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Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by asalimpo(m): 9:40pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
Weah96: That's how all christian deal with God,thru faith, reason comes later. Factual evidence comes later. God's word is d agency of faith, but you unbelieving folks ,one day every man will hav no excuse , faith will b done away with but you moronic guyz, atheists so called, it will b toooooooo late for ya. You'll b screaming and begging to be given another chance to believe in God but you won't be given. |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by cloudstar: 9:52pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
asalimpo: I respectfully, disagree with you. All Christians don't deal with God through faith and Christianity is not based on faith alone. Read Luke 1: 1-4. The origin of the New Testament is historically proven. So, it is not based on faith alone |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by asala1: 9:59pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
slyfox5555: 1. Catholics are Muslims I guess. 2. I actually don't how we got here but I will rather believe my ancestors were created by Olodumare in Ife because I'm Yoruba than to believe that my ancestors were some Hebrew family created in some imaginary perfect garden in the middle east. 3. From the Bible, are the Israelites not the chosen people? How many different empires were ruined according to the bible because Yahweh is taking his people to the promise land- Jericho and Canaan came to my mind. 4. Will you as a president of a country allow people from another country encroach your territory? There are rules, every empire has their right to defend their territory. For example, will it be right for the US start destroying Nigeria if they refuse them entry into Niger republic through their country? Please remove yourself from this mental slavery. |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by Femmymata2(m): 10:08pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
Empirical evidence? Through observation and experience i'm at a point that i feel there couldn't be an intelligent creator that allows so much natural disaster(tsunamis,earthquake,flooding e.t.c) and human disasters(killings,raping,mutilation,deformity from birth e.t.c) I'm sure you don't see how these should negate the belief in God's existence. Some of us (athiest,agnostic) feels if an intelligent creator exist and seems to be unconcerned about happenings on earth then IT IS AS GOOD AS IT IS NON EXISTING. Of what good is a father that abandons his children leaving then a bøok while staying in hiding for no sensible reason. Kids are raped,mutilated,bombed,slaughtered,abused,tortured by some religious fanatic God does nothing. Plane crashing,ISIS,BOKO HARAM,ALQUEDA massacre daily where is God. People dying of horrible diseases,poverty,war e.t.c where is God? Of what use is God? What does he/she do to make the world a better place. Oops, i forgot he is waiting for judgement day 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by cloudstar: 10:12pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
asala1 1. Catholics are Muslims I guess. My point was Catholics have traditions and practices that are not Biblical i.e. Confession to priest, purgatory. If you show me where it says the earth is the center of the universe in the Bible, then you have a case. So, far - you are mis-representing the Bible. 2. I actually don't how we got here but I will rather believe my ancestors were created by Olodumare in Ife because I'm Yoruba than to believe that my ancestors were some Hebrew family created in some imaginary perfect garden in the middle east. Another ignorant statement - where in the Bible did it claim that Adam and Eve where Hebrews? ![]() 3. From the Bible, are the Israelites not the chosen people? How many different empires were ruined according to the bible because Yahweh is taking his people to the promise land- Jericho and Canaan came to my mind. Your claim was that from their Exodus; they murdered innocent people. Upon closer look at the details and texts, it stated otherwise. I am not denying that their were wars in the Bible. 4. Will you as a president of a country allow people from another country encroach your territory? There are rules, every empire has their right to defend their territory. For example, will it be right for the US start destroying Nigeria if they refuse them entry into Niger republic through their country? Stop playing pretend - the text was clear. If I was a president and someone asked for safe passage - I WILL NOT ATTACK THEM. Man up and admit if you mis-represented the text instead of playing smart. Please remove yourself from this mental slavery Try and get some education, most especially on Biblical narratives - you are free to believe in whatever you like, we all are. |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by Femmymata2(m): 10:24pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
Humans out of curiosity have written holy books(bible,quran,e.t.c) created many Gods allah,jehouah,zeus,sango e.t.c. These God have alot of similarities, they can't talk,act, be visible and all you see and hear is there worshippers telling us how great,good,just,caring there God is. There God except in their various books is completely impotent and unreachable when it comes to reality 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by cloudstar: 10:27pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
