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Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 4:41am On Jan 01, 2015 |
cloudstar: You said you have proof in your previous post. Share it now! Any tangible post would do. Forget the science of God delusion, I don't care for it and you conceded that you did not gave that. |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by cloudstar: 6:18am On Jan 01, 2015 |
sufido123: My first argument or proof is the cosmological argument: 1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause. 2. The universe began to exist. 3. Therefore, the universe has a cause 4. That first cause is God |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by cloudstar: 6:20am On Jan 01, 2015 |
Femmymata2: So then what is energy? |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 7:37am On Jan 01, 2015 |
cloudstar: This is mere sophistry or better yet the fallacy of non sequitur. It could also qualify as Devine fallacy. Your assertion can never qualify as evidence under any standard. In fact, it is one of the most lame evidence of God I have heard. The divine fallacy, or the argument from incredulity, is a species of non sequitur reasoning which goes something like this: I can't figure this out, so a god must have done it. Or, This is amazing; therefore, a god did it. Or, I can't think of any other explanation; therefore, a god did it. Or, this is just too weird; so, a god is behind it. It is a fallacious argument nonetheless. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by Femmymata2(m): 8:08am On Jan 01, 2015 |
cloudstar:physical and mental powers? Power derived from physical or chemical resources to provide heat,light e.t.c |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by malvisguy212: 8:12am On Jan 01, 2015 |
cloudstar:bro you need to read this. https://www.intellihub.com/darwinism-eugenics-and-the-silent-genocide/ |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by cloudstar: 10:48am On Jan 01, 2015 |
Femmymata2: Heat and light are forms of energy. Energy causes power - however that doesn't tell me what energy is. What is energy itself - is it something that you can show me? What is the origin or energy? |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by cloudstar: 10:54am On Jan 01, 2015 |
sufido123 This is mere sophistry or better yet the fallacy of non sequitur. It could also qualify as Devine fallacy. Your assertion can never qualify as evidence under any standard. In fact, it is one of the most lame evidence of God I have heard. My argument is very logical and is based on empirical evidence. 1. We all know that nothing can produce nothing - except of course you are suggesting otherwise. It is statement is false, please prove it. It's it true please confirm it 2. Our universe had a beginning & didn't exist eternally: Science holds this view as true. Christians had always held this view. Again if this is false, please falsify it or confirm if it's true From the above, what is false or incorrect about what I have said? |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by davien(m): 12:28pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
cloudstar:William lane craig has been called out on this his apologetics....why are you rehashing long debunked apologetics? http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/William_Lane_Craig |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino2(m): 12:45pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
The stupidity of cosmology just got even worst Right after the Big Bang, the universe had a monstrous growth-spurt called inflation. The whole thing was over in less than a trillionth of a trillionth of a second, but the universe grew exponentially in that brief blip, repeatedly doubling in size. At the end of inflation, although the universe was still [size=18pt]smaller than a car[/size], the outer edge had traveled many times faster than the speed of light. Since then, the universe has continued its expansion, but at a more reasonable, steady pace. From nothing and explosion we have Sun Gases Flesh Water Etc. Out of matter or nothing... Then matter gave birth to dark matter Then anti matter collide with matter What the F is anti-matter? |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by 1ord: 4:26pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
benalvino1:Correction. The bible says the earth is round and flat and not a sphere, theres a diffrence.Do not attribute a mans life work with a work of fiction. Give honours when due. The bible also says nothing about the expanding universe. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by 1ord: 4:34pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
slyfox5555:You just pick parts of the scripture to support your view points.Fact is yaweh and his ilk are genocidal maniacs that attack people unprovoked.The guys i pity the most are the people of jericho they were in their own land in their own city yet those genocidal maniacs randomly decide to slay them.I you have read through Kings and various parts of the old testament then you know i am right. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino2(m): 4:36pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
1ord: Circle is round right? Triangle, rectangle are all angles right? Sphere and circle are round right? So what's your point? A sphere is round!!! Dictionary for you 1. Geometry. a.a solid geometric figure generated by the revolution of a semicircle about its diameter; a round body whose surface is at all points equidistant from the center. Equation: x 2+ y 2+ z 2= r 2. b.the surface of such a figure; a spherical surface. 2. any rounded body approximately of this form; a globular mass, shell, etc. |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 4:38pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
cloudstar: Fallacious argument period! Case closed. What type of empirical evidence are you talking about? You have none. Don't ask me to falsify your false argument, it is already false. Therefore, I can't negate a negative. By the way I noticed that you try to evade the tough questions by creating your own questions and then answering the questions the way you like. It does not make sense. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by 1ord: 4:38pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
cloudstar:Fact is yaweh and his ilk are genocidal.You can try to twist the scriptures but we have all read them. They attacked many nations unprovoked either to get to their promised land or just because they had diffrent gods. Your God is a bigot. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 4:47pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
