patches689:


Just like Henry120 who is by definition unprofessional

I know you just can't help mentioning my name (moniker) at every instance. I'll get to you in due course.

Turkish built UAV

This has to be the most beautiful photo of a UAV i've seen.

Quite breathtaking.

mzilakazi:


Badger is the world champion while BTR lacks behind with an old tech of windscreen.

So what happens when a lucky hit disables your camera and 360 degree thermal imaging sensors? It is more old tech not to have a backup plan.

Henry120:


I know you just can't help mentioning my name (moniker) at every instance. I'll get to you in due course.

There is no need getting back to an Insane patches; his level of insanity is so high you can't measure it !

Henry120:


This is very incorrect.

clearly not

Henry120:


I know you just can't help mentioning my name (moniker) at every instance. I'll get to you in due course.

I mentioned your name because you came up with the rankings you asshat

Try to keep up with the conversation

Henry120:
Nigeria in 2014 got at-least 4 CH-3 UAV's from china.

Yeah, sure you did

charlos14:


So what happens when a lucky hit disables your camera and 360 degree thermal imaging sensors? It is more old tech not to have a backup plan.

First off, lucky hit - which means unlikely hit

Second, there are back up systems, including traditional fixed periscopes.

Third, what will you do when enemy bullets (or an RPG) flys through the HUGE FREAKING WINDOWS on your BTR and tares up everyone in the crew compartment. Hell, even the Ratel has armored covers which are placed over the windows in combat (trap set)

Either way, its superior to the BTR

bidexiii:

There is no need getting back to an Insane patches; his level of insanity is so high you can't measure it !

So, since you lack any substantial responses to the points I have raised RE: Superiority of the Badger, you now resort to petty insult hurling?

Classic.

mzilakazi:


Badger is the world champion while BTR lacks behind with an old tech of windscreen.

Mumu, BTR-4 is state of the art with sophisticated sensors, Tv, and video streaming 360 degrees view without opening turret.

The Badger driver has a window to see the outside and drive, nobody drives armoured vehicles without any windows, the Tv and sensors are for target acquisition, the driver still needs to see through the small Badger window to drive around, the window is there in front of the Bader IFV just so very small like a 30 degree view and gives driver a much less driving view than BTR-4 driver's armoured windows with 180 degree view.

Fools, ya gonna get a badly designed Badger IFV in year 2020.....by then the design will be completely obsolete
.

patches689:


3 Operational Badgers > 5 BTR-4's

South Africa wins again

Bagder is NOT inducted into SANDF service, show me where your army is using it or stocked in arsenal, show me

You have 2 factory evaluation Badgers for testing only
.

patches689:


First, the Ratel is superior to 99% of your arsenal.

Second, we are building the most advanced IFV medium in Africa (if not the world)

Third, why cant you prove it? You keep saying the BTR is better, why cant you tell us why?

Are you blind? I just proved it twice.

BTR-4 has better speed, better road balance/stability and maneuverability, better drivers situation view and awareness, better all terrain capability as it is fully amphibious.

Badger is a local IFV for homeland defence alone on dry land, Badger CANNOT cross a river to go into combat zone
.

patches689:


clearly not

Boko-haram controls no land in Nigeria.

bidexiii:

There is no need getting back to an Insane patches; his level of insanity is so high you can't measure it !

patches689:


I mentioned your name because you came up with the rankings you asshat

Try to keep up with the conversation

You just could not help it. You just had to mention my name.

Patches689, I don't do boys/males.

patches689:


Third, what will you do when enemy bullets (or an RPG) flys through the HUGE FREAKING WINDOWS on your BTR and tares up everyone in the crew compartment. Hell, even the Ratel has armored covers which are placed over the windows in combat (trap set)

Either way, its superior to the BTR

Bwahahaha

Fool, you trapped yourself !

BTR-4 is a modern design IFV and the windows have armoured bullet glass, and armoured steel covers that are closed in risky combat zone in case of RPG threat, Badger design is too old and obsolete for such advanced technology.

