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Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by Nobody: 10:41am On Dec 30, 2014 |
LOL...They talk about Science! Some of them don't even know what Science is ![]() ![]() Now I understand why atheism is growing fast on Nairaland ![]() |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino1: 10:48am On Dec 30, 2014 |
doubleDx: all they do is ask you to proof there is God... and tell you the Muslim god might be the real one or thor might be the real god... I don't care which is the right one I believe in God based on faith... let them scientist or atheists explain where energy comes from... how it was created |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by frank317: 11:12am On Dec 30, 2014 |
You guys will never learn. Who said atheists belief in big bang theory? Do u know the meaning of atheism? Are atheists scientists? Atheists don't believe in the existence of any God. They never said they believe in big bang theory. They don't know how the world came about and the existence of God makes no sense to them. Besides the big bang is on going research... Its not a dogmatic believe, facts could change tomorrow from further discoveries. However its good you are asking questions perhaps it could lead to further research and discoveries, however, I wish you asked these questions befor coming into conclusion about ur god. When it comes to ur believe you don't ask questions, u just believe by faith but when it comes to big bang theory you ask questions. What does that make you? 3 Likes |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino1: 11:34am On Dec 30, 2014 |
frank317: faith is explained, science is explained... atheists believed time and space started at a given point... but they don't know right? some say it is big bang which is what they belief... but let me ask you! how can you say or proof it is not God when you say you don't know how? not that am saying it is god for the benefit of this debate but do you have any grounds to say it is not God when you have no clue? |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by Ograke(m): 11:37am On Dec 30, 2014 |
Op. The first fallacy you committed was to assume all atheists subscribe to the big bang theory. FYI, not all atheists are science-inclined. There are a good number of atheists, agnostics e.t.c who have not much knowledge of science. Some arrived at irreligion out of sheer curiosity and thirst to know the truth and live by it; some due to glaring absurdities, inconsistencies and fallacies being propagated by religion. Heck, there are many irreligious people who are okay with the simple answer "I don't know" unlike religion which claims to have monopoly of knowledge. 3 Likes |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by frank317: 11:53am On Dec 30, 2014 |
benalvino1: Well, it is not God until I know its God. I don't need to prove its is not God. The fact is that I don't know if its God that created d world. If it is God that created the world then I will know. Besides what's will proofing its do for me? If its or really God and he chose to leave the world in a state that some sect of people could doubt his existence, how is that my fault? How will knowing its God or big band put garri on my table. U are not even sure its God that's why you believe by faith. I chose not to believe by faith. The fact is both of us don't know how the world came about, the difference is u chose to believe its God by faith, and label me foolish for not by believing by faith. Not only that, u also threaten me with ever lasting hell for not having faith. If God exist let him prove himself to me, until then...i don't believe he does. As for believing by faith... I will pass. I am not ready for such stupidity. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by realtem(m): 12:00pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Ograke:***CHEERS*** |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by Weah96: 12:10pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
benalvino1: No. Atheists believe that personal Gods are imaginary and do not exist. That's what makes someone an atheist. Seeking to understand the origin of the universe is a personal quest, uncoupled from the belief in personal, book publishing Gods. 4 Likes |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by davien(m): 12:29pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
benalvino1:Actually it's not atheists that gave the principle,so your totally wrong there... This reveals your "knowledge" of the theory you are attacking vehemently So we know scientifically that there was a moment when there was no matter at all.It's either you are kingebukasblog or wildly misinformed....at no point in the big bang theory was there ever a "nothing" in it's classical sense....all it says is the universe is a result of an expanding primordial universe of which resided in an extremely small and dense state(singularity state)... It was created, not out of other matter, but out of nothing. Here is the key to note: it is once the universe came into existence that the laws of nature came into effect–before the universe, there was nothing.This is the problem with using simple language to describe complex theories to lay people....the creation of the universe is often linked to the big bang because all the current matter and energy are a result of the expansion of the universe from its prior state(singularity)... And you are contradicting yourself here,how can you accept that matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed and think there was ever a time when "nothing" was the state of existence? It's plainly obvious you know nothing about the big bang from that question....I reckon you even think it's an explosion in space.... If matter is the condensed form of energy and did not exist till a substantial amount after the big bang....then how is matter the cause of the initial expansion?... male and female,hemophrodite,etc everything that you see,you believe it works therefore a magical being/beings of even more infinite complexity wished them into existence right? The fact that 9/10 of all species are extinct and you as the 1/10 that is alive today,is looking at the still 1/10 that is alive and touting that you are somehow special to have been in existence otherwise how did the random string of events and faulty adaptive behaviours that prompted the 9/10 of all species to be extinct grant your survival right? ![]() Your dichotomy is that either everything in motion is the result of intelligence or random chance....that even the wilting of leaves were wished into its state otherwise how could the naturalistic factors play out right? The fallacy you've made is merely an argument from ignorance....that you don't know how the universe came into being nor the life you see today...therefore everyone should accept your conclusion that a magical being did it....sorry but until you can actually justify that with objective evidence i can't take it seriously... And the really ridiculous thing here is that you opened a thread about "atheists and their stupidity" but somehow ended up being the stupi.d one.. If you indeed want to ask or learn anything about the theory you are attacking you can ask freely...though i am not an astrophysicist I can cite you to explanations that you can easily understand.. