agaugust:
In war, surrounding your enemy is not really surrounding his country, your target is his military force.
All Egypt has to do is to surround every battalion, brigade, division/corp of Algerian forces that they meet on land, sea and air.
1.5 million soldiers, 30,000 tanks/IFV/LAV/missiles/ICBMs/artillery, 250 F-16 jets, 50 Apache Helicopter gunships, 50 fast missile crafts/corvettes/frigates/submarines, Egypt can surround any African military force from any African country.
If Egypt wants war with me, I will ask for peace negotiations, why should I die before my time?
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LOL.facing egypt=committing suicide,genocide,patricide,matricide,homicide,and every other 'cide' that exist.but viewing it objectively,from a military angle;it is almost impossible for egypt to use or have control of all its arsenal during a war,neither will all of egypt's soldiers be fit to fight a war at any given time.in a war of proxy,much would depend on the countries between egypt and algeria.

charlos14:


Personally, I think that Egypt would win. Does Algeria have any war experience?

no.algeria does not have much experience in "these matters"{well,no modern experience}.but experience isnt everything,experience can be countered with ingenuity,cunningness and strategy.

Happy new year soldiers and terrorists.... 2015 South Africa is looking foward to the continuation of exploiting Nigerians in Nigeria hence the reduction of giving them asylums here in SA is a possibility...

Let this thread of dreamers and liars reach 1million replies.....Equatorial Guinea here we come#Afcon

MikeCZAR:


South Africa can smash all African states.

Training is more important than combat experience

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Papa Ajacso

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Egyptian army is no longer the skinny ordinary men that fought Israel 40 years ago, Egypt today 2014 has an army like Sparta !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A79vulkrh6g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVaD0UypFAs

Egyptian army has changed physically and technologically since 1970s, in physical strength, only Algeria and Nigeria can match Egyptian soldiers in Africa, no other country has that level of soldier stamina and physical combat skills

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[size=16pt]Happy New Year 2015 To You All !

Be Closer To God This Year....Human Life Is Like A Vanishing Vapour[/size]
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Happy New Year to all my Nigerian, South-African, Kenyan, Ghanaian and namibian brothers.

Henry120:


At the top of my head, IFV's that are better than the patria

1, BMPT terminator
2, VBCI
3, piranha v
4, Bradley IFV
5, BTR-4E
6, BMP 3
7, chinese ZBD-08
8, german puma
9, Israeli Namer IFV.

- Terminator - not actually an IFV, its an AFV (clown)
- VCBI, why is it better?
- Piranga V, i guess its soo good no one bothered to buy it
- Bradley is tracked and is a cold war relic. And is a different class of IFV
- BTR-4E, you mean the BMP3 with a different engine?
- ZBD-08 is a different class of IFV
- Puma is tracked and is a different class of IFV
- Namer is tracked and is a different class of IFV

You are comparing apples to oranges

Compare the Patria to vehicals in its class and then tell us actually why they are better.

Either way, its of no consequence, we have the best IFV in Africa (if not the world) and you have nothing that compares

AugustineAgain:
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Enter The BTR-4....Nigerian Army Buys Africa's Best IFV...
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[img]http://www.ste.com.ua/upload/catalog/Zonder%2015n-2.jpg[/img]
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lololololololololololol

Its a POS as combat in the Ukraine has shown

Patria takes the cake, all day long

Henry120:


The Finish patria isn't the world's best IFV.

Nigerian army BTR-4E ranks top.

We also Operate Africa's most modern MBT behind Algeria's T-90. Nigerian army

First, tell us why it is better.

It has inferior protection, no mine protection, inferior weapons systems

It cant even stand up to HMG's when the Patria can handle direct hits from RPG's

Olifant is far equally advanced if not more

Henry120:
African militaries Top 10 rankings.

1, Algeria
2, Egypt
3, Nigeria
4, Ethiopia
5, Morocco
6, Sudan
7, South-Africa
8, Uganda
9, Tunisia
10, Kenya.

Without prejudice this is an accurate ranking of Africa's Top 10 militaries.