BTR-4 is the king of Africa and Nigeria is the Giant of Africa, we own you !

PHOTO : BTR-4 HAS ARMOURED STEEL WINDOW COVERS FOR GLASS WINDSHIELD PROTECTION
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patches689:


South Africa ranks above Nigeria
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing-africa.asp

How can global firepower rank South-Africa above Nigeria with your 3 C-130's and 9 Gripen pilots after 16 years.

That ranking is flawed.

patches689:


So, points I have raised RE: Superiority of the Badger

You raise no valid point, all your points were defeated with one bl.ow

Badger has nothing special, it's an obsolescent design built for dry land only combat terrain
.

Henry120:

How can global firepower rank South-Africa above Nigeria with your 3 C-130's and 9 Gripen pilots after 16 years.
That ranking is flawed.

Simple. Because a military is far more than planes. The only thing flawed about the rankings is that Nigeria is not ranked lower.

patches689:


First, tell us why it is better.

It has inferior protection, no mine protection, inferior weapons systems

It cant even stand up to HMG's when the Patria can handle direct hits from RPG's

Olifant is far equally advanced if not more

The moderator should post this joke in the dustbin section.

Henry120:


Boko-haram controls no land in Nigeria.

That's just a bare denial against multiple reports to the contrary. Only a fool would take a bare denial over multiple reports. You'll have to do better than that if you're to be believed.

agaugust:


Bwahahaha

Fool, you trapped yourself !

BTR-4 is a modern design IFV and the windows have armoured bullet glass, and armoured steel covers that are closed in risky combat zone in case of RPG threat, Badger design is too old and obsolete for such advanced technology.

BTR-4 is the king of Africa and Nigeria is the Giant of Africa, we own you !

PHOTO : BTR-4 HAS ARMOURED STEEL WINDOW COVERS FOR GLASS WINDSHIELD PROTECTION
.

you have fallen into my trap!!

You said it had superior situational awareness due to windows!!

But now you say that the windows are covered in combat!!

Badger has 360 day/night situation awareness... you do not! Your BTR crew will be peering through tiny slits with their naked eyes when in combat, while our crew will have complete awareness of everything around them in all weather conditions in day or night displayed on multiple screens inside the vehical!

BTR is trash. Carries less men, inferior armor, inferior troop carrying, inferior modularity, obsolete electronics, threadbare optics, inferior weapons systems. And you only have 5 of them!

Henry120:


How can global firepower rank South-Africa above Nigeria with your 3 C-130's and 9 Gripen pilots after 16 years.

That ranking is flawed.

Because we have 9 C-130's and a minimum of 14 Gripen pilots

Your thinking is flawed

patches689:


Which version do you have? The one only protected against 7.62!! Ours is protected aginst 30mm!!

First badgers roll off the production line in just months... and we are building 230 for the first production run. How many BTR-4's do you have? How many are you getting?

Badger has superior situational awareness due to the 360 degree thermal imager on the turret - meaning that the commander can keep searching for new targets while the gunner engages others! Your commanders veiw-finder can only face what is being attacked, meaning target aquisition and engagement is slower, and that his situational awareness is poor. I have highlighted the 360 degree imager for you. [s][/s]

The badger also carries more men than your BTR

The badger has superior weapons, including the worlds most advanced 30mm, longest range 60mm mortar and one of the most lethal ATGM's in existance.

With regards to rivers:

1. Amphibious vehicals are at a disadvantage - they are lightly armored, and apart from Recon there is no advantage to amphibious abilities. Proven by the Americans who chose to up armor their bradleys and sacrifice its amphibious capabilities in doing so
2. What are bridges? Can they be laid? Can they be captured?

BTR-4 simply does not compare. Lightly armored, old systems, lack of technical innovation, no mine protection, smaller troop capacity and outranged by some 110km by the badger.

BTR-4 I have proved, has RPG resistant version with double armour and weighs about 27 tons instead of 17 tons on the other version.

You don't know what versions Nigeria has, because not all are caged, the lighter armour use cage, the heavier RPG resistant armour does not use cage, and Nigeria is showing both modes on the battlefield, photos posted all over internet.


