agaugust:



South African army has NO single Badger IFV in combat service or army arsenal, it will come by year 2020....dreams so long

BTR-4 is a modern generation advanced IFV and one of the best in the world today. Nigerian BTR-4 beats the Badger on speed and amphibious capability. Badger is a dry land only IFV

There are several different versions of BTR-4 with different cannon from 20mm to 120mm and different armour from bullet resistant to RPG resistant armour tested and proven.

[size=13pt]http://tanknutdave.com/the-ukrainian-btr-4-apc-family/[/size]







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Bagders enter service next year, and multiple units are currently in use by the SANDF

BTR-4 is a BTR-3 with a new engine, and is not at all impressive

The BTR-4 and Patria are the same speed

Patria has better and more advanced armor (yours can only stop 7.62)

How does the BTR-4 beat the Patria in "amphibious ability"?

agaugust:
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[size=16pt]Nigerian Army Now Rules The IFV World Of Africa with our BTR-4 IFV ![/size]



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-UurX9Tzls



Watch and compare SANDF Badger IFV smoke puffing engine, see how slow, unstable, weak and inferior in performance/technology


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VRk75lu1pE

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They are the same speed

Softer suspension is better for off road abilities

Tell us what technology and performance is inferior. Dont just say it. Show us.

mzilakazi:


Unfortunately Nigeria's most experienced soldiers cannot win against BH.

The task for us is not over! So relax and see us do what the Americans and NATO Forces are finding difficult to do elsewhere with all the weapons and expertise at their disposal! Welcome to 2015.

agaugust:


Nope, your source globalfirepower is ZERO professional, TOTALLY unprofessional.

They rank Congo DRC with a dead air force, above Uganda that has latest Russian Su-30 MK Flanker jets and 100 T-90 tanks with 1,000 ATGMs.

Sure, as a dumbo retaard South African, any source can fool you, even if it is written by a village firewood wood-cutter !
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Just like Henry120 who is by definition unprofessional

NaijaPikinGidi:


The task for us is not over! So relax and see us do what the Americans and NATO Forces are finding difficult to do elsewhere with all the weapons and expertise at their disposal! Welcome to 2015.

The Taliban does not enjoy the same freedom or success that BH does

Last I checked, the NATO forces have never been thrown into full retreat by Taliban!!

patches689:


The Taliban does not enjoy the same freedom or success that BH does

Last I checked, the NATO forces have never been thrown into full retreat by Taliban!!

The entire super power force of over 20,000 NATO army, air force, marines and special forces are fast retreating from Taliban war after 11 years of failure in Afghanistan. American military Colonels and General have died there. Now the USA/NATO is running away. Nigeria is still fighting Boko Haram. SANDF has ZERO war experience in COIN and retreated forever from Bangui because of Seleka rebels
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NaijaPikinGidi:


Don't go chasing waterfalls! COIN war new to NA ... hence the initial challenges in dealing with these hit and run scoundrels here in the NE. Close to two years in the game ... experience guides our tactical response! What is ingenuity and cunningness without the presence of mind to rely on past experience! Calm down!

When you see real fight you go run!

True, war experience is vital especially in COIN which is called ASYMMETRIC WARFARE as it follows no rules, no pattern, no predictable tactics, the enemy can do anything and appear anywhere, he has no visible base, no uniform ID, no textbook methods, he can do what you least expect and does not follow the international laws of war.

Terrorists can wear a country's army uniform and deceive civilians and confuse soldiers, before you know it, death is at the door !

The hardest war is COIN, experience is the best teacher, every insurgent group is different and unique in doctrine and tactics
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patches689:


The Taliban does not enjoy the same freedom or success that BH does

Last I checked, the NATO forces have never been thrown into full retreat by Taliban!!

Full retreat?

You sound drained from 2014! Where are the signs, the news, or even the usual propaganda to support your wishful thinking? Fact remains we do to terrorism what the world has been unable to do ... contain, sustain, maintain the pounding and due defeat of your terrorist friends!

Forward and onward!

patches689:


First Badgers roll off the factory floor next year - not 2017. Liar

You have no BTR-4's

Butt hurt Southie Envy will run you maaaaaad

Nigeria has BTR-4 on battlefield today and photos are all over internet, see more below a Nigerian soldier posing to hurt your feelings

Photo Copyright is the world respected Beegeagle

SANDF has NO Badger IFV in service, and date of production has been cancelled many times from 2014, to 2015, now to 2017....dreams only

No money for SANDF = No Badger IFV for SANDF = South Africa is broke

See Nigeria advancing beyond South Africa with Africa's best IFV.....BTR-4 !
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patches689:


Bagders enter service next year, and multiple units are currently in use by the SANDF

BTR-4 is a BTR-3 with a new engine, and is not at all impressive

The BTR-4 and Patria are the same speed

Patria has better and more advanced armor (yours can only stop 7.62)

How does the BTR-4 beat the Patria in "amphibious ability"?