No this is an unbiased unprejudiced ranking - made by professionals

1. Egypt
2. Algeria
3. Ethiopia
4. South Africa
5. Nigeria
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing-africa.asp

AugustineAgain:


Which war has Patria fought? BTR-4 is fighting war in Ukraine today.

The technical specs of BTR-4 beats the Patria or Badger

http://tanknutdave.com/the-ukrainian-btr-4-apc-family/

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How do the technical specs beat the Patria?

Which war has the Patria fought in? Uhhh... Afghanistan, where it survived multiple RPG hits

Henry120:


First things first.

Nigeria is in number 3.
South-Africa in number 7.

Egypt doesn't have a better military than Algeria. They might have a larger military, but Algeria has the sustainance. There is no proof the Egyptians can sustain their military over a prolonged war with another nation. Algeria also has a more modern military.

Tanzania has a decent military, but their inventory doesn't go far enough. They are much like Rwanda.

South Africa ranks above Nigeria
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing-africa.asp

AugustineAgain:


I proved BTR-4 is more sophisticated and more modern than Patria

http://tanknutdave.com/the-ukrainian-btr-4-apc-family/
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How, stop posting random links and tell us how.

Patria has better protection
Patria has better weapons systems
Patria has more modern electronics

BTR-4 is nothing impressive and is out of its league in comparison to the Badger

agaugust:


If South Africans could think, you wouldn't need Nigerias Dangote there
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If Nigerians could think we would not have dominated your economy with multiple companies

We would also not have the majority of Africa's biggest companies

EVarn:
LOL.facing egypt=committing suicide,genocide,patricide,matricide,homicide,and every other 'cide' that exist.but viewing it objectively,from a military angle;it is almost impossible for egypt to use or have control of all its arsenal during a war,neither will all of egypt's soldiers be fit to fight a war at any given time.in a war of proxy,much would depend on the countries between egypt and algeria.

well Egypt need a very buoyant army not because of any sub Saharan African nation, but because of the neighbourhood in which she finds herself. Mohammed Ali started determining the role of the Egyptian military by her geographical position since the 19th century when he built an army of about 90,000 men, even the Turkish sultan had to call on Egypt to free mecca from the onslaught of the Wahabis. By 1826 Egypt already had an army of 90.000 men. The eastern question was beginning to have its answer. The Europeans began to regard Egypt as the next Arabian power. As at then though some of the men that made up the Egyptian army were farmers and slaves ( falahan) they were whiped into subjection and trained to obey and execute military commands. This men were trained by French mercenaries. With that said i will like to let you all know that the Egyptian military have recorded more war than any state that exists or have ever existed in Africa. I ll be back with a list of the battles where the Egyptian military have been committed.

agaugust:


Papa Ajacso

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leave that man. Happy new year boss.

Happy new year!! everybody. It is just sad news to announce to you that Bama and Gwoza is still in the arms of BH despite the claims that both towns have been recaptured.


http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/174070-cant-overrun-boko-haram-gwoza-bama-others-nigerian-army.html

patches689:


lololololololololololol

Its a POS as combat in the Ukraine has shown

Patria takes the cake, all day long

Near Sloviansk the terrorists repeatedly hit
the new Ukrainian APC-4E with mortars but
it survived and is ready for a new battle.

en.censor./photo_news/288451/ukrainian_apc4_were_tested_in_the_battle_of_sloviansk_rpgs_bullets_and_mine_fragments_photo


show us ur 'non-battle tested' IFV again

mzilakazi:
Happy new year!! everybody. It is just sad news to announce to you that Bama and Gwoza is still in the arms of BH despite the claims that both towns have been recaptured.


http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/174070-cant-overrun-boko-haram-gwoza-bama-others-nigerian-army.html

boss, reliable authority have said it several times that those towns have been liberated and yet you still go about searching the internet for peddlers of false information. What do you stand to gain?

