MikeCZAR:


Nigeria doesn't have an answer to SA mechanised infantry.

Reminder: The Badger IFV mortar variant is armed with the M6 long range mortar, targets can greeted up to 6km.

BTR-4 has mortar version that targets 7km range, so what?
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patches689:


Because we have 9 C-130's and a minimum of 14 Gripen pilots

Your thinking is flawed

No, you only have 3 Operational C-130's and 9 pilots for your Gripen.

Henry120:


First of, the SANDF does not have any patriaa IFV's in actual service.

We've only seen 2 Patria IFV's for evaluation purposes. This cleared.

The Terminator is termed as an IFV. It is currently the world's most advanced IFV. You know, I really do not want to begin 2015 by asking you to seek further psychiatric help.


The VBCI has proved in actual combat that it is a very reliable IFV, it showed it's class in afghanistan and further more in mali. It is clearly and all round better IFV than the patria which you don't actually have.


The Bradley is better, puma and Namer are all better IFV's than the patria. The ZBD-08 is another good one which out-classes the patria.

The BTR-4E better speed,
better maneuverability,
better situational awareness,
better all terrain capability, including off-road capabilities,
Better targeting, a better gun,
It is combat tested and fully amphibious.

On the other hand, The Patria is a sub-par, inferior IFV that smokes like a tank.

First, we have 5 in service

Second, you are comparing different classes of IFV

Third:

- yes its exactly 8kph faster
- you have yet to prove this
- how does it have better awareness than a vehical with 360 day/night sensors
- prove it.
- You do know that the gun on the badger is the most advanced in the world?
- Patria is combat tested.
- Your amphibious vehical is only protected against 7.62. Our non amphibious vehical is protected againts 30mm AP rounds. Which would you want to be inside when you are being engaged by a boko haram 12.5mm HMG?
- we can drop armor off the patria and make it amphibious in anycase.

No contest. Never was. Never will be.

And on that note, I am off for the night. Enjoy the jealous rage.

agaugust:


BTR-4 has mortar version that targets 7km range, so what?
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[citation needed]

And if you do provide a citation, show us the Nigerian BTR mortar version in service

Henry120:


No, you only have 3 Operational C-130's and 9 pilots for your Gripen.

Sure, whatever you need to tell yourself.

Enjoy being ranked lower than a peacetime nation.

mzilakazi:


Badger is the world champion while BTR lacks behind with an old tech of windscreen.

No European country builds an IFV in year 2008 with old window tech, BTR-4 has sensors, TV, video screen for remote 360 degree view of the environment, windows are for drivers and only when he wants it, he can cover up the armoured glass with armoured steel window covers and use his computerized TV screen to drive or target enemies. You are just a foooooool locked up in soweto cage
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mzilakazi:



Badger has all the tech that patria has and has a better armour. Your BTR has a weak armour because of its amphibious feature.

Badger does NOT have the amphibious tech of the Patria.

BTR-4 has double armour version and it still maintains amphibious capability.

Badger is a dry land only IFV
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charlos14:


So what happens when a lucky hit disables your camera and 360 degree thermal imaging sensors? It is more old tech not to have a backup plan.

Thank you.

Don't even think lucky hit, a sniper can use a 2km range sniper rifle, anti-material rifle, or automatic grenade launcher to destroy that Badger camera as it is too exposed like the horn of a cow hanging on the top of the Badger just like that, sniper snipes it and Bagder goes blind, and no windows to back up visibility.

Bagder IFV is a bad design, I will score a cheap hit, don't even need any luck to sniper burst it's camera balls
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patches689:


clearly not

That map was drawn without proof of validity and before Shekau II was killed by the great Nigerian army.

Today, Boko Haram is shifting to Cameroon as Nigeria gets too hot with T-72 tanks and BTR-4 IFV !

Boko Haram in now leaving Nigeria and attacking dozens of towns and army bases in Cameroon, killing Cameroon's soldiers in dozens !

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/27/world/africa/cameroon-boko-haram-attack/

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/12/29/392242/boko-haram-attacks-cameroon-villages/
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DieVluit:


Simple. Because a military is far more than planes. The only thing flawed about the rankings is that Nigeria is not ranked lower.

The globafirepower rankings is TOTALLY flawed, it ranks Condo DRC above Uganda that has SU-30 MK Flankers, 100 T-90 Tanks, 1000 Anti-tank missiles all latest versions of Russian weapons, Congo DRC needs a whole United Nations to help it secure the country from M23 rebels.

What kinda ranking is that?

South Africans are a nation of 50 million fools that cannot use their blocked brains to challenge a foolish source all because the source is posted on internet and can be quoted by weblink, foolish Southies !
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patches689:


Badger has:

- superior armemant
- superior situational awareness (remember your windows are covered in combat)
- superior armor
- superior range
- superor crew capacity
- superior optics
- superior mine protection
- superior versitility
- and we will have them in superior numbers (236 v 5)

You have yet to prove anything about handling or cross-country performance.