[size=16pt]SANDF has NO SINGLE Bagder IFV inducted into service, you have 1980s era Ratel IFV as obsolete as a T-55 tank
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agaugust:


Are you blind? I just proved it twice.

BTR-4 has better speed, better road balance/stability and maneuverability, better drivers situation view and awareness, better all terrain capability as it is fully amphibious.

Badger is a local IFV for homeland defence alone on dry land, Badger CANNOT cross a river to go into combat zone
.

Badger has:

- superior armemant
- superior situational awareness (remember your windows are covered in combat)
- superior armor
- superior range
- superor crew capacity
- superior optics
- superior mine protection
- superior versitility
- and we will have them in superior numbers (236 v 5)

You have yet to prove anything about handling or cross-country performance.

And yes, badger can cross rivers - there are these things called bridges.

You said it is better, show us how.

agaugust:



BTR-4 I have proved, has RPG resistant version with double armour and weighs about 27 tons instead of 17 tons on the other version.

You don't know what versions Nigeria has, because not all are caged, the lighter armour use cage, the heavier RPG resistant armour does not use cage, and Nigeria is showing both modes on the battlefield, photos posted all over internet.


[size=16pt]SANDF has NO SINGLE Bagder IFV inducted into service, you have 1980s era Ratel IFV as obsolete as a T-55 tank
.
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5 Badgers are allready in service, 16 to be delivered before production begins, 236 to be built in South Africa starting this year
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/denel-patria-building-south-africas-next-ifv-03317/


We have as many badger as you do BTR

agaugust:


Mumu, BTR-4 is state of the art with sophisticated sensors, Tv, and video streaming 360 degrees view without opening turret.

The Badger driver has a window to see the outside and drive, nobody drives armoured vehicles without any windows, the Tv and sensors are for target acquisition, the driver still needs to see through the small Badger window to drive around, the window is there in front of the Bader IFV just so very small like a 30 degree view and gives driver a much less driving view than BTR-4 driver's armoured windows with 180 degree view.

Fools, ya gonna get a badly designed Badger IFV in year 2020.....by then the design will be completely obsolete
.

Show us where it says your BTR has any of that - no 360 veiwfinder, that is for sure

Driver of Badger can see through a periscope - like on a tank - you troglodyte. And you yourself said the BTR windows get covered, so your BTR driver has the same veiw.

Badger starts production this year.

Now, you said BTR is better, give us specifications and citations as to why. We dont care about your opinion. Come, why do you cower? Why are you unable to substantiate your claims?

Too easy.

patches689:

you have fallen into my trap!!

You said it had superior situational awareness due to windows!!

But now you say that the windows are covered in combat!!

Badger has 360 day/night situation awareness... you do not! Your BTR crew will be peering through tiny slits with their naked eyes when in combat, while our crew will have complete awareness of everything around them in all weather conditions in day or night displayed on multiple screens inside the vehical!

BTR is trash. Carries less men, inferior armor, inferior troop carrying, inferior modularity, obsolete electronics, threadbare optics, inferior weapons systems. And you only have 5 of them!

Nobody knows how many BTR-4 Nigeria has, links from Ukraine suggest a whole battalion of about 42 units purchased.

The BTR-4 has modern electronics and is rated one of the world's best today in terms of modernization.

No trap dude, just superior thinking, BTR-4 will use different modes based on threat levels, in RPG zone it will cover the windows, in bullet zone it will use the glass armoured windows especially when in it's own frontline and attacking a distant enemy. Even if windows are open, cage will stop RPG.

What is an RPG to a BTR-4 ? You need to get close as RPG effective range is only about 200m while the BTR-4 has 360 degree target sensors and TV camera that will see the RPG carrier and engage it with 3,000m range gun....how does the 200m RPG man get close enough to fire and BTR-4 will not tear the man into bits and pieces with heavy cannon fire ?

You don't know how real life combat is fought and calculations made
.

agaugust:


Bagder is NOT inducted into SANDF service, show me where your army is using it or stocked in arsenal, show me

You have 2 factory evaluation Badgers for testing only
.