EVarn:
no.algeria does not have much experience in "these matters"{well,no modern experience}.but experience isnt everything,experience can be countered with[b] ingenuity,cunningness and strategy.[/b]

all those things are products of experience. Do not be carried away by mzilakazi's theory of training overshadows experience. In a true combat situation every little advantage no matter how little it seems to be will aid you in mapping out your moves. And it is experience that gives you a hint into possible outcomes. It is experience that let you know that this is how your enemy may or may not behave in a situation were the doctrine on which you were trained do not apply. It is experience that fires ingenuity, innovation, cunninness and strategy.

overhypedsteve:
all those things are products of experience. Do not be carried away by mzilakazi's theory of training overshadows experience. In a true combat situation every little advantage no matter how little it seems to be will aid you in mapping out your moves. And it is experience that gives you a hint into possible outcomes. It is experience that let you know that this is how your enemy may or may not behave in a situation were the doctrine on which you were trained do not apply. It is experience that fires ingenuity, innovation, cunninness and strategy.

a superb analysis on your part.but i beg to differ,experience does not necessarily grant an average soldier the unique skill of ingenuity,subtle art of cunningness and ponderous ability of strategy.yes,the more the experience,the more the knowledge and skills gained,but i do not believe that a brilliant mind and perspective can be gained through experience,it can only be gained through ardous training of the mind and body.

overhypedsteve:
well Egypt need a very buoyant army not because of any subSaharan African nation,but because of the neighbourhood in which she finds herself.Mohammed Ali started determining the role of the Egyptian military by her geographical position since the 19th century when he built an army of about 90,000 men,even the Turkish sultan had to call on Egypt to free mecca from the onslaught of the Wahabis.By 1826 Egypt already had an army of 90.000 men.The eastern question was beginning to have its answer.The Europeans began to regard Egypt as the next Arabian power.As at then though some of the men that made up the Egyptian army were farmers and slaves(falahan) they were whiped into subjection and trained to obey and execute military commands.This men were trained by French mercenaries.With that said i will like to let you all know that the Egyptian military have recorded more war than any state that exist or have ever existed in Africa.

egypt has always been a military giant.

overhypedsteve:
boss, reliable authority have said it several times that those towns have been liberated and yet you still go about searching the internet for peddlers of false information. What do you stand to gain?

Tell the truth as it is.

AugustineAgain:


Algeria has the most modern military in Africa.

Egypt has the most powerful.

Nigeria has the most experienced.

Rankings....

1. Egypt
2. Algeria
3. Nigeria

Other will struggle for position 4 to 10 strongest military in Africa
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Unfortunately Nigeria's most experienced soldiers cannot win against BH.

iterator24:


Near Sloviansk the terrorists repeatedly hit
the new Ukrainian APC-4E with mortars but
it survived and is ready for a new battle.

en.censor./photo_news/288451/ukrainian_apc4_were_tested_in_the_battle_of_sloviansk_rpgs_bullets_and_mine_fragments_photo


show us ur 'non-battle tested' IFV again

First, that is the non-standard version with an anti-rpg cage

Second, the Patria has seen extensive combat in Afghanistan - one particular Patria survived no less than two RPG-7 rockets without sustaining any damage. And it was not equipped with slat armor (which can still be fitted)

Patrias which are more heavily armored (like ours) can survive up to 30mm armor piercing rounds
http://www.military-today.com/apc/patria_amv.htm

Your BTR-4 is only protected against 7.62 ball ammunition
http://www.military-today.com/apc/btr_4.htm

Further, the fact that our patria uses modular armor means that we can armor it as we need it. We can put light armor on it and stick it in planes or exploit its amphibious abilities, or we can stick heavy armor on it so it can survive a fight with anything smaller than a main battle tank

Your simple BTR-4 has limited modularity - meaning limited abilities to up armor it. Your only real option is slat armor which is only effective against older generation RPG's and not HMG's. Your BTR-4 also has ZERO IED/mine protection - unlike ours which has been extensively upgraded to counter just that risk. Not to mention that it has HUGE FREAKING WINDOWS which arent very effective at stopping bullets.

Not to mention that the weapons systems we designed for the badger are so effective that we have allready sold them to other nations - before the vehical has even entered service!!

patches689:


Either way, its of no consequence, we have the best IFV in Africa (if not the world) and you have nothing that compares

South African Badger IFV is NOT yet in SANDF service, so you don't have it.

