Alwaystrue:
Happy New Year guys.
@OP, ah I saw my name and thought to comment though it has been done justice to already. @Bidam, @Candour @Ayoku's comments seem to cover it all.



I think I particularly like @Ayoku's comment here and more or less sums it all up.
I believe unbelief starts when we start overlooking and 'It doesn't mean'-ing what Jesus says or how He acts in the belief that whatever we do we are covered since we have righteosness in us.
As was said, sinning as falling and rising is different from falling and wallowing and even becoming indifferent about it.

Happy New year Alwaystrue. Hope you're good. You've been AWOL and MIA on NL. How's family?

God bless you.

vooks:
For every scripture word you quote, you throw in ten presumptuous/junk sentences and am having a hard time separating your garbage from scriptures. That's why am focused on this particular statement

Who told you after rapture people will be saved by works and not grace? Will we have anything other than eternity after rapture?
You have invented three types of Christians; pre-resurrection, post-resurrection-pre-rapture and post-resurrection-post-rapture and for each of these, you have crafted DIFFERENT means of attaining salvation.

Jesus BEFORE his resurrection gave power to cast out demons and perform miracles to very FEW numbering 72. You are saying the MANY mentioned are some of these who somewhat failed to attain eternity despite invoking the name of Jesus. For this to happen, they must have died BEFORE Jesus resurrected. Clearly it is utterly illogical to claim that this verse was addressing the backslidden pre-resurrection miracle workers who died BEFORE resurrection, who needed 'works' for their salvation

At the back of your head you can see this and this is why you INVENT another group I called post-rerurrection-post-rapture who are saved by something else other than grace but by works. Apparently according to Apostle Shdemidemi, salvation by grace and faith has an expiry date but the power in the name of Jesus to cast out demons and heal survives rapture into an age where we have faith and works formula of salvation

The group Jesus is addressing fall into this group but they MUST NEVER fall into the present post-resurrection-post-pre-rapture age where faith in Christ secures you eternity regardless of whatever you become or do after having this faith

I could ask you to prove from scriptures the expiry of salvation by faith and the rebirth of salvation by works but am sure you can't, you will just ramble about. Please revere the Word of God above your garbage

It will do you a whole lot of good if you attack the issues and not the person as you discuss. If you think anything was added to scripture, it is noble to ask if and how scripture support such additions.

So what happens when this 'sinful nature' goes ahead and sins? Does the man lose his salvation on account of succumbing to its whims?

shdemidemi:


When the bible says we cannot sin as christians, I think it is vital for us to understand what that means. Every true Christian have a dual personality or two natures- A righteousness nature and a sinful nature.

The righteousness nature is the actual person but covered in a sinful body. The righteousness nature is also known as the new man, birthed at regeneration. He cannot sin, He is Holy, He is not visible, He cannot die but can be left dormant if not nourished by the Word of God. Only Christians have this nature- (not because they worked for it but because they believe the gospel)

The visible man is the carrier/conveyor of the sinful nature. He sins, he is in constant enmity with God, He is depraved, He will eventually die, He is not Holy.

Paul used these two personalities interchangeably in Romans 7

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 'me' is the real man/inward man here

22 For I delight in the law of God after the [size=22pt]inward man[/size]:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

ayoku777:

Happy New year Alwaystrue. Hope you're good. You've been AWOL and MIA on NL. How's family?
God bless you.

Hey @Ayoku,
I am good. I have been on NL o just do not dabble much in topics that have over-discussed anymore. But I actually post from time to time publishing messages that inspire. Family is great too. Amen. Hope you are well and your family is also doing fine.
Thanks for the note.

Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Who are these people who invoked the name of Jesus successfully and are now cast into hell? Were they justified at some point

cc italo, BabaGnoni

shdemidemi:


It will do you a whole lot of good if you attack the issues and not the person as you discuss. If you think anything was added to scripture, it is noble to ask if and how scripture support such additions.

vooks:
So what happens when this 'sinful nature' goes ahead and sins? Does the man lose his salvation on account of succumbing to its whims?