And yes, badger can cross rivers - there are these things called bridges.

You said it is better, show us how.

I need sources to prove the long list of lies you wrote above.

The only truth there is that you confessed Badger is inferior to BTR-4 because Badger needs a heavy and long bridge to cross a river

SANDF has no SINGLE Badger IFV in service today, or can you prove it? Show me a Bagder in SANDF control, I am posting below a BTR-4 in Nigerian army control.

[size=16pt]SANDF has NO SINGLE Badger IFV in service toady, dream until year 2020
.[/size]

patches689:


[citation needed]

And if you do provide a citation, show us the Nigerian BTR mortar version in service

We are comparing version options of Badger, Patria, BTR-4 in general. I didn't say we bought morta version, but yes it exists for sure among BTR-4 options.

Nigeria has at least 30mm cannon BTR-4, South African army has NO SINGLE Badger IFV in army armoury, can you show me one? I just showed you a Nigerian army BTR-4 photo inside our army armoury above, so your SANDF has NO Badger
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patches689:


5 Badgers are allready in service, 16 to be delivered before production begins, 236 to be built in South Africa starting this year
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/denel-patria-building-south-africas-next-ifv-03317/


We have as many badger as you do BTR

Nope, your source proves that SANDF has NO SINGLE Badger in service, and that the project has become a boring dream since year 2005, you keep cancelling date for delivery and now it will be year 2020

#Show Us Badger IFV In SANDF Armoury/Service
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Henry120:


First of, the SANDF does not have any patriaa IFV's in actual service.

We've only seen 2 Patria IFV's for evaluation purposes. This cleared.

The Terminator is termed as an IFV. It is currently the world's most advanced IFV. You know, I really do not want to begin 2015 by asking you to seek further psychiatric help.


The VBCI has proved in actual combat that it is a very reliable IFV, it showed it's class in afghanistan and further more in mali. It is clearly and all round better IFV than the patria which you don't actually have.


The Bradley is better, puma and Namer are all better IFV's than the patria. The ZBD-08 is another good one which out-classes the patria.

The BTR-4E better speed,
better maneuverability,
better situational awareness,
better all terrain capability, including off-road capabilities,
Better targeting, a better gun,
It is combat tested and fully amphibious.

On the other hand, The Patria is a sub-par, inferior IFV that smokes like a tank.

[size=16pt]10/10 post ![/size]
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agaugust:


No European country builds an IFV in year 2008 with old window tech, BTR-4 has sensors, TV, video screen for remote 360 degree view of the environment, windows are for drivers and only when he wants it, he can cover up the armoured glass with armoured steel window covers and use his computerized TV screen to drive or target enemies. You are just a foooooool locked up in soweto cage
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give us specs and details, not some random picture without a citation

agaugust:


Badger does NOT have the amphibious tech of the Patria.

BTR-4 has double armour version and it still maintains amphibious capability.

Badger is a dry land only IFV
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Because we chose armor over amphib

Just like the Americans with the Bradley

agaugust:


Thank you.

Don't even think lucky hit, a sniper can use a rifle to destroy that Badger camera as it is too exposed like the horn of a cow hanging on the top of the Badger just like that, sniper snipes it and Bagder goes blind, and no windows to back up visibility.

Bagder IFV is a bad design, I will score a cheap hit, don't even need any luck to sniper burst it's camera balls
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it has other sights and traditional periscopes, numbnuts

the veiwfinder is also armoured

agaugust:


That map was drawn without proof of validity and before Shekau II was killed by the great Nigerian army.

Today, Boko Haram is shifting to Cameroon as Nigeria gets too hot with T-72 tanks and BTR-4 IFV !

Boko Haram in now leaving Nigeria and attacking dozens of towns and army bases in Cameroon, killing Cameroon's soldiers in dozens !

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/27/world/africa/cameroon-boko-haram-attack/

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/12/29/392242/boko-haram-attacks-cameroon-villages/
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because after establishing such a firm base in Nigeria they are expanding their borders

patches689:


no - you only have 5 until you can prove you have more.

The BTR-4 has modern electronics and is rated one of the world's best today in terms of modernization.

1. Show us where it says that
2. Tell us what it has: what systems, what electronics, what stabilization.

It has nothing, it is threadbare and barren as an old VW beetle.

Nope. Those windows will be covered in combat - when bullets are flying, you wont have time to hop in and out to keep opening and closing the hatches. Driver does not need situational awareness, he just needs to see infront of him, the commander is the one who needs to know what is going on.

Your gibberish about RPG's is so nonsensical that it isnt even worth a serious response. I ask you two question's: What is cover? What is concealment?

Finally, please, outline these magical 360 degree sensors you have on the BTR. Where are they? What are they? What systems does it have?