1ord: You are correct. Yahweh is genocidal. He killed one million Africans (Ethiopians) for no apparent reason. This is the worst extermination recorded in the horrible bible. Yahweh is blood thirsty and loves the sweet smell of blood including that of women and children. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 4:53pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
1ord: What about the Amelekites? He even said in his horrible book (the bible) that they will never be remembered. However, he asked that their story be recorded and by this recordation, the world got to know and remember them for the atrocity committed against them by Yahweh. "14 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write this as a memorial in a book and recite it in the ears of Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven.” Exodus 17). Since Yahweh was omniscient, he should have known that by Moses writing this as a "memorial" he would "not utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven.” The story of Amelek echoes now crying out for justice! Yahweh must be tried for crimes against humanity. After conviction, he must be incinerated in his own inferno. "Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Sam 15:1‑3). Yahweh is a crazy genocidal maniac with anger management issues. What was their sin? Nothing! Yahweh punished them for the sins of the Moabites committed like 300 years prior. 3 Likes |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino2(m): 5:06pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
1ord: You just prove you believe in God... |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by 1ord: 5:07pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
benalvino2:Wow you just compared a circle and a sphere. Pls if you cannot understand the difference between a 2d object and a 3d one then i guess there is no hope for you. |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by 1ord: 5:10pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
benalvino2:How?? Theists always pulling conclusions from their arses. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino2(m): 5:16pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
1ord: Too bad we are not on the dimensions... we are talking about the attributes both has.... when you say circle you are talking about a round object and when you talk about sphere you are talking about round object... get that into your skull If sphere is round and the bible says the earth is round what's the problem? When did mathematicians come up with the word sphere to describe 3d circles? On paper the earth is always 2d therefore a circle... in reality its 3d a sphere which is a 3d circle. |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by benalvino2(m): 5:18pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
1ord: You are confused... the God you trying to say doesn't exist is the God you are accusing of genocide... ok big bang commit genocide |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 5:39pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
The Amalekite Genocide Nothing much needs to be said about this one. You only need to read the first three verses from 1 Samuel 15 to know for sure that the God of the Bible is evil. (Thank goodness he doesn't exist!) Still, it is good idea to look at the story in context. (Bible believers often tell us to look at the context. But context nearly always makes Bible stories worse, not better. This story is no exception.) Samuel also said unto Saul ... Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 1 Samuel 15.1-3 Notice that Samuel speaks here for God. Why would anyone believe that then or now? Was it because it sounded like something God would say? And if the genocide was so important to God, why didn't he tell Saul directly? But let's assume that the Bible is right and Samuel quoted God correctly. If so, then (unlike many of God's killings) we know why God wanted to Saul to kill all the Amalekites -- because God remembered what their ancestors did hundreds of years before they were born (they defended themselves when the Israelites tried to kill them and take their land). And Saul pretty much did as God commanded. He sent 210,000 soldiers to kill everyone and everything among the Amalekites: men, women, children, babies, animals -- except for the king, Agag, and some of the more valuable sheep, oxen, and lambs. Saul gathered the people together … two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah. … And Saul smote the Amalekites ... And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword. But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them: but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly. 15.4-9 Saul killed the old men, the pregnant women, the children and babies. But he spared the king and some of the more valuable animals, and God would never forgive him for it. Samuel cried his little eyes out all night and God repented of making Saul king. Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying, It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night. 15.10-11 It's good to know that God repented. When you order someone to commit genocide for stuff that happened centuries ago, you should be a bit sorry about it. But that wasn't what God was sorry about. God wanted all of the Amalekites to be killed. In some sick way it made God happy every time an old Amalekite woman or a little baby was killed. No, God repented of making Saul king because he didn't kill everyone, and God wanted everyone killed. And if you believe in the Bible, you wanted them killed, too. [If this Bible story is true (which it isn't, of course), how many Amalekites were killed at God's command? I originally gave it the usual 1000 for a standard massacre, but Saul sent 210,000 soldiers to do the killing. He wouldn't send that many soldiers to kill only 1000 civilians, would he? So I increased it to 10,000.] God's next killing: Samuel hacks Agag to pieces before the Lord - See more at: http://dwindlinginunbelief..com/2010/01/gods-63rd-killing-amalekite-genocide.html#sthash.qmo9NFRP.dpuf 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by malvisguy212: 5:43pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
1ord:Job 9:8 8 Who alone stretches out the heavens And tramples down the waves of the sea; Psalm 104:2 2 Covering Yourself with alight as with a cloak, Stretching out heaven like a tent curtain. Obviously, there is something unusual about these "corners." Actually, the Hebrew word translated "corners" is kânâph, which actually refers to the wing of a bird (translated literally in the Literal Translation of the Holy Bible, LITV, above). So, the phrase is an idiom that refers to the four points of the. compass (north, south, east, and west). The verse has nothing to do with the earth being flat. The next thing you know, the atheists will be claiming that the Bible says the earth is a bird, since it has wings! |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by malvisguy212: 5:54pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