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino1: 12:53pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Ograke: what do you subscribe to? if you have no explanation or evidence or theory why claim others are wrong? |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino1: 12:57pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
frank317: who is blaming you? if god gave us freewill so how is it a problem? I said I know and God made us all... you said you don't know... good for you but don't speak for me. |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino1: 1:04pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
davien: since when did point out become gave? when did I say atheists gave the conservation of energy? you say at no point that the big bang theory there was never a nothing... then I ask you again the conservation of energy states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed!! how did the matter come about? Newton laws of motion a body with remain at rest unless a force act upon it... where did the force come from? and you think you are debunking me. this guy don't even understand what he is replying to. |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino1: 1:11pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Newton's second law Objects at rest remain that way unless acted upon by a force. In this case: The atoms of the universe. Gases expand naturally, but with forces. There has to be a force that set the expansion for the big bang. Thermodynamics The first law of thermodynamics states that the energy of a closed system is constant. Thermodynamics laws apply to all closed systems. The second law states that entropy of a closed system always increases. This means that eventually, the universe will flatten out to an omega state, when the entropy reaches maximum. The universe will then either return to timelessness, or bounce back causing another big bang. What has an end must have a beginning. The law of causality Every effect must have a cause. The universe had a beginning, therefore there must be a cause to it. Cell theory All cells can only come from preexisting cells through division. A cell cannot come about by other processes like Abiogenesis (according to cell theory). NOTE: Abiogenesis is NOT a theory. It's a set of hypotheses. The law of conservation of energy Energy cannot be created or destroyed, but is conserved and changes form. However, the energy in the universe must have come from somewhere according to the law of causality. |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by davien(m): 1:23pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
benalvino1:The case I made was that atheists did not give the principle...so why are you relating it as though they did? Sherlock if energy is eternal and from mass-energy equivalence principles we can derive matter from energy then what exactly are you talking about? Newton laws of motion a body with remain at rest unless a force act upon itIn spite of your lack of phrasing and elementary knowledge of principles you miss the entirety of what is being discussed...can the universe be said to be a body in motion? I doubt you understand that newtons laws of motion applies to objects which are single point masses or perhaps you slept over that class in secondary school... I'll say this and I'll say it again,I hardly try to debunk anyone...arguments like this are just too simplistic and ignorance driven that anyone could expose it Says the one that applies a conditioned principle on a universal scale... ![]() |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino1: 1:36pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
davien: yeah they didn't but they use it. or some use it. dude the universe is expanding according to science... the universe contains body of masses in it then it self has a mass or go to the periodic table or logic every matter atom has a mass. atom does have mass. its a structure made of electrons, protons, neutrons, and any more atomic materials, every one of them do have mass all these are object with single point masses from smallest to largest for example mass of a Hydrogen atom is 1.00794 amu this is the lightest of all known atoms. a hydrogen atom is actually 1 proton (1.0073 amu) + 1 electron (0.00055) + 0 neutron (1.008665), and 1 amu (atomic mass unit) = 1.66053886 × 10^-27 kilograms the sun is the biggest in our solar system |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by davien(m): 1:43pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
benalvino1:Lol! ![]() ![]() |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino1: 2:02pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
davien: what is the universe The Universe is all of spacetime and everything that exists therein, including all planets, stars, galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space, the smallest subatomic particles, and all matter and energy keyword is therein... its like a container... if object in it have mass then the mass of the universe is in addition to the mass of those objects. your house is a single thing from outside which contains multiple things inside... \again common sense! anything that contains matter has a mass |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by Weah96: 2:02pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
benalvino1: Really? We should offer you a Rhodes Scholarship. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino1: 2:06pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Weah96: what's bigger than the sun in our solar system? or you don't know what solar system is |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by davien(m): 2:07pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