Femmymata2: So, basically God is an idea that people believe in but can't prove or can't explain what He or it is? |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by Femmymata2(m): 10:44pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
cloudstar:i agree with that... Aptly put |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 10:57pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
cloudstar: To determine my parentage: There is DNA testing How do you know this is me? You are being fastidious, it does not matter whether is me or my sister or anyone because in this forum we are all anonymous. The bottom line is that you know you are communicating with a human being. Therefore your position is not tenable. You can't answer a question by posing another question. I am a humanist and you asked me if there is anything that I believe in that cannot be verified. The simple answer is no. I am not superstitious and I believe in things that are verifiable including when you tell me about your God, you have to prove that he/it exists. That leads me to a response to your assertion that when I said that there is no evidence of God, it means I claimed to know it all. I do not claim to know it all, my claim is that there is no evidence of God and you have not been able to discredit this assertion. I don't even know enough to say there is no God, my position is there is no evidence of his existence and this is a truism. I would not be debating the physics, biology and chemistry of the world, it will do you and I no good. I do not care what you think about evolution, consciousness or energy. It is a search I am not interested in. Similarly, my interest here only relates to the evidence of God's existence. If you have any verifiable evidence of God, I would be willing to share it with you but please do not tell me the bible is your evidence because it is not. For your assertion that other gods but Yahweh are false, you are again engaging in a conclusion you have no fact to support. You simply do not know which God is real if at all there is God. If you understand why you dismissed Zeus as God then you would understand why others dismiss Yahweh and his son. Of course you do not understand why you dismiss other gods, you have simply been brainwashed to do so You were born an atheist and the rest of the dogma you acquired after birth were by accident of birth. I know it is difficult for you to admit that you cannot provide me with any evidence of the existence of God. The rest of your assertions though interesting are nothing but wild goose chases. If your qwest is to discredit evolution to validate God, I say good luck in that but count me out. To me there is a possibility that both evolution and God dogma are both wrong. However, evolution makes more sense than the God delusion. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by asala1: 10:59pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
cloudstar: This is the Hebrew word for "man". It could be ultimately derived from Hebrew אדם ('adam) meaning "to be red", referring to the ruddy colour of human skin Adam (Hebrew: אָדָם) is a figure from the Book of Genesis, also mentioned in the New Testament, the Quran, the Book of Mormon, and the Book of Iqan. According to Womack's creation myth[1] of Abrahamic religions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam The name Eve is a Hebrew baby name. In Hebrew the meaning of the name Eve is: Life, living, lively. Famous bearer: the Old Testament mother of the human race who tasted the forbidden fruit, precipitating the Fall of Man. Eve (Hebrew: חַוָּה, Classical Hebrew: Ḥawwāh, Modern Israeli Hebrew: Khavah, Arabic: حواء, Syriac: ܚܘܐ, Tigrinya: ሕይዋን? or Hiywan) is a figure in the Book of Genesis in the Hebrew Bible. In Islamic tradition, Eve is known as Adam's wife although she is not specifically named in the Qur'an. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve So in the Bible,Yahweh didn't help the Israelites murder innocent people and destroy so many empires for just no cause? Who are their enemies? Are these other empires not the so called 'Yahweh creations'. If Yahweh created everyone as the bible claim, why will he allow some 'chosen generation' to destroy others because they don't allow them save passage? This is ridiculous. This is the God the Bible says created the whole world doing this:- *Sihon refused Israel passage, went out to fight and was defeated (Numbers 21:21-26). All his cities were destroyed. [b]Men, women and children were slain[/b] (Deuteronomy 2:26-36). Israel took possession of his land. *The Amorites in Jazer were dispossessed (Numbers 21:32). No other details were recorded. *Og of Bashan fought Israel (Numbers 21:33-35). Sixty cities along with many walled and unwalled villages were destroyed. Men, women and children were all slain (Deuteronomy 3:1-11). *Midian was destroyed for tempting Israel into idolatry (Numbers 31:3-19). All Midianite cities and encampments were burned. Only female virgins were allowed to live. Do you know what sane people call these killings? GENOCIDE. Yes, Yahweh aided Genocide on the people he created. BTW, I haven't finish reading the history of my ancestors not to talk of reading the folklore of some ancient Hebrew people. Only you can remove yourself from this mental slavery. |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by Femmymata2(m): 11:01pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