sufido123:the amalakites, are they innocent? Did you read the whole story? The Amalekites attacked the Israelites without apparent provocation as they were traveling during the Exodus ( Ex 17: ![]() out, they met you on your journey and cut off all who were lagging behind" ( Dt 25:17-18). They later attacked Israel during the time of the Judges (Jdg 3:13) and often raided the Israelites' land after they had planted crops, leaving them with nothing ( Jdg 6:2-5). God punished the Amalekites by ordering Saul to destroy them ( 1 Sam 15:2-3) - over 300 years after they had first attacked Israel. During that time, the Amalekites had contact with the Israelites and would have heard about God. They could have repented and changed their ways, but they continued to raid and plunder other cities up to the time of Saul and David (1 Sam 30:1-3). The Amalekites that Saul and David warred against were clearly no better than their ancestors who had first waylaid Israel. "It is not for your righteousness or for the uprightness of your heart that you are going to possess their land, but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD your God is driving them out before you, in order to confirm the oath which the LORD swore to your fathers, to. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. ( Deuteronomy 9:5) Okay, how "wicked" could those people have been? How about killing their own sons and. daughters by burning them in sacrifices to their gods: "You shall not behave thus toward the LORD your God, for every abominable act which the LORD hates they have done for their gods; for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods. ( Deuteronomy 12:31) The wickedness of these people is confirmed in other verses of the Bible. https://www.nairaland.com/2032869/did-god-realy-killed-innocent |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by 1ord: 5:58pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Isaiah 40:22: "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.Matthew 4:8: "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world" Luke 4:5: "And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time." These claims your mad prophets make about viewing all the kingdom of the earth is not possible if it was spherical only if it was round and flat Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth… reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.” Only with a flat Earth could a tall tree be visible from "the Earth's farthest bounds," — this is impossible on a spherical earth i wont bother explaining or trying to prove why you can't see what is at the centre of the earth from a viewpoint regardless of how high you are. Theists: claiming to know the bible yet hasn't read it. |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by 1ord: 6:02pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
malvisguy212:so you wipe out a nation because of sins committed 300 years ago. You agree with the principle of killing someone who doesn't bend to your will or worship your sky daddy? I see .....Thats code for bigot . 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by sufido123: 6:08pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Yahweh is a nincompoop. You can't defend the indefensible. You are an expert in defending things that are pure nonsense anyway . 1 Like |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by malvisguy212: 8:19pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
sufido123:you quote verse that pronounced judgment on the amalakites but fail to provide details of there evil deed. |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by malvisguy212: 8:30pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
1ord:the amalakites are since been judge but God speared themn until they fill up there measure. God did not wipe out the nation,The LORD said to Moses, "Write this on a scroll as something to be remembered and make sure that Joshua hears it, because I will completely blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven." Moses built an altar and called it The LORD is my Banner. He said, "For hands were lifted up to the throne of the LORD. The LORD will be at war against the Amalekites from generation to generation." ( Ex 17:14-16) "Blot out the memory of. Amalek" refers to the extinction of the descendents of Amalek. Clearly God was not referring to the world's knowledge that Amalek existed, else he would not have commanded the Amalekites' defeat to be recorded. He wanted the incidents to be remembered, so that future generations would realize that God, not the Israelites, defeated the Amalekites and avenged their unjust treatment of others. The Amalekites presumably would have been wiped out by Saul in 1 Samuel 15 if he had followed God's instructions. He did destroy the city of Amalek, but other raiding parties/nomadic bands of Amalekites survived. These were defeated by David in 1 Samuel 30 with the exception of a few hundred who escaped ( 30:17). The remnant of the Amalekites were finally destroyed by the Israelites many years later ( 1 Chr 4:43). Thus, while God did blot out the memory of Amalek by wiping out his descendents, he was at war with them for many generations. I don't defend God, I defend the truth, God will defend himself very soon, I assure you bro, mark my word, I Moses say this. |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by Pr0ton: 8:34pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
benalvino1: That's a reasonable conclusion by scientists. It all started. We must have a beginning. We can't just sit down here less concerned with our origin. They try to know about it, even though we might never have the full knowledge and understanding of it. Even, new astronomical observations support their theory, too. The story of Adam and Eve isn't rational enough for a conclusion, not even when studies on DNA give the impossiblity of humans originating from just two individuals. Not even when the creation story itself contains flaws. Why should you bring up this argument with a very weak point to draw from? |
Re: Atheists And Their Stupidity by Pr0ton: 8:44pm On Jan 01, 2015 |
cloudstar: and "whatever begins to exist has a cause" so God has a cause, huh? if He doesn't then He doesn't exist as "whatever begins to exist [must] have a cause" in other words, "things that don't have a cause don't exist." and don't tell me God never began to exist, because He's always there. Your Bible says, "in the beginning was the word" so He has a beginning. Even, pastors do call Him "the beginning and end". 1 Like |
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