xwolverine:


First. You don't use it because you are stuck with Rooivalk

Second. Picture this:

11 Rooivalk vs 22 Hinds.

The hinds would be using your pilots as target practice, meanwhile no Grippen pilots to help out(They are still in training, should be ready in 20 years time). The available pilots have no experience of real wars.

Third. Higher budget doesn't mean better capability, $40million for Rooivalk? Are your frigging kidding me!!!
When I can get:
- A faster Hind for $12 million
- A JF-17 Thunder $20 million
and still have $8 million for armaments.

Please don't make me laugh.

mzilakazi:
Experience does not count for everything, you might have it yet still being chased around by a well equipped bandits with a sophisticated weapons as in the case with Nigerian forces and BH. As a results it forced the president of Nigeria to make a loan f $1 billion in order to equip his dying Army.
Nigeria with their well experienced soldiers lost many Police Stations, Army barracks and Schools right before their noses.
Experience does not count without better equipment

agaugust:




Show proof from South Africa of NAF to prove your above claims....We don't entertain guess work or hear say !
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EVarn:
do you mean to say that the gallant NA is being defeated by "well equipped bandits with sophisticated weapons"?.why,m'boy,one does shiver at the thought of such silky lies.experience gives more skills and knowledge,contrary to your ill-concieved doctrines.and let me assuage your misguided belief that "experience doesnt count for everything",experience does count,infact,experience is what channels the innate ability that has been propagated through intense trainning.

GreenandGold:


Nigerian Air Force has never shot down a combat air craft in its history

mzilakazi:


Seven years back is just recent and does not equate to the last 20 years that passed and neither does it equate to 66 years.

mzilakazi:



Yep, because Rooivalk is stealth and hind is not. Rooivalk will notice your hind long before your hind can ever notice Rooivalk was there and by then, Boooooom!!! there goes Hind in a ball of fire.

mzilakazi:



Yep, because Rooivalk is stealth and hind is not. Rooivalk will notice your hind long before your hind can ever notice Rooivalk was there and by then, Boooooom!!! there goes Hind in a ball of fire.

agaugust:


Yes in the recent 7 years, NAF Beechcraft ER, Diamond DA42, ATR-42 Surveyor....many....enough to make South Africa cry
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agaugust:


South African air force Gripen jet pilots have never shot down a combat aircraft in their history, your current pilots have ZERO combat experience including the Hawk jets
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mzilakazi:


That's untrue. The only most technologically advanced force under FIB is undoubtedly SANDF. Fact!!

xwolverine:



Was it done for free? NO
Can SANDF/SAAF afford a similar upgrade? NO

If Nigeria with approximately 22 Mi-35P (Plus 40 more ordered), upgrades its fleet because it can, how does it change the fact that SANDF/SAAF is broke and can't afford the same, coupled with the fact that the Rooivalk project is stalled.

Its just like me buying a Lamborghini and my neighbour who helped in fixing in some custom rims (which I paid for) sounding excited, what should the manufacturers do?

So whats your point exactly?

GreenandGold:


You're throwing words around in a panic attack....

- First, 11 Rooivalks are better than all your Hinds, they're ultramodern with ultramodern avionics.

- They can be fitted with fire-and-forget Makopas

- We don't care about the costs, 7Billion Rands ($700mil) was pumped into the program because we could and because we could afford doing so.

Centrifude:


Go to Beegeagle, it states that it was Modified by a South African Firm, I keep telling on people that you can't read.

Which other country in the world produces that kind of design?

agaugust:


South African air force Gripen jet pilots have never shot down a combat aircraft in their history, your current pilots have ZERO combat experience including the Hawk jets
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agaugust:


Beegeagle said, 'reported by some people' . He did not say it is a confirmed source, NO source to prove it so sharaaaap !
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agaugust:


Beegeagle said, 'reported by some people' . He did not say it is a confirmed source, NO source to prove it so sharaaaap !
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Centrifude:


No no no these are custom rims that came from your neighbour and were fitted by him, you didn't help. And those upgrades aren't accessories they are actually going to make the product perform better then before.