Reminder, Badger is:

- better armed
- longer ranged
- superior crew capacity
- better armored
- better optics and systems
- better comms
- better mine protection
- more modern (2006 BTR v 2015 Badger)

The BTR-4 specs and interior technology has been posted here twice, I will repeat it the third time, all details and graphic images in the video below, Butt Hurt Southie....cry with envy

#SANDF has NO SINGLE Badger IFV in service until year 2020



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-UurX9Tzls


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agaugust:


I need sources to prove the long list of lies you wrote above.

The only truth there is that you confessed Badger is inferior to BTR-4 because Badger needs a heavy and long bridge to cross a river

SANDF has no SINGLE Badger IFV in service today, or can you prove it? Show me a Bagder in SANDF control, I am posting below a BTR-4 in Nigerian army control.

[size=16pt]SANDF has NO SINGLE Badger IFV in service toady, dream until year 2020
.[/size]

Who said that amphibious ability is the main criterion for an IFV?

If anything, not being killed by an 12.5HMG is more important

And I have allready posted a Source saying that we have 5 in service

patches689:


because after establishing such a firm base in Nigeria they are expanding their borders

Firm base? LOL, when Nigerian T-72 has been eating up all their T-55 and shilka AAA....Boko Haram is running away to Cameroon, and the Cameroonians have just realized it now...

[size=13pt]http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/01/cameroon-recruits-20000-fight-boko-haram/
.[/size]

agaugust:


The BTR-4 specs and interior technology has been posted here twice, I will repeat it the third time, all details and graphic images in the video below, Butt Hurt Southie....cry with envy

#SANDF has NO SINGLE Badger IFV in service until year 2020



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-UurX9Tzls


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Production starts this year - fact, proven with citations
5 are in service, 16 on the way - fact, proven with citations

You have yet to provide any evidence to show that the BTR is in any way superior.

Badger is:

- better armoured
- better armed
- better optics/electronics
- mine protected
- carrys more men
- has a longer range
- more adaptable and versatile
- has a better combat record
- amphibious

agaugust:


Firm base? LOL, when Nigerian T-72 has been eating up all their T-55 and shilka AAA....Boko Haram is running away to Cameroon, and the Cameroonians have just realized it now...

[size=13pt]http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/01/cameroon-recruits-20000-fight-boko-haram/
.[/size]

So why then have you only been able to recapture one town?

patches689:


Production starts this year - fact, proven with citations
5 are in service, 16 on the way - fact, proven with citations

You have yet to provide any evidence to show that the BTR is in any way superior.

Badger is:

- better armoured
- better armed
- better optics/electronics
- mine protected
- carrys more men
- has a longer range
- more adaptable and versatile
- has a better combat record
- amphibious

[size=16pt]#Show Us SANDF Badger IFV In Army Armoury....Like This Nigerian BTR-4 In Armoury....[/size]

patches689:


So why then have you only been able to recapture one town?

Avoiding civilian casualties causes delay, towns that have Boko inflitration are under our Recce and all surrounded.

Nigerians can drive in T-72 tanks and Boko cannot stop us, but we are planning civilian casualty minimization. Nothing can stop our T-72, proved ! We will go in and kill every Boko insect when we decide it's best time.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/12/army-explains-delay-recapturing-towns-seized-boko-haram/

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agaugust:


[size=16pt]#Show Us SANDF Badger IFV In Army Armoury....Like This Nigerian BTR-4 In Armoury....[/size]

citations have been posted

agaugust:


Avoiding civilian casualties causes delay, towns that have Boko inflitration are under our Recce and all surrounded.

Nigerians can drive in T-72 tanks and Boko cannot stop us, but we are planning civilian casualty minimization. Nothing can stop our T-72, proved ! We will go in and kill every Boko insect when we decide it's best time.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/12/army-explains-delay-recapturing-towns-seized-boko-haram/

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empty chest thumping impresses no-one

patches689:


citations have been posted....

.....of 2 units factory prototypes. You admit SANDF armoury has ZERO Badger IFV in service. Thanks bro...I like the way you surrender in style!
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patches689:


Because we chose armor over amphib

Just like the Americans with the Bradley

America has current amphibious IFV in service, and they are fast developing more with very advanced tech to match Russian amphibious IFV. Stop comparing America and South Africa, they are far far very very far above your low class.

What Badger armour? It has protection only against small arms fire, RPG will tear Badger IFV into pieces when your dream probably comes through and you buy it in year 2020.

By that year the Badger design is already outdated....15 years long waiting period will kill it's technical relevance in 2020

SANDF is cash broke !!!!
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patches689:


First off, lucky hit - which means unlikely hit

Second, there are back up systems, including traditional fixed periscopes.

Third, what will you do when enemy bullets (or an RPG) flys through the HUGE FREAKING WINDOWS on your BTR and tares up everyone in the crew compartment. Hell, even the Ratel has armored covers which are placed over the windows in combat (trap set)

Either way, its superior to the BTR

Fixed periscope implies stationary, it doesn't rotate.
Would it be operated manually as they might not be enough space for the operator to move about therefore rendering your 360 degree situational awareness useless unless some old chap is cranking trying to find the target.

Badger has no backup systems until further prove is shown.

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