There is NO single Badger IFV in SANDF service, only 2 units for factory evaluation, NOT combat, NOT army arsenal.

Patria speed is 100km/h, BTR-4 is 110 km/h speed.

Patria battle field situation awareness is poor, no armoured windows and screens to back up the interior video monitor like the BTR-4 has both.

There are two different armour options for BTR-4 one with basic bullet protection, the other with ADDITIONAL protection against RPG.

"Weight of the vehicle version:
Basic protection
17.5tons
With additional protection
25tons
Crew commander, gunner, driver
Troops 7-9
(Depending on the type of the fighting module)"

SOURCE : http://tanknutdave.com/the-ukrainian-btr-4-apc-family/


SANDF is NOT buying Patria IFV, you are buying the Badger IFV a dry land only version with ZERO amphibious capability.

Your unlucky Badger will retreat back home when it faces river Zambezi in a hot battle chase and needs to swim cross, your expensive weak Badger will sink to river bottom and die there in water

Nigerian BTR-4 IFV will swim across rivers to launch attack or form defence, Nigeria wins !
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agaugust:


Butt hurt Southie Envy will run you maaaaaad

Nigeria has BTR-4 on battlefield today and photos are all over internet, see more below a Nigerian soldier posing to hurt your feelings

Photo Copyright is the world respected Beegeagle

SANDF has NO Badger IFV in service, and date of production has been cancelled many times from 2014, to 2015, now to 2017....dreams only

No money for SANDF = No Badger IFV for SANDF = South Africa is broke

See Nigeria advancing beyond South Africa with Africa's best IFV.....BTR-4 !
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Production has allways been scheduled for this year (2015) first units will roll off the production line in no time

You think a handfull of poor quality BTRs impresses us? We are building over 200 advanced IFVs

you say te btr is better? Show us how.

Patchesagain:


you say te btr is better? Show us how.

I just showed you above, see my post and photo.

Butt hurt, SANDF fvcks around town with 1980s era old generation out-dated and obsolete Ratel IFV ugly piece of scrap metal junk
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agaugust:

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Egyptian army is no longer the skinny ordinary men that fought Israel 40 years ago, Egypt today 2014 has an army like Sparta !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A79vulkrh6g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVaD0UypFAs

Egyptian army has changed physically and technologically since 1970s, in physical strength, only Algeria and Nigeria can match Egyptian soldiers in Africa, no other country has that level of soldier stamina and physical combat skills

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When bullets start flying it is no longer about muscles but training nd skills.

Israel taught Egypt a lesson even when they had better technology.

Nigeria can't even match BH.

agaugust:


The entire super power force of over 20,000 NATO army, air force, marines and special forces are fast retreating from Taliban war after 11 years of failure in Afghanistan. American military Colonels and General have died there. Now the USA/NATO is running away. Nigeria is still fighting Boko Haram. SANDF has ZERO war experience in COIN and retreated forever from Bangui because of Seleka rebels
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20 000 is actually small as all those troops aren't combat forces.

COIN? The SANDF is led by people who were involved in both sides of the bush war.

PLAN was ten times stronger than BH.

agaugust:


Butt hurt Southie Envy will run you maaaaaad

Nigeria has BTR-4 on battlefield today and photos are all over internet, see more below a Nigerian soldier posing to hurt your feelings

Photo Copyright is the world respected Beegeagle

SANDF has NO Badger IFV in service, and date of production has been cancelled many times from 2014, to 2015, now to 2017....dreams only

No money for SANDF = No Badger IFV for SANDF = South Africa is broke

See Nigeria advancing beyond South Africa with Africa's best IFV.....BTR-4 !
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The SANDF has Badger IFVs.

Your BTR-4 isn't close to the Ratel IFV.

agaugust:

I just showed you above, see my post and photo.
Butt hurt, SANDF fvcks around town with 1980s era old generation out-dated and obsolete Ratel IFV ugly piece of scrap metal junk
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Most of your equipment is obsolete from 1970s as confirmed by your commanders.

agaugust:


Butt hurt Southie Envy will run you maaaaaad

Nigeria has BTR-4 on battlefield today and photos are all over internet, see more below a Nigerian soldier posing to hurt your feelings

Photo Copyright is the world respected Beegeagle

SANDF has NO Badger IFV in service, and date of production has been cancelled many times from 2014, to 2015, now to 2017....dreams only

No money for SANDF = No Badger IFV for SANDF = South Africa is broke

See Nigeria advancing beyond South Africa with Africa's best IFV.....BTR-4 !
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Nigeria has only 5 BTR4 IFVs. Bwahahaaha!!!