Soweto factory has 2 units of Badger IFV for evaluation and plant set up for production planning in 2017 to 2020.....still a dream

SANDF has old Ratel as your IFV 2014

Nigeria has BTR-4E today 2015, we had it since last year 2014, as I say always, NOBODY really knows all Nigerian weapons, secret only leaks out little by little. I posted last year September that Nigerian army has BTR-4 IFV but all you South African mumus and mugus called me a liar, now who is right? You or me? Me of course, all South Africans are always fools

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patches689:


First, that is the non-standard version with an anti-rpg cage

Second, the Patria has seen extensive combat in Afghanistan - one particular Patria survived no less than two RPG-7 rockets without sustaining any damage. And it was not equipped with slat armor (which can still be fitted)

Patrias which are more heavily armored (like ours) can survive up to 30mm armor piercing rounds
http://www.military-today.com/apc/patria_amv.htm

Your BTR-4 is only protected against 7.62 ball ammunition
http://www.military-today.com/apc/btr_4.htm

Further, the fact that our patria uses modular armor means that we can armor it as we need it. We can put light armor on it and stick it in planes or exploit its amphibious abilities, or we can stick heavy armor on it so it can survive a fight with anything smaller than a main battle tank

Your simple BTR-4 has limited modularity - meaning limited abilities to up armor it. Your only real option is slat armor which is only effective against older generation RPG's and not HMG's. Your BTR-4 also has ZERO IED/mine protection - unlike ours which has been extensively upgraded to counter just that risk. Not to mention that it has HUGE FREAKING WINDOWS which arent very effective at stopping bullets.

Not to mention that the weapons systems we designed for the badger are so effective that we have allready sold them to other nations - before the vehical has even entered service!!

South African army has NO single Badger IFV in combat service or army arsenal, it will come by year 2020....dreams so long

BTR-4 is a modern generation advanced IFV and one of the best in the world today. Nigerian BTR-4 beats the Badger on speed and amphibious capability. Badger is a dry land only IFV

There are several different versions of BTR-4 with different cannon from 20mm to 120mm and different armour from bullet resistant to RPG resistant armour tested and proven.

[size=13pt]http://tanknutdave.com/the-ukrainian-btr-4-apc-family/[/size]





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[size=16pt]Nigerian Army Now Rules The IFV World Of Africa with our BTR-4 IFV ![/size]



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-UurX9Tzls



Watch and compare SANDF Badger IFV smoke puffing engine, see how slow, unstable, weak and inferior in performance/technology


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VRk75lu1pE

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patches689:


No this is an unbiased unprejudiced ranking - made by professionals

1. Egypt
2. Algeria
3. Ethiopia
4. South Africa
5. Nigeria
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing-africa.asp

Nope, your source globalfirepower is ZERO professional, TOTALLY unprofessional.

They rank Congo DRC with a dead air force, above Uganda that has latest Russian Su-30 MK Flanker jets and 100 T-90 tanks with 1,000 ATGMs.

Sure, as a dumbo retaard South African, any source can fool you, even if it is written by a village firewood wood-cutter !
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EVarn:
a superb analysis on your part.but i beg to differ,experience does not necessarily grant an average soldier the unique skill of ingenuity,subtle art of cunningness and ponderous ability of strategy.yes,the more the experience,the more the knowledge and skills gained,but i do not believe that a brilliant mind and perspective can be gained through experience,it can only be gained through ardous training of the mind and body.

Don't go chasing waterfalls! COIN war new to NA ... hence the initial challenges in dealing with these hit and run scoundrels here in the NE. Close to two years in the game ... experience guides our tactical response! What is ingenuity and cunningness without the presence of mind to rely on past experience! Calm down!

When you see real fight you go run!

agaugust:


South African Badger IFV is NOT yet in SANDF service, so you don't have it.

Soweto factory has 2 units of Badger IFV for evaluation and plant set up for production planning in 2017 to 2020.....still a dream

SANDF has old Ratel as your IFV 2014

Nigeria has BTR-4E today 2015, we had it since last year 2014, as I say always, NOBODY really knows all Nigerian weapons, secret only leaks out little by little. I posted last year September that Nigerian army has BTR-4 IFV but all you South African mumus and mugus called me a liar, now who is right? You or me? Me of course, all South Africans are always fools

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First Badgers roll off the factory floor next year - not 2017. Liar

You have no BTR-4's