benalvino1:Dude you are running away from the question here...how is the universe a single point mass if you believe it(the universe collectively) follows Newton's second law? ![]() I'll make it easy for you,objects in the universe do...now is the universe itself in accordance? |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino1: 2:14pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
davien: science says universe is expanding that is motion.. my point on laws of motion is what force caused matter that doesn't exist to collide according to all the laws I have stated? |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by Weah96: 2:14pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
benalvino1: They say ignorance is bliss and I agree. Good luck to you in life my brother. You're OK with me. 3 Likes |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino1: 2:18pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Weah96: lmao... so you don't know what solar system is? hahaha and you say ignorance is bliss to me |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by davien(m): 2:34pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
benalvino1:What exactly are you talking about?...precisely ask your questions clearly |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino1: 2:52pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
davien: The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model for the birth of the universe.[1] The model postulates that at some moment all of space was contained in a single point from which the universe has been expanding ever since this is why I use Newton's second law Objects at rest remain that way unless acted upon by a force. In this case: The atoms of the universe. Gases expand naturally, but with forces. There has to be a force that set the expansion for the big bang. what is it? Thermodynamics The first law of thermodynamics states that the energy of a closed system is constant. Thermodynamics laws apply to all closed systems. The second law states that entropy of a closed system always increases. This means that eventually, the universe will flatten out to an omega state, when the entropy reaches maximum. The universe will then either return to timelessness, or bounce back causing another big bang. What has an end must have a beginning. The law of causality Every effect must have a cause. The universe had a beginning, therefore there must be a cause to it. Cell theory All cells can only come from preexisting cells through division. A cell cannot come about by other processes like Abiogenesis (according to cell theory). NOTE: Abiogenesis is NOT a theory. It's a set of hypotheses. The law of conservation of energy Energy cannot be created or destroyed, but is conserved and changes form. However, the energy in the universe must have come from somewhere according to the law of causality. but from where? |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by davien(m): 3:27pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
benalvino1:And I told you that newtons second law of motion applies to single point mass bodies....the universe is not a single point mass body...because it has no centre of gravity...you know next to nothing about the principle if you think it applies to the universe.. And the law of thermodynamics will eventually bring the universe to heat death not bounce it back again...and the recent discovery of the universe being flat means it will expand forever(albeit getting slower) and eventually no feasible structure can be obtained due to its expansion... The law of cause and effect is not applicable universally....quantum physics has demonstrated this with virtual particles and products of quantum fluctuations at minute scales and hence the universe was traced back to a size the billionth of a proton.. And what does cell theory have to do with the big bang? pick a topic and lets discuss...although your posts reek of being a copy-paste job. Again if energy cannot be created or destroyed...does a question like where does energy come from intellectually sound when everything is virtually a form or consequence of energy? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by asala1: 3:33pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
benalvino1: Please if God created the world, who created God? Another higher God? |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino1: 3:36pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
asala1:That's not the issue Open a thread for that |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by Nobody: 4:50pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Op,face it,you 've just defeated the purpose for religion with the topic of your thread 'STUPIDITY' Now,If the doctrine of your God permits you to call an atheist like me stupid then your God isn't worth serving because atheist like me takes morality a top priority and prior to that I'm conscious of badmouthing people inorderwords,Atheist don't do God,We do Good so who's seems stupid now? 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 4:53pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Hjf benalvino1: You conceded that you have no proof of God. This is important despite your claim that your belief is based on faith. Faith is not a choice though. You can't see white and say it is black because you have faith it is so. Your denial of being abusive does not make sense. The caption of your thread belies the denial! You should care about which God is real because your belief is mostly based on fear of eternal damnation. If you choose the wrong God assuming there is any God, you will face this damnation. Therefore saying that you don't care which is the real God is asinine. It seems to me that no meaningful distinction exists between getting the God wrong but believing in something and getting the God wrong but not believing in anything. I personally do not care about the physics or chemistry of the formation of the world, all I know is that there is no evidence of God. 3 Likes |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by frank317: 5:37pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
benalvino1: Good now I think you have gotten my drift... I I won't get to hia unreasonable question from you again. |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino1: 5:39pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
sufido123:Faith don't work with proof... the creation of earth in the bible and the God that create humans documented in the bible is what I believe... I don't use Hubble telescope to start talking crap. This thread is not about me proving anything but about atheists who base their beliefs on backs to back up the creation of the universe with facts |
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