These are two independent natures- The Flesh(Adam) and the spirit(Jesus).

It is only natural for the flesh, propelled by the sinful nature to do what the flesh does- crave for everything that is against God or godliness(Sin).

The spirit on the other hand is a down payment, an assurance that we are saved, the spirit is justified, He cannot sin,leave nor die. Having this spirit does not make you less natural/sinful in the flesh. However, this spirit, if nourished with the Word of God subdue the demands of the flesh and keeps it in control(sanctified).

The presence of the 'new man' is what guarantees our salvation.

Apostle Paul ended chapter 7 with this consolation-

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind(the inner man) I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

NB 'Law' here means a corresponding and imperative reaction based on an initial action- e.g Law of gravity

In short, no amount of sin can take a justified Christian to hell,right?

shdemidemi:


These are two independent natures- The Flesh(Adam) and the spirit(Jesus).

It is only natural for the flesh, propelled by the sinful nature to do what the flesh does- crave for everything that is against God or godliness(Sin).

The spirit on the other hand is a down payment, an assurance that we are saved, the spirit is justified, He cannot sin,leave nor die. Having this spirit does not make you less natural/sinful in the flesh. However, this spirit, if nourished with the Word of God subdue the demands of the flesh and keeps it in control(sanctified).

The presence of the 'new man' is what guarantees our salvation.

Apostle Paul ended chapter 7 with this consolation-

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind(the inner man) I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

NB 'Law' here means a corresponding and imperative reaction based on an initial action- e.g Law of gravity

vooks:
In short, no amount of sin can take a justified Christian to hell,right?

That is how big the price paid for sin is, heaven gave its very best.... the demand of sin was entirely paid for.

The wage of sin is death. Sin was fully paid for by the death of the purest and greatest of all.

shdemidemi:

1 Thess 3

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


The above event is what I call 'rapture', I see nothing controversial in it. I did not mention it just for the sake of it, I did because a question demanded an answer that relates with the end of the church(Grace oriented) as we have it today.

I didn't want to say this before but you understanding of rapture is wrong.
Don't ask me to explain because I won't explain but I want you to know that your pre-rapture doctrine is wrong.

shdemidemi:

1 Thess 3

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


The above event is what I call 'rapture', I see nothing controversial in it. I did not mention it just for the sake of it, I did because a question demanded an answer that relates with the end of the church(Grace oriented) as we have it today.

I didn't want to say this before but you understanding of rapture is wrong.
Don't ask me to explain because I won't explain but I want you to know that your pre-rapture doctrine is wrong.
And that is want is causing you to misunderstand somethings in the Bible.

^^

Not even apostasy,right?
You can even worship devils and your mansion is still reserved,am I wrong?

shdemidemi:


That is how big the price paid for sin is, heaven gave its very best.... the demand of sin was entirely paid for.

shdemidemi:


That is how big the price paid for sin is, heaven gave its very best.... the demand of sin was entirely paid for.

Please explain these verses.
"26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The LORD will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Heb 10:26-31).

"If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death." (1John 5:16-17)

"4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame." (Heb 6:4-6).

Don't go to the extreme but always come to a balance of things.

vooks:
Not even apostasy,right?
You can even worship devils and your mansion is still reserved,am I wrong?

Very convenient to tell you it shouldn't be so, but is it within my God given privilege to advice God? Never!
Romans 5
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.



It’s very possible to be a backslider as a believer, and never lose your salvation. But on the other hand, for people who were never really saved, it’s not hard for them to turn their back on revealed truth and become an apostate.

ayoku777:




No this is also wrong. This is the opposite extreme of the doctrine. We have extreme legalism and extreme liberalism. This is extreme liberalism.

One, a christian can sin.

1John 5v16 -If any man SEE HIS BROTHER SIN A SIN which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life....

1Cor 5v1 -It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the heathen, that one should have his father's wife.

