MikeCZAR:
Highly trained, with a good record.

But hostage situations can go either way.

no doubt it can go either way, but with a record like that you would have to be a mad-man to bet against them, i mean a 100% success rate over a period of almost 40 years! thats insane!!!

ChukwuCantDie:
Zulu this zulu that now the zulus are the last remaining slaves, if you ask nicely we might come and free you.

hehehe that man is a direct offspring of shaka the zulu. or cant you see his dangerous zulu cow horn hat. south africans and mediocrity.

rka1:


If it satisfies you, RIP to the innocents lost in Baga. I was showing solidarity with France and and I don't have to paste messages on Nairaland to show my solidarity with my fellow Nigerians.

Remember it ain't the government that murdered these people and military operations are currently ongoing in Baga and other areas in the NE.

BTW, I would like to know the person/people who went to count 2,000 people that died. Watch out for the usual exaggeration. Elections round the corner.

BH actions right now are beyond words.

I don't get how a person would even ignore what's happening in Baga, to show sympathy for the French.

overhypedsteve:
hehehe that man is a direct offspring of shaka the zulu. or cant you see his dangerous zulu cow horn hat. south africans and mediocrity.

King Shaka Zulu never had a wife nor children.

overhypedsteve:
hehehe that man is a direct offspring of shaka the zulu. or cant you see his dangerous zulu cow horn hat. south africans and mediocrity.

"south africans and mediocrity" your joking right? If South Africa/South Africans is mediocre whats nigeria then? i mean we have better.....well every thing!

MikeCZAR:
BH actions right now are beyond words.

I don't get how a person would even ignore what's happening in Baga, to show sympathy for the French.

How do you know I have been ignoring it?

You would understand my solidarity with any country suffering terrorism if you had any idea what it is really like.

MikeCZAR:
This is the same reason your president is being bombard on social media, for condemning and expressing sympathy for the Paris shootings while totally avoiding the slaughter of civilians in Baga since Saturday.

The lives of those poor Nigerians in the North are unworthy, deserve no attention? No resting in peace?

Haven't seen nor heard any Nigerian expressing sympathy for them.

You are drunk!!

Do you live in the hearts of Nigerians, in our homes, churches, places of worship, offices to see we don't show empathy for the victims?

Terrorism is a global problem and it regiures a coordinated global effort to tackle it. There isn't a single time the president doesn't release statements.

MikeCZAR:
That other blogger is once again proven to be fraud.

"Nigeria might"
"It seems Nigeria"
"Nigeria will"
"The guy from"

I'll just attribute this comment to your drinking problem.

Henry120:


I'll just attribute this comment to your drinking problem.

No Super Hind for Nigeria, another small falcon lie.

Nigeria has no diplomatic muscle.

jln115:
With all these terrorist attacks going on every where, boy am i glad we have these oaks on our side!!

SAPS special task force:
100% hostage rescue success rate .

They haven't helped you with your murder problem, what use are they?


Hostage situations aren't predictable.

MikeCZAR:
BH actions right now are beyond words.

I don't get how a person would even ignore what's happening in Baga, to show sympathy for the French.

So, who's ignoring the problem?

MikeCZAR:
No Super Hind for Nigeria, another small falcon lie.

Nigeria has no diplomatic muscle.

2 insignificant helicopters, when we have an order for 40, is nothing to go cum ba ya over.

We already have a significant strength in depth in Rotary wing attack assets. We are building a strong force of 2 squadron of attack helicopters with our already delivered and on order assets.

2 hinds, for a helicopter we already have in significant service numbers.

Henry120:


You are drunk!!

Do you live in the hearts of Nigerians, in our homes, churches, places of worship, offices to see we don't show empathy for the victims?

Terrorism is a global problem and it regiures a coordinated global effort to tackle it. There isn't a single time the president doesn't release statements.

Your president totally ignored Baga.

BH is committing unspeakable acts of pure barbarism in Baga.

The ignorance that shall prepare the ground or provide conditions for yet another insurgent group. As those who are affected by the war are totally ignored, their stories blocked from the rest of the world.

Your military and government are starting a cycle of violence, rebellions etc in the North.

