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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 9:21pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
xwolverine: Yes, they are bonafide South Africans |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by xwolverine: 9:23pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
mzilakazi: This discussion is degenerating into a huge joke which negates the importance of educating you on the specifics of the Hind project. As a matter of principle, don't make assumptions without facts to back it up, it doesn't augur well with the level of intelligence expected of an adult on a public fora like Nairaland. Making conjectures and stating half-truths thereby turning an intelligent discuss into joystick measurement competition brings this thread into disrepute. I will only reply to your comments when you start backing up your assumptions with facts. Now I understand why Oga Henry120 doesn't like educating you guys, its tiring and you sometimes wonder if you are speaking with an adult. Oga Henry120 I doff my hat bruv, its not an easy task. 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 9:31pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
xwolverine: Tell me does it hurt you when South Africans have made upgrade on your MI-35s? We have done it to many nations before you. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by xwolverine: 9:41pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
mzilakazi: Hurt? you don't get it do you? Unlike you, I am not emotional about this, because at the end of the day, my Hinds are the one being upgraded, while you are stuck with 11 Rooivalks. The money paid doesn't go to SANDF, but to the private pockets of Ivor Ichikowitz, at the end of the day the helos are still mine. Like I said earlier, you should focus on raising funds for the broke SANDF and the SAAF with toddler pilots. And while at it, hold your generals responsible for throwing $700 million down the drain for 11 helos. 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 9:44pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
xwolverine: Fact!! remains, SA has made upgrades on NAF MI-35 and that hurts @agaugust big time. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 11:44pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
mzilakazi:can you truly swear by zuma's shrivelled c0ck that "american experts" declared the NA incompetent?.how can BH be remotely equal to the NA?,BH may be trained,but they certainly do not possess the level of sophistication that the NA squanders like warm mead in a pub.the russians soldiers,in all their might,were totted out of afghanistan with the tip of their ears by "sophisticated bandits". |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:47pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
mzilakazi: Nope, it's Russians working on South African soil....that's if at all NAF used SA, because Brazil has same upgrade factory too from Russia mzilakazi: The Mi-35 Hind helicopter upgrade industry in South Africa is technically set up, supplied and controlled by Mil Company of Russia. The facility is Russian technology and manpower shipped and set up on South African soil. Another interested country can apply to Russia and get the facility established on their home soil as foreign Mil company branch. Brazil has the same Russian helicopter upgrade facility in city of Juan Veloso http://rostec.ru/en/news/4514251 Why don't South Africa integrate Umbani guided bomb on Gripen jet? Sweden refused to give you technical help for Umbani bomb. Russia gave you it's staff and equipment to do Hind upgrades, you did not ingeniously create the Mi-35 upgrade capability on your own. DENEL does same with a Russian company. "Russian Helicopters Holding Company and South Africa’s Denel Aviation have established an authorized maintenance, repairs and overhaul (MRO) service center for Russian-made civil helicopters. Unveiling the MRO Service Center was timed to coincide with the BRICS summit in South Africa that brings together heads of state of the largest emerging economies in the world - Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. Senior management of Russian Helicopters Holding Company and Denel Aviation top executives attended the opening ceremony, along with heads of operator companies and prospective new buyers of Russian rotary-wing aircraft. Russian Helicopters supplied all the equipment required for setting up the new maintenance and service center. In addition, the Russian holding company prepared full documentation and organized training for Denel Aviation employees. South African repair and maintenance technicians received training at the Novosibirsk Aircraft Repair Plant." http://rostec.ru/en/news/1412 ATE too is a Russian branch in South Africa using a different name than Mil to work on Hind helicopters. http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/south-african-and-russian-companies-in-helicopter-collaboration-2006-10-06 Southie glory thieves, international criminals, you have come again, this time na Russian glory you wan collect, if Putin catch you... PHOTO : RUSSIAN EXPERTS TRANSFER HELICOPTER UPGRADE TECH AND TRAINING TO SOUTH AFRICAN BRANCH . 3 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 11:53pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
mzilakazi:it is indeed shocking how the heat of the khalahari warps the common bantu mind.tell me,my esteemed friend,how does a private FOREIGN defence company{operating in SA},carrying out the mundane duty of upgrading nigeria's new MI35,translates into the whole of SA helping us make upgrades to the helo? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:56pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
EVarn: It's a Russian helicopter branch in South Africa, Brazil has the same thing....http://rostec.ru/en/news/4514251 . 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:03am On Jan 04, 2015 |
Centrifude: Brazil http://rostec.ru/en/news/4514251 . 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:05am On Jan 04, 2015 |
GreenandGold: ....says what it knows, and quotes what other say they know from their own source that is not his, he differentiates . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 12:06am On Jan 04, 2015 |
agaugust:these zulu barbarian savages would have claimed that they colonized america if they could.imagine,stealing the hard-work of honest russian folks!,embarrassing indeed. 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:12am On Jan 04, 2015 |
mzilakazi: You said BH is more powerful, is it a boxing match of muscles? Military power is weapons. Fool |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:35am On Jan 04, 2015 |