Anyone trying to make this world a better place for us all to live is a God to me. I despise anything that divides humans be it God,race,ethnicity,political belief e.t.c because it denies us humans the great things that we can accomplish if we are united. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 11:13pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
Femmymata2: You are right on the money! 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by Femmymata2(m): 11:18pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
@asala1, thanks for your insightful comments. It disgust me when i read the part of the bible where God orders israelites to kill without mercy some other group of people which includes infants,children and women. I ask myself did God not create this little children himself? Is that all he can do to salvage the situation? Amöngst all the land in whole world God cannot find anyone suitable for his chosen people without massive bloodshed. I learnt God repents,grieve at times but does it have any morals at all. But why should i blame the authors of the bible for writing on the historical happenings that positiöns them as a superior race to the others. If yorubas are to write about themselves won't they do thesame! 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by asala1: 11:22pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
cloudstar: 1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.” Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...” Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...” Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.” Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...” We all know the earth is moving. Don't believe some semi-educated ancient men. Oh sorry, Yahweh forgot that the earth actually moves when he inspired them or I guess he was high on some heavenly leaves. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by cloudstar: 11:25pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
asala1 This is the Hebrew word for "man". It could be ultimately derived from Hebrew אדם ('adam) meaning "to be red", referring to the ruddy colour of human skin Bros, there is no where in the Bible that Adam or Eve are referred to as Hebrews; you seem to be making claims that the Bible didn't make. So in the Bible,Yahweh didn't help the Israelites murder innocent people and destroy so many empires for just no cause? Who are their enemies? Are these other empires not the so called 'Yahweh creations'. If Yahweh created everyone as the bible claim, why will he allow some 'chosen generation' to destroy others because they don't allow them save passage? This is ridiculous. Let's be more specific. Please provide the specifics you are referring to and then we can look at the context. It's one thing to sound rhetorically effective but it's another thing to look at the texts you are referring to to find out what it means. So, please provide specifics. Earlier, you said the same thing about the Exodus; you were proven wrong and here you are making general statements. Again, I am not saying that there were no wars and killings in the Bible - not at all. I am saying you can't cry foul until you have read what happened. In your case, you have cried foul so many times BTW, I haven't finish reading the history of my ancestors not to talk of reading the folklore of some ancient Hebrew people. Suit yourself Only you can remove yourself from this mental slavery The slavery you are referring to exist in your realm my friend - not mine 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by asala1: 11:31pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
cloudstar: *Sihon refused Israel passage, went out to fight and was defeated (Numbers 21:21-26). All his cities were destroyed. Men, women and children were slain (Deuteronomy 2:26-36). Israel took possession of his land. *The Amorites in Jazer were dispossessed (Numbers 21:32). No other details were recorded. *Og of Bashan fought Israel (Numbers 21:33-35). Sixty cities along with many walled and unwalled villages were destroyed. Men, women and children were all slain (Deuteronomy 3:1-11). *Midian was destroyed for tempting Israel into idolatry (Numbers 31:3-19). All Midianite cities and encampments were burned. Only female virgins were allowed to live. Do you know what sane people call these killings? GENOCIDE my friend. Yes, Yahweh aided Genocide on the people he created. Adam and Eve are Hebrew names, just like Obasanjo is a yoruba name Only you can remove yourself from this mental slavery. |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by cloudstar: 11:34pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