MikeCZAR:
Your president totally ignored Baga.

BH is committing unspeakable acts of pure barbarism in Baga.

The ignorance that shall prepare the ground or provide conditions for yet another insurgent group. As those who are affected by the war are totally ignored, their stories blocked from the rest of the world.

Your military and government are starting a cycle of violence, rebellions etc in the North.

There has been violence in the north since before your great great great grand father was born.

The President has not and never will ignore the plight of Nigerians. Don't be naive.

Henry120:


2 insignificant helicopters, when we have an order for 40, is nothing to go cum ba ya over.

We already have a significant strength in depth in Rotary wing attack assets. We are building a strong force of 2 squadron of attack helicopters with our already delivered and on order assets.

2 hinds, for a helicopter we already have in significant service numbers.

That number is too questionable.

So the Algerian Super Hinds which along with your tiny falcon claimed were Nigeria's are now insignificant? L L

Sad man. This is sad.

Henry120:


There has been violence in the north since before your great great great grand father was born.

The President has not and never will ignore the plight of Nigerians. Don't be naive.

The only difference is that during my great great grand fathers only rifles were available to rebels.

Nowadays technicals, IED, RPGs and other weapons which are available, highly effective than a rifle or a long tom which my grand grand great used.

Henry120:


They haven't helped you with your murder problem, what use are they?


Hostage situations aren't predictable.

Uhm....they are a counterterrorism and insurgency task force, its not there job to stop murders, plus i never said a hostage situation is predictable, although when the Takies are involved it pretty much is! i mean their record speaks for itself.

Henry120:


So, who's ignoring the problem?

Both government and military.

Your command council has not displayed any level of competency by recognizing what exactly BH is doing, and putting forward a strategy of dealing with them.

Instead you tried to scary them by deploy massive troops and putting the entire NE population in a bottle.

Maybe with saffers things will change.

MikeCZAR:
Both government and military.

Your command council has not displayed any level of competency by recognizing what exactly BH is doing, and putting forward a strategy of dealing with them.

Instead you tried to scary them by deploy massive troops and putting the entire NE population in a bottle.

Maybe with saffers things will change.

It shows you have little understanding of how an insurgency works and methods they use.

I will let The American Spectator educate you;

the terrorists are pretty much following the book on revolutionary warfare. Mix it up. Hit and run. Confuse the enemy. Sow dissension among his tactical allies.

And, of course, show the population the government cannot defend them. That is crucial. Do it ruthlessly: kill village heads or officials or patriarchs. Kidnap girls, boys, young men: turn them into sex workers by any other name, hard-labor slavers, or even child soldiers. The West Africans — the Africans generally — have decades of experience with child soldiers. Adroitly exploited, such kids are useful to ruthless radicals. They are terrified. They are psychotic. They are expendable. This is revolutionary war.

http://spectator.org/articles/61418/who-lost-nigeria

MikeCZAR:
That number is too questionable.

So the Algerian Super Hinds which along with your tiny falcon claimed were Nigeria's are now insignificant? L L

Sad man. This is sad.

You're done for.

It is easy to confuse the two. With Nigeria currently taking deliveries of attack helicopters from the ukraine, and in that colour scheme, a mix up wouldn't have been out of place.

Yes, 2 are insignificant. If it is a confirmed Nigerian up-grade, the military would have done 6 - 12.

Also seeing Nigeria took deliveries of up-graded MI-35 helicopters in MID August- September, it seemed logical.

jln115:

Uhm....they are a counterterrorism and insurgency task force, its not there job to stop murders, plus i never said a hostage situation is predictable, although when the Takies are involved it pretty much is! i mean their record speaks for itself.

They haven't met hardcore hostage takers who "dead or alive" have nothing to lose.

MikeCZAR:
The only difference is that during my great great grand fathers only rifles were available to rebels.

Nowadays technicals, IED, RPGs and other weapons which are available, highly effective than a rifle or a long tom which my grand grand great used.

What is this?

Your are not in sync with comment I made. You probably should go to bed.

Henry120:


They haven't met hardcore hostage takers who "dead or alive" have nothing to lose.