And two; God's eyes are not close to the sins and carnalities of His children, believers in Christ Jesus.

Jesus saw and rebuked sternly the sins of the seven churches in Revelation.

Rev 2v5 -Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and I will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

He saw their sins, rebuked them for it, and demanded repentance. And promised chastisements if they don't repent.

Jesus repeated this with about 5 of the 7 churches.

We should not assume he doesn't see our fornication, malice, lies and greed etc. They grieve His Holy Spirit in us.

Rev 2v14-16 -But I have a few things against thee, because there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols and to commit fornication.

So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and I will fight against thee with the sword of my mouth.

See? Jesus sees our sins, our carnalities and our false doctrines. He hates them and he rebukes them. He demands repentance for them; and he chastises refusal to repent of them.

thanks!
but we were not talking about repentance, we were talking about justification.
repentance is good, but justification and repentance are two different thing.
justification to eternal life is through grace. it is a spiritual gift.
but repentance is physical, it has to do with keeping the law, the law is physical,it is good. that is why God will rebuke us when we commit sin, cos, if we don't repent, we will have the consequence of our action here on this physical earth like anyone else, God is not bias.
But in the spirit where our justification lies in the spirit we are saved in his kingdom whether we repent here on earth and suffer the consequence or our action, or not.
ofcourse, you know everybody on earth commit sin so everybody suffer on earth, depending on the level of your sin.
look at it this way,God is a spirit, if God chooses not too see your sin or the sin of other believers with his spiritual eyes in order that you have eternal life (not in order that you bypass the consequence of your sin here on earth ), you can't force him to do so simply because you are a legal extremist on this physical earth
what is spirit is spirit, and what is physical (carnal ) is physical.
you have to know that truth and be happy, because no man is above comiting sin

Suffering on earth is not necessarily a function of sin, else you need to mean that those who suffer most are more sinners and those who suffer the least are less sinners.

Secondly, if consequences of sin are entirely earthly, one may argue that hell is an overkill for sinners who suffer for their sins completely here on earth and then proceed to hell

paxonel:

thanks!
but we were not talking about repentance, we were talking about justification.
repentance is good, but justification and repentance are two different thing.
justification to eternal life is through grace. it is a spiritual gift.
but repentance is physical, it has to do with keeping the law, the law is physical,it is good. that is why God will rebuke us when we commit sin, cos, if we don't repent, we will have the consequence of our action here on this physical earth like anyone else, God is not bias.
But in the spirit where our justification lies in the spirit we are saved in his kingdom whether we repent here on earth and suffer the consequence or our action, or not.
ofcourse, you know everybody on earth commit sin so everybody suffer on earth, depending on the level of your sin.
look at it this way,God is a spirit, if God chooses not too see your sin or the sin of other believers with his spiritual eyes in order that you have eternal life (not in order that you bypass the consequence of your sin here on earth ), you can't force him to do so simply because you are a legal extremist on this physical earth
what is spirit is spirit, and what is physical (carnal ) is physical.
you have to know that truth and be happy, because no man is above comiting sin

Hiswordxray:

Please explain these verses.
"26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The LORD will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Heb 10:26-31).

"4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame." (Heb 6:4-6).

In order to understand these verses we must understand the full picture, trust me that will be long. The book of Hebrews was written primarily to the Jews. What exactly is their belief system? It is Judaism. Judaism is based on temple worship, sacrifices, and Feasts. These people have been practising this religion for at least 1400 years before the birth of Jesus.

These people find it difficult to accept the gospel of Grace, they dabble into it but they don't accept it completely. If you’re going to turn around and walk away from what has been revealed to you by the grace of God and you’re going to go back or mix Judaism with all of its Temple worship and sacrifices, then, you’re out of it. God is no longer dealing with people on the basis of the animal sacrifices because He was the complete, perfect sacrifice.

Nothing in the book of Hebrews says a Christian will lose his salvation. We can create a thread to deal with the book of Hebrew word for word if you desire.

shdemidemi,
are you 'really saved'?
How do you know those who are 'not really saved'?

shdemidemi:


Very convenient to tell you it shouldn't be so, but is it within my God given privilege to advice God? Never!
Romans 5
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.