asala1 1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.” Cha - why do you step so low to validate stupi.dity. This is a verse that is a psalm i.e. a poem. David was given a metaphoric expression about God's power. Did you read verses 31 and 32? Can the earth rejoice? Can the sea roar like a lion? These are simple metaphoric examples and that is very common in the Bible. Jesus said in the gospels - I am the Door. Does that mean He is a physical door that is in your house? You are directly mis-representing the authors and the passages you have quoted. It shows little to nothing on your grasp on what you quoted. It's really pathetic though ![]() It shows how little you know about the subject you are debating ![]() Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...” Bros, I wouldn't do myself justice if I responded to you - please go back to school and read up on your basic literature. While at it, sit down and read the Bible, actually read it to get some insight. When you do that, you will see how shallow and pointless your claims are. We all know the earth is moving. Don't believe some semi-educated ancient men. Oh sorry, Yahweh forgot that the earth actually moves when he inspired them or I guess he was high on some heavenly leaves. From your argument so far; I can see who is high on some "leaves" ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by asala1: 11:39pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
Femmymata2: Thanks. I think Yahweh just love the sight of blood. Can't someone who created the whole world make a land flowing with milk and honey from a barren land and settle the Israelites there to save the brutal killing? 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by asala1: 11:44pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
cloudstar: This is also a peom abi? [Then spake Joshua to JEHOVAH in the day when JEHOVAH delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. And there was no day like that before it or after it, that JEHOVAH hearkened unto the voice of a man: for JEHOVAH fought for Israel. (Joshua 10:12-14) 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by cloudstar: 11:57pm On Dec 31, 2014 |
sufido123 To determine my parentage: There is DNA testing So, what happens if both your parents were dead - what then? How do you know this is me? You are being fastidious, it does not matter whether is me or my sister or anyone because in this forum we are all anonymous. The bottom line is that you know you are communicating with a human being. Therefore your position is not tenable. I am communicating with someone, that is true - there is no standard to suggest or that you are who you are. You could be on one of the Russian space station for all we know. My point is simple - writing on an online forum that over 6.5 billion people have access to doesn't prove who you are. We need more evidence i.e. legal evidence You can't answer a question by posing another question. I am a humanist and you asked me if there is anything that I believe in that cannot be verified. The simple answer is no. I am not superstitious and I believe in things that are verifiable including when you tell me about your God, you have to prove that he/it exists. Remember I asked you - What is the origin of energy, what is energy? Can you show me energy? I am sure you believe in energy and you know it exist - we all do. However, can you show me energy or tell me what energy is? Can you look at it under a microscope? That leads me to a response to your assertion that when I said that there is no evidence of God, it means I claimed to know it all. I do not claim to know it all, my claim is that there is no evidence of God and you have not been able to discredit this assertion. I don't even know enough to say there is no God, my position is there is no evidence of his existence and this is a truism. To that I said - what is the standard to prove or show evidence that He exists? I admitted that I can't mathematically prove God neither can I mathematically prove you ate dinner 5 years ago. So, if you are looking for a mathematical proof - then no - I can't prove God mathematically. However, proof can be showing something beyond reasonable doubt and in such a case - God can be proven. I would not be debating the physics, biology and chemistry of the world, it will do you and I no good. I do not care what you think about evolution, consciousness or energy. It is a search I am not interested in. Similarly, my interest here only relates to the evidence of God's existence. If you have any verifiable evidence of God, I would be willing to share it with you but please do not tell me the bible is your evidence because it is not. Dude, I will not even go to the Bible. I want to use a standard that we both agree to; actually that scientist agree to. That is why I asked you what energy was because it's such a common thing but you ignored the question. So again, what evidence do you want? For your assertion that other gods but Yahweh are false, you are again engaging in a conclusion you have no fact to support. You simply do not know which God is real if at all there is God. If you understand why you dismissed Zeus as God then you would understand why others dismiss Yahweh and his son. Of course you do not understand why you dismiss other gods, you have simply been brainwashed to do so I am not dismissing Zeus, I am saying the categorization on the Christian God and Zeus (as an example) is flawed because they are totally different in their character, their laws, how they relate, their history. So, they are not the same and it's a big error to claim that you can categorize them as the same. Zeus was created and is a product of two other gods so are nearly all other gods. The Christian God is the 1st un-caused cause; wasn't created and created all things. Again, do the research before you make such claims. There are people today that claim they are gods - we