The agreement includes 238 vehicles, out of which 5 pre-series vehicles have already been delivered during the development phase. The first 16 serial vehicles will be assembled by Patria in Finland, Hameenlinna. Thereafter the assembly will be migrated to South Africa to Denel Land Systems.”
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/denel-patria-building-south-africas-next-ifv-03317/

5 are 100% in service, 16 to be delivered shortly, production to commence this year.

Game.
Over.

agaugust:


Bagder is NOT inducted into SANDF service, show me where your army is using it or stocked in arsenal, show me

You have 2 factory evaluation Badgers for testing only
.

Numbers keep increasing, last year it was 1 now its 2.

You're clearly confused

patches689:


- Terminator - not actually an IFV, its an AFV (clown)
- VCBI, why is it better?
- Piranga V, i guess its soo good no one bothered to buy it
- Bradley is tracked and is a cold war relic. And is a different class of IFV
- BTR-4E, you mean the BMP3 with a different engine?
- ZBD-08 is a different class of IFV
- Puma is tracked and is a different class of IFV
- Namer is tracked and is a different class of IFV

You are comparing apples to oranges

Compare the Patria to vehicals in its class and then tell us actually why they are better.

Either way, its of no consequence, we have the best IFV in Africa (if not the world) and you have nothing that compares

First of, the SANDF does not have any patriaa IFV's in actual service.

We've only seen 2 Patria IFV's for evaluation purposes. This cleared.

The Terminator is termed as an IFV. It is currently the world's most advanced IFV. You know, I really do not want to begin 2015 by asking you to seek further psychiatric help.


The VBCI has proved in actual combat that it is a very reliable IFV, it showed it's class in afghanistan and further more in mali. It is clearly an all round better IFV than the patria which you don't actually have.


The Bradley is better, puma and Namer are all better IFV's than the patria. The ZBD-08 is another good one which out-classes the patria.

The BTR-4E better speed,
better maneuverability,
better situational awareness,
better all terrain capability, including off-road capabilities,
Better targeting, a better gun,
It is combat tested and fully amphibious.

On the other hand, The Patria is a sub-par, inferior IFV that smokes like a tank.

agaugust:


Nobody knows how many BTR-4 Nigeria has, links from Ukraine suggest a whole battalion of about 42 units purchased.

The BTR-4 has modern electronics and is rated one of the world's best today in terms of modernization.

No trap dude, just superior thinking, BTR-4 will use different modes based on threat levels, in RPG zone it will cover the windows, in bullet zone it will use the glass armoured windows especially when in it's own frontline and attacking a distant enemy. Even if windows are open, cage will stop RPG.

What is an RPG to a BTR-4 ? You need to get close as RPG effective range is only about 200m while the BTR-4 has 360 degree target sensors and TV camera that will see the RPG carrier and engage it with 3,000m range gun....how does the 200m RPG man get close enough to fire and BTR-4 will not tear the man into bits and pieces with heavy cannon fire ?

You don't know how real life combat is fought and calculations made
.

no - you only have 5 until you can prove you have more.

The BTR-4 has modern electronics and is rated one of the world's best today in terms of modernization.

1. Show us where it says that
2. Tell us what it has: what systems, what electronics, what stabilization.

It has nothing, it is threadbare and barren as an old VW beetle.

Nope. Those windows will be covered in combat - when bullets are flying, you wont have time to hop in and out to keep opening and closing the hatches. Driver does not need situational awareness, he just needs to see infront of him, the commander is the one who needs to know what is going on.

Your gibberish about RPG's is so nonsensical that it isnt even worth a serious response. I ask you two question's: What is cover? What is concealment?

Finally, please, outline these magical 360 degree sensors you have on the BTR. Where are they? What are they? What systems does it have?

Reminder, Badger is:

- better armed
- longer ranged
- superior crew capacity
- better armored
- better optics and systems
- better comms
- better mine protection
- more modern (2006 BTR v 2015 Badger)