Christians that I would spit and puke when their names come up.

Mynd44:

So everyone that comes up in the name of Islam represents Muslims?

I guess Catholics priests who molested little boys represents Christians then

The difference here is that the so called depraved Catholic Priests will never justify their despicable act with the pages of the bible, neither are they going to start chanting "JESUS IS LORD!" to support their act and claim they were commissioned by God or obligated as Christians to carry out such act.

But, I can't say the same about bh, isis or any other islamic militant group for that matter.

The question here is not committing the crime as a christian or a muslim, but your source of inspiration which is evident on the fact that such individual can go as far as using the very name (i.e Jesus or Muhammad) and book (I.e Quran or Bible) they so cherish/revere to justify their actions.

Have you ever heard any robber being referred to as christian or islamic robber?

The point is nobody will refer to anyone or group as "christian" or "islamic" militant if you do not give them a reason to tag you as such (compare BH and ND militant).

cjrane:
[size=15pt]I completely believe this story is untrue and designed to leak Nigeria's source of arms procurement for it's military.

However, "If" Saudis refuse access over their airspace, they can always break the trip.

Fly from Pakistan to Dubai.
Then from Dubai, fly over the Indian ocean to avoid Saudi Arabia and then land at Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.
Then from Addis Ababa to Abuja, Nigeria.

[/size]

Then quietly deny Saudi Arabian airlines landing rights in Nigeria.


.Don't say i told you so...



Oremi',thank you for providing a satellite map of the flight path & the Addis Ababa Connection, to make comprehension easy.

You are welcome Sir!

Has the arms arrived yet?
... I hope Saudi Arabia airlines have stopped using our airports and airspace too.

All these insults must stop!