xwolverine: You haven't yet patches, then, you would know it is not an easy task. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Centrifude(m): 12:42am On Jan 04, 2015 |
agaugust: Dude I'm talking about that Specific design which is normally associated with the Super-Hinds, its common knowledge that Brazil also offers Hind upgrades, show me a pic of a Brazil Modification that looks exactly or similar to the Super-Hind and I won't push this argument any further. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:45am On Jan 04, 2015 |
xwolverine: You keep punching these South-Africans below the belt. "Experimental Rooivalk"...... classic!! half-french helicopter. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:50am On Jan 04, 2015 |
xwolverine: Actually, they only got 10. 10 sub-par helicopters for a county with an area of over 1.2 million kilometers. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:53am On Jan 04, 2015 |
xwolverine: 13 failed bids. It says a lot about what people really think of the helicopter. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Centrifude(m): 1:12am On Jan 04, 2015 |
@agaugust "The agreement provides for the integration of ATE (and other) avionics in a wide range of Russian civil helicopter designs" "The ATE avionics packages would be available for integration on newly-built helicopters or as moder-nisation and upgrade packages for older examples of these models." This means that South African Technology (Avionics) will be integrated into Russian Models, the Upgrade Packages are still of South African Origin, it doesn't say anything about A.T.E belonging to Russia. Russia provides the Aircraft or Airframes and we upgrade them with our kit. It is a collaboration, when you have such a collaboration you will need technology transfer, because South African tech is basically Western Technology and we need to understand Russian technology to incorporate our tech, that's why A.T.E tech is considered as the combination of western and eastern technology "ATE has also developed a composite rotor blade for the Mi-24, to replace its original metal blades. This new composite blade has been entirely designed and developed in South Africa." Thank you for sharing that A.T.E has developed their very own indigenous Rotor Blades #Where does it say A.T.E belongs to Russia and the A.T.E Ugrade kit is from Russia Learn to read and understand!!! 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Centrifude(m): 1:18am On Jan 04, 2015 |
No one denys the fact that products are of Russian origin, and that for someone to do any kind of upgrades on other peoples products they first need to be trained by the creators, but that deal was sign in 2006 which means its already been 8years now S.A doesn't need Russia to help them or train them, we can do it on our own now.
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 4:22am On Jan 04, 2015 |
agaugust: sources have been posted 5 are in service 16 more on the way 236 to begin being built this year |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 4:23am On Jan 04, 2015 |
agaugust: You said our badger is not amphibious This means it has been up-armored Thus it is resistant to 30mm AP You made these assertions, not me. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 4:23am On Jan 04, 2015 |
agaugust: More Nigerians have never seen electricity than there are South Africans |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 4:25am On Jan 04, 2015 |
agaugust: Nope We have talked about this before Missiles are coming head-on, so speed is useless You have never proven what rockets you have - so until you do, your F-7's will have to come into CRAM range and get eaten by AHEAD ammo |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 4:28am On Jan 04, 2015 |
agaugust: Augustus That is the USMC Their job is amphibious assault Obviously their vehicals will be amphibious The US Army (you know, the biggest of their armed services) is phasing out their amphibious vehicals And in anycase, the USMC are considering the Patria for the same program http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/patrias-amv-for-usmcs-mpc-04062/ And no, you have yet to post how the BTR is better than the Badger. We want stats, analysis, details. Why cant you tell us how it is better? Why are you unable to perform this simple task? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 4:33am On Jan 04, 2015 |
agaugust: Badger also has a periscope as a backup system for the commander. And you have yet to provide a source for this 360 degree camera Badger driver can place his mantle in 3 positions, completely open, open and with a BP window, or "buttoned-down" where he uses a perisocope (pictures 1, 2 and 3) So, badger has all the things the BTR has, as well as an added 360 degree veiwfinder with 3rd gen night vision
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 4:33am On Jan 04, 2015 |
mzilakazi: Over 50 million Nigerians have no electricity #HardFacts |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 4:36am On Jan 04, 2015 |
agaugust: First, this is a ridiculous notion about "snipers" hitting a moving target, while under fire. Further, you have yet to prove that a snipers round will knock it out Second, your BTR has not 360 degree veiwfinder Third your BTR is a 2006 design, the Badger is a 2012 design You say the BTR is better, yet as usual you cannot tell us why. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 4:37am On Jan 04, 2015 |
agaugust: Valour Class is fine for maritime patrol, we just need more vessels that are cheaper to run South Africa has 3X the money Nigeria does (more now since the oil price bottomed out) we can buy things you can only dream of - proven by the fact that tenders for 6 OPV's have been released. Cry more delicious Nigerian tears. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 4:39am On Jan 04, 2015 |
agaugust: Amphibious Patria is only protected against small arms - because they need to keep it light You say ours is not amphibious - this means heavyer armor is used. Thus, ours is using the same heavy armor that protects against 30mm AP rounds. You have a choice, is ours Amphibious and have the same protection as the BTR? OR Is ours not amphibious and have heavy armor protection against 30mm? Choice is yours. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 4:41am On Jan 04, 2015 |
agaugust: First - read what you just said. "We dont need mine/IED protection because only rebels use them" Do I need to remind you that you are currently at war with an islamist rebel group? According to your own argument our Badger is protected against 30mm AP No, your BTR has zero IED protection. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 4:41am On Jan 04, 2015 |
agaugust: Sources have been posted 5 in service 16 more on the way 236 to begin production this year |
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