NaijaPikinGidi:


The task for us is not over! So relax and see us do what the Americans and NATO Forces are finding difficult to do elsewhere with all the weapons and expertise at their disposal! Welcome to 2015.

Please!! Don't compare rag tag BH to ISIS and other terrorist groups in the middle east. The BH is just only a drop in an ocean as compared to those well armed groups.

agaugust:


There is NO single Badger IFV in SANDF service, only 2 units for factory evaluation, NOT combat, NOT army arsenal.

Patria speed is 100km/h, BTR-4 is 110 km/h speed.

Patria battle field situation awareness is poor, no armoured windows and screens to back up the interior video monitor like the BTR-4 has both.

There are two different armour options for BTR-4 one with basic bullet protection, the other with ADDITIONAL protection against RPG.

"Weight of the vehicle version:
Basic protection
17.5tons
With additional protection
25tons
Crew commander, gunner, driver
Troops 7-9
(Depending on the type of the fighting module)"

SOURCE : http://tanknutdave.com/the-ukrainian-btr-4-apc-family/


SANDF is NOT buying Patria IFV, you are buying the Badger IFV a dry land only version with ZERO amphibious capability.

Your unlucky Badger will retreat back home when it faces river Zambezi in a hot battle chase and needs to swim cross, your expensive weak Badger will sink to river bottom and die there in water

Nigerian BTR-4 IFV will swim across rivers to launch attack or form defence, Nigeria wins !
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Battlefield awareness? windows for? The Badger boasts advanced sensors. The Driver can open his window.

The Ratel IFV isn't amphibious but when it met amphibious tanks and amphibious in Angola, they were blown up.

Nigeria doesn't have an answer to SA mechanised infantry.

Reminder: The Badger IFV mortar variant is armed with the M6 long range mortar, targets can greeted up to 6km.

agaugust:
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[size=16pt]Nigerian Army Now Rules The IFV World Of Africa with our BTR-4 IFV ![/size]



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-UurX9Tzls



Watch and compare SANDF Badger IFV smoke puffing engine, see how slow, unstable, weak and inferior in performance/technology


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VRk75lu1pE

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Badger is the world champion while BTR lacks behind with an old tech of windscreen.

agaugust:


There is NO single Badger IFV in SANDF service, only 2 units for factory evaluation, NOT combat, NOT army arsenal.

Patria speed is 100km/h, BTR-4 is 110 km/h speed.

Patria battle field situation awareness is poor, no armoured windows and screens to back up the interior video monitor like the BTR-4 has both.

There are two different armour options for BTR-4 one with basic bullet protection, the other with ADDITIONAL protection against RPG.

"Weight of the vehicle version:
Basic protection
17.5tons
With additional protection
25tons
Crew commander, gunner, driver
Troops 7-9
(Depending on the type of the fighting module)"

SOURCE : http://tanknutdave.com/the-ukrainian-btr-4-apc-family/


SANDF is NOT buying Patria IFV, you are buying the Badger IFV a dry land only version with ZERO amphibious capability.

Your unlucky Badger will retreat back home when it faces river Zambezi in a hot battle chase and needs to swim cross, your expensive weak Badger will sink to river bottom and die there in water

Nigerian BTR-4 IFV will swim across rivers to launch attack or form defence, Nigeria wins !
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Badger has all the tech that patria has and has a better armour. Your BTR has a weak armour because of its amphibious feature.

EVarn:
no.algeria does not have much experience in "these matters"{well,no modern experience}.but experience isnt everything,experience can be countered with ingenuity,cunningness and strategy.

Experience does not count for everything, you might have it yet still being chased around by a well equipped bandits with a sophisticated weapons as in the case with Nigerian forces and BH. As a results it forced the president of Nigeria to make a loan f $1 billion in order to equip his dying Army.

Nigeria with their well experienced soldiers lost many Police Stations, Army barracks and Schools right before their noses.

Experience does not count without better equipment

overhypedsteve:
thunder go fire you the next time you talk that rubbish. A defence system producing only arrows and sword could be rated as more advanced as yours as long as it is the only one sustaining results in the continent. Pls could you tell me and give instances were your indigenous assets have being commited to ongoing operations. Cus despite the media bashing, Nigerian made equipment have being committed to the ongoing operation in Mali, Liberia and NE, so when you say the most advanced defence industry I began to wonder, in what area are this advancement being applied? In the area of Rhino poaching?