Im pretty sure in the almost 40 years of their existence,they have encountered at least a few of these so-called hostage takers.

MikeCZAR:
Both government and military.

Your command council has not displayed any level of competency by recognizing what exactly BH is doing, and putting forward a strategy of dealing with them.

Instead you tried to scary them by deploy massive troops and putting the entire NE population in a bottle.

Maybe with saffers things will change.

Saffers should first save saffer. It's the appropriate place to start.

There is a comprehensive plan in place to deal with this insurgency. This was the reason the 7 DIV was set-up in the first place.

Operations are however ongoing in those areas, including Baga. Everything is on track.

jln115:

Im pretty sure in the almost 40 years of their existence,they have encountered at least a few of these so-called hostage takers.

Actually, in the true sense, a bunch of hungry robbers aren't necessarily what any serious military negotiator would call a hostag taker.

No, i'm "more" pretty sure they haven't.

Henry120:


Actually, in the true sense, a bunch of hungry robbers aren't necessarily what any serious military negotiator would call a hostag taker.

No, i'm "more" pretty sure they haven't.

All of these hostage takers seem very die hard to me:

14 September 1988 – The Bus Capture at Lesotho. The Pope visited Maseru on the above date. Four members of the Lesotho Freedom Alliance hijacked a bus transporting 74 passengers at the British Embassy. The SAPS Special Task Force was called in to assist in the matter. When negotiations failed, the terrorists began shooting at the bystanders in the British Consulate. They then attempted to use the bus to ram through the embassy gates. The Special Task Force stormed the bus, killing three terrorists and capturing one. They disarmed an improvised booby trap (explosive device). 17 hostages who were injured by hostile gunfire were stabilised by Special Task Force medics.

11 January 1993 – Hostage situation in Walmer, Port Elizabeth. An ex-defence force member took a woman hostage and held her at gunpoint. As negotiations failed, the Special Task Force entered the building and incapacitated the captor with 2 shots. The hostage was not hurt.

4 July 1993 – Hijacked Fokker F-28 at Jan Smuts International Airport. A Fokker F-28 airliner of Royal Swazi Airlines with 21 passengers on board was hijacked and diverted to Jan Smuts Airport, near Johannesburg. The SAPS Special Task Force was summoned to the scene and 22 members were dispatched to the airport to contain the situation and release the hostages. After being informed by the psychologist on the scene that the hijacker was emotionally unstable and irrational and a threat to the hostages, the Special Task Force was given the command to recapture the aircraft and to release the hostages. The hijacker was wounded in the head during the storming of the aircraft. A hostage was wounded in the shoulder and the pilot in the leg. No casualties were sustained by members of the Special Task Force.

1 March 1995 – Hostage Situation Bella Vista, Johannesburg. A man took his fiancee and her little daughter hostage after a family dispute. The hostage negotiators and six members of the Special Task Force were deployed to the scene. During negotiations, the man continually held a knife against the throat of his fiancee and also sodomised her in the presence of her daughter. The child was also ill-treated by the man while his fiancee had to watch. A tactical release of the hostages was the only way out. One member of the Special Task Force was employed as a sniper and during the tactical release of the hostages, the man was fatally wounded. A firearm was found in the room where the man had held the woman and child hostage.

12 August 1996 – Hostage Situation 34 Baccus Street, Irene. On 12 August 1996 a man took a year old baby hostage at 34 Baccus Street, Irene. The Special Task Force deployed 21 members to the scene. During negotiations, snipers were deployed in the vicinity. The snipers observed that the man held the baby in front of him with a knife to its throat all the time. The hostage taker only moved a curtain occasionally to see what was going on outside, but never let go of the baby. Negotiations which had lasted a long time did not succeed and it was decided on a tactical release of the baby by members of the Special Task Force. During the tactical release, both snipers fired simultaneously, fatally wounding the hostage taker. The baby was safely released without any injuries.