have a place for them - the mental hospital ![]() You were born an atheist and the rest of the dogma you acquired after birth were by accident of birth. I know it is difficult for you to admit that you cannot provide me with any evidence of the existence of God. The rest of your assertions though interesting are nothing but wild goose chases. You seem not to play by the rules you are setting. I have asked you for the standard of evidence so many times but you keep ignoring me. If your qwest is to discredit evolution to validate God, I say good luck in that but count me out. To me there is a possibility that both evolution and God dogma are both wrong. However, evolution makes more sense than the God delusion. I am not discrediting anything - you seem to be running in circles pointing fingers but can't get specific with me |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by cloudstar: 12:02am On Jan 01, 2015 |
asala1 [Then spake Joshua to JEHOVAH in the day when JEHOVAH delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. Cha - so we have left the Bible "claiming the earth is the center of the universe" and now we are on the sun? ![]() What has the sun in this passage got to do with the earth is the center of the universe? |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by asalimpo(m): 12:15am On Jan 01, 2015 |
cloudstar:theyre some rare instances where some ppl had spiritual encounters tht made believe that God is real. But eventually all christians hav to conduct their lives and beliefs on nothing other than with no other than a "God said ... ". This is the m.o in the kingdom of God. This is how faith operates. |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 12:21am On Jan 01, 2015 |
cloudstar: You seem to be the one changing the rules. I asked you for evidence of god's existence but you claimed that you can't mathematically prove the existence of God. I never asked you for the mathematics of god delusion, all I asked is any tangible evidence. You want it to be mathematics of God. I specifically excluded anything outside evidence of God like biology, chemistry, physics, evolution. Let me also add the exclusion of math or any studies beside tangible evidence. Provide me with any evidence of God or just find something else to do. For the rest of your arguments, you are pulling straws and going in vicious circles. Any attempt to change your cause of action seems to hit a brick wall. I doff my hat to you though for not being insultive like most christians who have no valid arguments. I am no longer interested in your hypotheticals. If it makes you feel better to say I am in Russian space station or that I am not who I am, then do it. You may also conclude that if my parents are dead, my parentage can't be verified. It won't change anything for me. The what ifs are just attempts in futility. The fact remains that you have not been able to present a scintilla of evidence of God. I do know that you have a track record of believing in amorphous things. If you believe in Yahweh and his son, you would definitely believe anything. Therefore, I won't be surprised by any of your spurious beliefs. How specific do you want be to be? I asked for any evidence of God. Do you have it? Yes or no? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by asalimpo(m): 12:39am On Jan 01, 2015 |
sufido123:God is not a physcal being. Your assumption is flawed and trite. It assumes first,tht anything that is real is physcal? (an unproven/provable assumption). Next,it uses this false base as a yard stick. Let me ask yo a question, if life is all physical and without God existing, then, why hav all ancient societies had a belief in God? Why do men of all strata and division of the world have znd inclination to worship a higher being? Who made them so |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by Redlyn: 1:20am On Jan 01, 2015 |
cloudstar: By proof I mean Evidence of some sort which stands up to scrutiny. Not speculation. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 1:50am On Jan 01, 2015 |
asalimpo: Ancient people were wrong in many things including religion, slavery, world is flat, human sacrifice etc. That majority could be ignorant have been proven time and time again. There was a time majority believed that sicknesses were caused by the devil or evil spirits..Africans still believe this but the rest of the world have moved beyond this. I am not assuming anything, all I need is evidence of God! It is not trite to ask for it. Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. Why are you so confident that God exists when you have conceded that God can't be proven because he is not physical? How do you then know that he exists besides following the ancient belief? Even in your Christian doctrine, you have abandoned many teachings because they are absurd viz: being stoned for working on sabbath, for adultery, for not being a virgin on wedding night if you are a woman, wearing clothing made of two different linens, selling your daughter into slavery, drinking poison and playing with snakes to show your faith. Not having sex was required of you. Christ required that you become a eunuch. I can go on and on. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 2:09am On Jan 01, 2015 |
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Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by cloudstar: 3:41am On Jan 01, 2015 |