South African made equipment has seen action in Iraq, DRC, Afghanistan, Rwanda, Libya, Angola, Iran, CAR, Morocco and Algeria.

Soon the FIB will be continuing combat operations against rebel groups in the DRC. South African equipment will be seen action.

In what areas?
1. EW equipment.
2. C2 systems.
3.Vehicles.
4. Missiles.
5. Artillery(both guns and shells).
6. Guided munition.
7. And moreB

“Ounce for ounce, Boko Haram is equal to if not better than the Nigerian military,” said one American official here, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss operational reports.




http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/01/world/with-schoolgirls-still-missing-fragile-us-nigeria-ties-falter.html?_r=1&referrer=

GreenandGold:

Bwahahaha!!! Nigerian army produces cowards and thereafter sentences them to death for their cowardice. Col Agu is probably dead by now from the firing squad.

DieVluit:
“Ounce for ounce, Boko Haram is equal to if not better than the Nigerian military,” said one American official here, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss operational reports.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/01/world/with-schoolgirls-still-missing-fragile-us-nigeria-ties-falter.html?_r=1&referrer=

Yes, I agree with the American official. BH is well better than Nigerian Military. No amount of sophisticated weapon can help cowards to win the war. Once a coward always a coward even if you can possess most powerful weapons on earth.

agaugust:


There is NO single Badger IFV in SANDF service, only 2 units for factory evaluation, NOT combat, NOT army arsenal.

Patria speed is 100km/h, BTR-4 is 110 km/h speed.

Patria battle field situation awareness is poor, no armoured windows and screens to back up the interior video monitor like the BTR-4 has both.

There are two different armour options for BTR-4 one with basic bullet protection, the other with ADDITIONAL protection against RPG.

"Weight of the vehicle version:
Basic protection
17.5tons
With additional protection
25tons
Crew commander, gunner, driver
Troops 7-9
(Depending on the type of the fighting module)"

SOURCE : http://tanknutdave.com/the-ukrainian-btr-4-apc-family/


SANDF is NOT buying Patria IFV, you are buying the Badger IFV a dry land only version with ZERO amphibious capability.

Your unlucky Badger will retreat back home when it faces river Zambezi in a hot battle chase and needs to swim cross, your expensive weak Badger will sink to river bottom and die there in water

Nigerian BTR-4 IFV will swim across rivers to launch attack or form defence, Nigeria wins !
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Which version do you have? The one only protected against 7.62!! Ours is protected aginst 30mm!!

First badgers roll off the production line in just months... and we are building 230 for the first production run. How many BTR-4's do you have? How many are you getting?

Badger has superior situational awareness due to the 360 degree thermal imager on the turret - meaning that the commander can keep searching for new targets while the gunner engages others! Your commanders veiw-finder can only face what is being attacked, meaning target aquisition and engagement is slower, and that his situational awareness is poor. I have highlighted the 360 degree imager for you. [s][/s]

The badger also carries more men than your BTR

The badger has superior weapons, including the worlds most advanced 30mm, longest range 60mm mortar and one of the most lethal ATGM's in existance.

With regards to rivers:

1. Amphibious vehicals are at a disadvantage - they are lightly armored, and apart from Recon there is no advantage to amphibious abilities. Proven by the Americans who chose to up armor their bradleys and sacrifice its amphibious capabilities in doing so
2. What are bridges? Can they be laid? Can they be captured?

BTR-4 simply does not compare. Lightly armored, old systems, lack of technical innovation, no mine protection, smaller troop capacity and outranged by some 110km by the badger.

agaugust:


I just showed you above, see my post and photo.

Butt hurt, SANDF fvcks around town with 1980s era old generation out-dated and obsolete Ratel IFV ugly piece of scrap metal junk
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First, the Ratel is superior to 99% of your arsenal.

Second, we are building the most advanced IFV medium in Africa (if not the world)

Third, why cant you prove it? You keep saying the BTR is better, why cant you tell us why?

mzilakazi:



Nigeria has only 5 BTR4 IFVs. Bwahahaaha!!!

3 Operational Badgers > 5 BTR-4's

South Africa wins again

Nigeria in 2014 got at-least 4 CH-3 UAV's from china.

DieVluit:
“Ounce for ounce, Boko Haram is equal to if not better than the Nigerian military,” said one American official here, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss operational reports.




http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/01/world/with-schoolgirls-still-missing-fragile-us-nigeria-ties-falter.html?_r=1&referrer=

This is very incorrect.