It’s very possible to be a backslider as a believer, and never lose your salvation. But on the other hand, for people who were never really saved, it’s not hard for them to turn their back on revealed truth and become an apostate.

Then please explain to me this plain verse

2 Peter 2:20-21 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

vooks:
shdemidemi,
are you 'really saved'?

Yes... The faithful book says I should reckon myself as saved and I believe it with every fibre of my being.

vooks:
How do you know those who are 'not really saved'?

Only God knows. I can only share the gospel that leads to salvation.

vooks:

Then please explain to me this plain verse

2 Peter 2:20-21 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

WORKS- This isn't a doctrine of GRACE which is a free gift of salvation to all (male,female,old, young, good, bad) that believe. It is actually that of works, whereby you are judged by what you do.

You will not find a statement like this in the epistles of Paul, who happens to be the minister appointed to the church(primarily Gentile).

This discussion is too big for me .... Anyway, the truth is, I don't do religion anymore.... I hope the grace masters e.g Goshen put you through ..... Oh Sukkot where art thou?

shdemidemi:


In order to understand these verses we must understand the full picture, trust me that will be long. The book of Hebrews was written primarily to the Jews. What exactly is their belief system? It is Judaism. Judaism is based on temple worship, sacrifices, and Feasts. These people have been practising this religion for at least 1400 years before the birth of Jesus.

These people find it difficult to accept the gospel of Grace, they dabble into it but they don't accept it completely. If you’re going to turn around and walk away from what has been revealed to you by the grace of God and you’re going to go back or mix Judaism with all of its Temple worship and sacrifices, then, you’re out of it. God is no longer dealing with people on the basis of the animal sacrifices because He was the complete, perfect sacrifice.

Nothing in the book of Hebrews says a Christian will lose his salvation. We can create a thread to deal with the book of Hebrew word for word if you desire.

"4 For it is impossible for those who were once
enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and
have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and
have tasted the good word of God and the powers
of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew
them again to repentance, since they crucify again
for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an
open shame." (Heb 6:4-6).
If these verses doesn't tell you that a Christian could lose his salvation then you are reading the Bible with the wrong glasses.

italo:


Paul said he sinned in Romans 7.

So Paul was a Muslim or an Atheist?

@BabaGnoni...watch here too o.

bros go back and study Rm7, its evident that you only read dat portion. Study, Study and study. BTW, happy new yr, bro.

Hiswordxray:

Thank you.
Anytime I say it's impossible for a child of God to sin Christians attack me. But it's written clearly in the Bible (1John 3:9).
The truth is that in Christ we have never sin, we can't sin and we would never sin.

who are their teachers? Most of them are taught by pharisees, ignorants and merchants. Stay blessed.

So this statement is not applicable to you or what?


2 Peter 2:20-21 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

shdemidemi:
Yes... The faithful book says I should reckon myself as saved and I believe it with every fibre of my being.


Only God knows. I can only share the gospel that leads to salvation.



WORKS- This isn't a doctrine of GRACE which is a free gift of salvation to all (male,female,old, young, good, bad) that believe. It is actually that of works, whereby you are judged by what you do.

You will not find a statement like this in the epistles of Paul, who happens to be the minister appointed to the church(primarily Gentile).

Hiswordxray:

"4 For it is impossible for those who were once
enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and
have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and
have tasted the good word of God and the powers
of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew
them again to repentance, since they crucify again
for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an
open shame." (Heb 6:4-6).
If these verses doesn't tell you that a Christian could lose his salvation then you are reading the Bible with the wrong glasses.

You might have to redefine justification, if a christian will be eventually judged to be saved by 'works' and not wholly by the tremendous salvation by Grace. What do you say 'justification' is again?

Check that word 'taste'... I don't sustain any form of energy from some thing I simply taste. I can keep having a taste and yet starve to death. I must latch on it if I really want to partake in it.