Redlyn: Proof has two meanings: 1. There's the rigorous meaning in maths that is very difficult to do and rare 2. Then there's the other meaning – beyond reasonable doubt So, I can't mathematically or scientifically prove that God exist. However, I can provide evidence beyond reasonable doubt that He does. If you are interested, we can get started 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by cloudstar: 3:44am On Jan 01, 2015 |
asalimpo: What I mean is this: 1. Believing in the historical Jesus doesn't require faith. That is because the actual events happened. We can verify those events even if the Bible didn't exist 2. Historical evidence showed that Jesus was crucified - so we don't need faith to believe that. If you say we need faith to please God and to live as Christians then I agree but you do not need faith to believe in God 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 4:01am On Jan 01, 2015 |
cloudstar: How many times have you been asked to provide this evidence? Do so without much ado! 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by cloudstar: 4:13am On Jan 01, 2015 |
sufido123 You seem to be the one changing the rules. I asked you for evidence of god's existence but you claimed that you can't mathematically prove the existence of God. I never asked you for the mathematics of god delusion, all I asked is any tangible evidence. I keep asking you, what kind of evidence do you want? We can't inspect God in a lab neither can we call Him up for a meeting to prove He exist. So, I keep asking you; what kind of evidence do you want but you keep looping around. You want it to be mathematics of God. I specifically excluded anything outside evidence of God like biology, chemistry, physics, evolution. Let me also add the exclusion of math or any studies beside tangible evidence. Provide me with any evidence of God or just find something else to do. You still seem not to understand the premise. I am stating that I can't mathematically or scientifically prove God so if the evidence or proof you are requesting is a mathematical or scientific one then no - I can't provide such evidence. However, I can logically provide strong evidence that a Creator/God exist. That has been and is my point For the rest of your arguments, you are pulling straws and going in vicious circles. Any attempt to change your cause of action seems to hit a brick wall. I doff my hat to you though for not being insultive like most christians who have no valid arguments. You seem to shy away from constructive conversation. Why, I have no clue. I am no longer interested in your hypotheticals. If it makes you feel better to say I am in Russian space station or that I am not who I am, then do it. You may also conclude that if my parents are dead, my parentage can't be verified. It won't change anything for me. The what ifs are just attempts in futility. Another attempt in the wrong direction. We are talking about proof, you opinion is irrelevant. Proof that you are child of your parents would be your birth certificate. If you were not born in a hospital; proof that you are related to your parents would be eye witness account. Those are called legal and historical proof. That is what I am trying to get you to see. Proof that you are who you say you are would be your drivers license confirmed by some authority; a video chat, confirmation of your location. Those are all trails that we can confirm. So, you playing smart and avoiding the question shows how little you understand what I was getting at. I gave you the example of providing proof/evidence that you ate dinner 5 years ago? You can't scientifically prove this - it has to be a legal or eye witness proof to confirm if you ate dinner or not. So, while there are so many categories of evidences and proofs; we can use one or a combination of more than one to provide evidence. The fact remains that you have not been able to present a scintilla of evidence of God. I do know that you have a track record of believing in amorphous things. If you believe in Yahweh and his son, you would definitely believe anything. Therefore, I won't be surprised by any of your spurious beliefs. How specific do you want be to be? I asked for any evidence of God. Do you have it? Yes or no? Bros - what is your standard of evidence oh? How many times do I have to ask? I can provide theological and philosophical arguments. I can provide logical arguments to prove beyond reasonable doubt that God exist. The question is - will those proofs be acceptable to you - if they won't then there is no need for me to waste my time. If you will ignore the arguments and evidence as irrelevant then there is no need to bother. Hence the reason I have stated several times, I can't prove God mathematically or scientifically if those are your standard of evidence. We can debate the existence of God until the cows come home. It can be very interesting, especially when one goes into the detail and explore the subject in depth but for an atheist, they might be missing the point or avoiding the real issue. |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by cloudstar: 4:19am On Jan 01, 2015 |
sufido123: I guess you are reading with your eyes close. WHAT KIND OF PROOF DO YOU WANT OOOO. Do you want a scientific proof, logical proof, theological one? What type of proof do you want? 1 Like |
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