Lol the Apache is a Lamborghini and the fact that your Mi-35 needed and upgrade means it was nothing more than just an old school VW beetle.

xwolverine:


And the hinds would stay idle while the Rooivalk shoots them out of the sky?


I thought you would put forward an intelligent argument, but i'm appalled at your assumptions.

Let me simplify it for you to understand that tactical warfare is not a game of one-sided assumptions. The Hinds are war tested and they have proven beyond reasonable doubt their capability. The Rooivalk on the other hand has only been used in a lopsided war against a ragtag rebel group, where the enemy doesn't have any capable aerial threat. Before a conflict between Nigeria and SA escalates to using the Helos, our fighter jets would have been scrambled to take out your non-existing tourist attraction Grippens and Rooivalks, while the Hinds would only come in for mop-up operations.

You are basing your assumptions on flawed premises like you are privy to the specifications of the Nigerian hinds. Just so you know, the hinds are not civilian hellos, and would know when there's a missile lock on it, with a capable counter measure in place.

You should be comparing the Hinds with the Apache's not an experimental Rooivalk only being operated by SA. You should be more worried about getting the parts for your 11 Rooivalks.

xwolverine:


No sir, i did help to keep his company running. Ever wondered why ATE which owns the upgrade tech was acquired by Paramount Advanced Technologies? The company needs customers like me to keep afloat seeing that the SAAF are not smart enough to spend with sense.

If the Rooivalk project got an international customer, the project would still be running by now, and we wouldn't be talking about shutting down development.

Centrifude:


Who else provides such upgrades in this entire planet?

xwolverine:


No sir, i did help to keep his company running. Ever wondered why ATE which owns the upgrade tech was acquired by Paramount Advanced Technologies? The company needs customers like me to keep afloat seeing that the SAAF are not smart enough to spend with sense.

If the Rooivalk project got an international customer, the project would still be running by now, and we wouldn't be talking about shutting down development.

agaugust:


Beegeagle said, 'reported by some people' . He did not say it is a confirmed source, NO source to prove it so sharaaaap !
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mzilakazi:


That's what American war experts also say, that BH is either equal in strength or if not more powerful than Nigerian military.

mzilakazi:


There's only one company that can do that and is found in SA dummy.

agaugust:


Does Boko Haram have T-72 tanks and Mi-35 Hind helicopters ?

American white men say it, so your brain is not free to evaluate or challenge it because your white master said it ?

I can now see why the white men ruled you South Africans till modern day 1994 when the rest of Africa was already free and independent.

Boer white master saw a nation of brainless creatures and cheated them till 1994 when even small Rwanda nation was free and independent.

Shame !
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Centrifude:


Wait so you're telling me that you helped with installing the upgrades by adding money a few cents into their bank account?

You said you would be helping your Neighbour install the ish.

Lol You do realise that there's a huge difference between helping someone install something and just paying them to do it.

agaugust:


Official source please....prove it....company name on contract report evidence please...
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mzilakazi:


If you don't know that then you are more fool than I thought. By the way, we upgraded your MI35 just to help those who are mentally handicapped.

xwolverine:


I'm not helping with the menial Jobs when I've got the money, I pay you to serve my desires of-course, I've got other things to focus on like the 2 squadrons of JF-17 deliveries. Without my money, you would have a backlog of inventories which SAAF doesn't use, how else would you meet the demands of running your business? You should actually be grateful for my patronage because you need it.

On a more serious note, you guys should give credit to the private company for their ingenuity which achieved this, without any government input. i won't be surprised if this idea was pitched to the pot bellied generals of SANDF before throwing money down the drain on the Senseless Rooivalk scam.

The real heroes are the technicians at this company, they have my respect.

xwolverine:


who are the WE. SAAF or a private company making its livelihood?

mzilakazi:


Yes, a real respect for South Africans and remember that they are your heroes as well, as confirmed by your own mouth.