Don't play around with words. Study these two other occurrences of the word taste


Matthew 16:28 King James Version (KJV)
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Hebrews 2:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Taste death means dying, taste heavenly gift means receiving the heavenly gift

shdemidemi:


You might have to redefine justification, if a christian will be eventually judged to be saved by 'works' and not wholly by the tremendous salvation by Grace. What do you say 'justification' is again?

Check that word 'taste'... I don't sustain any form of energy from some thing I simply taste. I can keep having a taste and yet starve to death. I must latch on it if I really want to partake in it.

vooks:
So this statement is not applicable to you or what?


2 Peter 2:20-21 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Peter's epistles were foremost to the Twelve Tribes scattered throughout the nations. If you go through your book of Acts properly, you will realise Peter and James decided to go to the Jews with their message while Paul went to the Gentiles to teach this gospel of justification and Grace without the input of sacrifices, legalism or works.

Paul also confronted the jewish/christian temple worshippers (this included Peter and James) in the book of Galatians to explain his doctrine of Grace without circumcision and other principles and aspects of the law and Jewish traditions. After so much dispute, they agreed that he can take his gospel of Christ to the Gentiles.

As far as I know, I am a non-jew and the bible points me directly to Apostle Paul as my teacher-
Romans 11
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh(the Jews), and might save some of them.

Does this mean I can't learn from Peter's letters? No. But I will not mix Works with Grace...They are parallel.

Alwaystrue:
Happy New Year guys.
@OP, ah I saw my name and thought to comment though it has been done justice to already. @Bidam, @Candour @Ayoku's comments seem to cover it all.



I think I particularly like @Ayoku's comment here and more or less sums it all up.
I believe unbelief starts when we start overlooking and 'It doesn't mean'-ing what Jesus says or how He acts in the belief that whatever we do we are covered since we have righteosness in us.
As was said, sinning as falling and rising is different from falling and wallowing and even becoming indifferent about it.

Maaaaama o ga oh, long time. i just dey gladys to see your post again, Happy 2015.

vooks:
Don't play around with words. Study these two other occurrences of the word taste


Matthew 16:28 King James Version (KJV)
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Hebrews 2:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Taste death means dying, taste heavenly gift means receiving the heavenly gift

I am sure you are familiar with contextual nuances. You can check one english word and find ten separate meanings depending on how they were used.

Tasting heavenly gift is different from receiving it

Shdemidemi, you are an extremely intelligent man, mighty in scriptures

What PERISH is Paul talking about?
1 Corinthians 8:10-11King James Version (KJV)
10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

shdemidemi:


Peter's epistles were foremost to the Twelve Tribes scattered throughout the nations. If you go through your book of Acts properly, you will realise Peter and James decided to go to the Jews with their message while Paul went to the Gentiles to teach this gospel of justification and Grace without the input of sacrifices, legalism or works.

Paul also confronted the jewish/christian temple worshippers (this included Peter and James) in the book of Galatians to explain his doctrine of Grace without circumcision and other principles and aspects of the law and Jewish traditions. After so much dispute, they agreed that he can take his gospel of Christ to the Gentiles.

As far as I know, I am a non-jew and the bible points me directly to Apostle Paul as my teacher-
Romans 11
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh(the Jews), and might save some of them.

Does this mean I can't learn from Peter's letters? No. But I will not mix Works with Grace...They are parallel.

This is not English but Greek my friend
What do you think tasting heavenly gift and the good word of the Lord means?
What is the 'heavenly gift' any way?

shdemidemi:


I am sure you are familiar with contextual nuances. You can check one english word and find ten separate meanings depending on how they were used.

Tasting heavenly gift is different from receiving it

vooks:
Shdemidemi, you are an extremely intelligent man, mighty in scriptures

Unnecessary..

vooks:
What PERISH is Paul talking about?
1 Corinthians 8:10-11King James Version (KJV)
10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

Context- Perish- 'lost'