15 December 2009 - Special Task Force snipers ended a 20-hour-long hostage situation at a farm outside Petrusburg in the Free State when two armed attackers took a farmer hostage when he and his son-in-law confronted them, after they had robbed another farmer. Thereafter the attackers hijacked the farmers' vehicle. His son-in-law managed to escape by diving out of the moving vehicle. Police chased after the vehicle at about 14:00, but the hijackers refused to hand themselves over and negotiations were carried out by the police hostage negotiator at about 16:00. The Special Task Force arrived on the scene between 17:00 and 18:00. At about 7:00 Special Task Force snipers shot and killed both attackers. The hostage only had minor injuries and was taken to the hospital.

24 November 2012 – Protea Coin cash compound, Robertsville, western Johannesburg. At around 17:00, the Task Force confronted a group of 20 heavily armed cash in transit robbers in a foiled robbery, after the robbers were cornered and opened fire on the members of the Task Force, they returned fire killing 7 and wounding 9 of the robbers. None of the Task Force members were injured in the shootout.

MikeCZAR:
King Shaka Zulu never had a wife nor children.

shaka never had wives, he impregnated slaves and whores, shaka never gave birth to children he gave birth to zulu slaves. Shaka is just another south African fraud thrown into history books. Shaka is the worst dimwit of all time. His innovation in the military area are both risky and impracticable. How can you say foot soldiers should fight bare footed, abstain from women and hold short stabbing spear against enemies wielding long throwing spears that they could throw and even hold and pierce through the heart of shaka zulu coward while he is still thinking of his sex deprived life. Your bare footed zulu soldiers held their short stabbing spears to face the white men gattling guns and a new lesson was learnt that day. Shaka's military tactic have failed he and his zulu bushmen. They laid dead that day half naked with flies buzzing around their private parts they were of no use in life and even in death they were of little use. Shaka and mandela are two side of the same counterfeit coin.

overhypedsteve:
shaka never had wives, he impregnated slaves and whores, shaka never gave birth to children he gave birth to zulu slaves. Shaka is just another south African fraud thrown into history books. Shaka is the worst dimwit of all time. His innovation in the military area are both risky and impracticable. How can you say foot soldiers should fight bare footed, abstain from women and hold short stabbing spear against enemies wielding long throwing spears that they could throw and even hold and pierce through the heart of shaka zulu coward while he is still thinking of his sex deprived life. Your bare footed zulu soldiers held their short stabbing spears to face the white men gattling guns and a new lesson was learnt that day. Shaka's military tactic have failed he and his zulu bushmen. They laid dead that day half naked with flies buzzing around their private parts they were of no use in life and even in death they were of little use. Shaka and mandela are two side of the same counterfeit coin.

Very emotional post, backed up with no facts !!!

jln115:

Very emotional post, backed up with no facts !!!

the only fact i have is your history, the asegai was invented by shaka. It was a short stabbing spear, shaka's army was based on celibacy. Shaka's army was bare footed for speed.

overhypedsteve:
the only fact i have is your history, the asegai was invented by shaka. It was a short stabbing spear, shaka's army was based on celibacy. Shaka's army was bare footed for speed.

Yes your 100% right shaka's tactics were based on being fast and having the ability to flank the enemy, thus the iklwa was used by Shaka's army, as it was very light and easy use, thus thanks to these tactics the Zulus were able to defeat the british at the Battle of Isandlwana.
As for the army being based on celibacy, thats true aswell, i was never disputing these facts, the claims i was disputing were the ones you made about him being dimwitted, and that his tactics didnt work.

jln115:

Yes your 100% right shaka's tactics were based on being fast and having the ability to flank the enemy, thus the iklwa was used by Shaka's army, as it was very light and easy use, thus thanks to these tactics the Zulus were able to defeat the british at the Battle of Isandlwana.
As for the army being based on celibacy, thats true aswell, i was never disputing these facts, the claims i was disputing were the ones you made about him being dimwitted, and that his tactics didnt work.

read my comment again. I said they where impracticable, Unsustainable

agaugust:


ANC doctrine was not attacking homeland because 90% of the population are their own black families they want to save.

Your southie intelligence networks are NOT effective enough to defeat illiterate Rhino poachers invading your country at will today
.

Strawman argument

Simple fact of the matter is that South African intelligence services kept South Africa largely safe

Nigerian intelligence services have completely failed at their job