DOES (present continuous tense) Holy Spirit reside (present continuous tense) in some people temporarily? Yes/No?

DID(past tense) Holy Spirit reside(past continuous tense) in some people temporarily? Yes/No?

shdemidemi:


Do you know what it means to rightly divide the Word?

OLD from NEW?

FLESH from SPIRIT?

Do you understand what the dispensation of the HOLY SPIRIT is?

Do you understand what distinguishes the dispensation of the Spirit from that of the Father and the Son; and the capacity it operated at the different times?

Alwaystrue:


I think this is the core issue. Who is a believer? Checking this is to bring out the words of Jesus Christ and add the epistles of Paul.
Seems people think believing in Jesus involves just the notion he died for our sins and rose again and discard his whole person and the truth he spoke even in the gospels.

You're right. I believe we are all tripping on this issue. We differ on the definition of a believer.

We need to get that definition back.

Although I believe it begins with faith in the heart and confession with the mouth, of Christ as Messiah and resurrection Lord.

Excellent
So,
What is Jesus saying here? Let's start there.

Revelation 3:5King James Version (KJV)
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Am sure seeing you are Elect and are Spirit Filled, you have no difficulty COMPREHENDING this

shdemidemi:


The bible did not leave us guessing or making assumptions with the issue of the unrighteous. The fate of an unbeliever is written in white and black for all to see. All I am saying is that we must stick to what was said and not think out what was not said- error might creep in.
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Please address the rest of the questions

If God really knows the end from the beginning, would He really need to be blotting out names that He had written?

The book of Revelation says only a remnant of 14400 will be saved, don't you think He knows them already if He can know their number?

Is God a reactive God, does He do plan B, do things catch him off guard to necessitate improvisation?[/size]

vooks:

The fact that He exhorts and reserves reward for overcomers means not all are overcomers. Otherwise the promises are hopelessly redundant. Think of Shdemidemi promising his daughter that he SHALL be her father.

Seem you only come to NL to read yourself.

I separated the book of Revelation and the churches mentioned there from the gospel of Grace and the body of Christ built on the foundation of Faith in Christ.

They all have to work to overcome at this period of tribulation. This isn't so for those who got salvation on the basis of Grace through God's mercy.

vooks:

This is FATALISM. If God knows whom he will save, what is our job of preaching or even studying scriptures and praying? He knows whom He will save and doing that don't affect His choice.

Fatalism 101

Moot point.
Why is Jesus promising rewards to overcomers out of the church and not the whole church?

Guess your question and answer didn't yield much hence why you are coming out aggressive, it was all 'sir' initially.

Calm down.. farabale

vooks:
DOES (present continuous tense) Holy Spirit reside (present continuous tense) in some people temporarily? Yes/No?

DID(past tense) Holy Spirit reside(past continuous tense) in some people temporarily? Yes/No?

Do you understand my questions?

shdemidemi:


The bible did not leave us guessing or making assumptions with the issue of the unrighteous. The fate of an unbeliever is written in white and black for all to see. All I am saying is that we must stick to what was said and not think out what was not said- error might creep in.

Please address the rest of the questions

If God really knows the end from the beginning, would He really need to be blotting out names that He had written?

The book of Revelation says only a remnant of 14400 will be saved, don't you think He knows them already if He can know their number?

Is God a reactive God, does He do plan B, do things catch him off guard to necessitate improvisation?

The 144000 are not those who will be saved, they are the firstfruits of the coming feast of tabernacle.

Just like the 120 were the firstfruits of the feast of Pentecost. After the 120, there were 3000, then 5000 and many more who were coming to Christ daily.

So also after the 144, 000 there will be multitudes who will come to Christ.

You asked why God will bother writing names in the book of life and blotting it out when He knows the end from the beginning.

It is because He judges us by our choices not by His foreknowledge. He also know those who will go to Hell but he still gives them the privilege of hearing the gospel even though He knows they will reject it.

Why doesn't He just throw them into hell instead of waste the time of those He uses to preach to them?

So God should not bother to write someone's name in the book of life when He accepts Christ because He knows it will still be blotted out when the person rejects Jesus again?

That will be God judging us by His foreknowledge not by our own choices.

vooks:
Excellent
So,
What is Jesus saying here? Let's start there.

Revelation 3:5King James Version (KJV)
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Am sure seeing you are Elect and are Spirit Filled, you have no difficulty COMPREHENDING this

Vooks says 'I love my mum because she bought me a toy', what is the flip side to this statement?

shdemidemi:
The bible did not leave us guessing or making assumptions with the issue of the unrighteous.
The fate of an unbeliever is written in white and black for all to see.
All I am saying is that we must stick to what was said and not think out what was not said- error might creep in.

There isnt anything wrong with thinking out what was not
Error MIGHT creep in but that isnt always going to be case
The mind is for stretching, if not stretch beyond it elasticity breaking-point, no harm to it will be done nor will hell be let loose
Imagine Moses walking along and not turning round to investigate an aberrant
- bush on fire but not burning

shdemidemi:
Please address the rest of the questions

If God really knows the end from the beginning, would He really need to be blotting out names that He had written?

The book of Revelation says only a remnant of 14400 will be saved, don't you think He knows them already if He can know their number?

Is God a reactive God, does He do plan B, do things catch him off guard to necessitate improvisation?

"...blotting out names that He had written..." means God had previously done an alpha test before release
He already knew Joe Blogg will renounce or abandon the faith

Once saved, always saved. Sure, but nothing stopping anyone from jumping ship
No one is going to hold anyone bawling or screaming into the Kingdom
- babies dont even scream entering earth, of course not until when whacked on the bum

You, Shdemidemi SEPARATED.....

Is this what calvinists or baptists or whatever they call themselves resort to when cornered? Mutilating scriptures?

shdemidemi:


Seem you only come to NL to read yourself.

I separated the book of Revelation and the churches mentioned there from the gospel of Grace and the body of Christ built on the foundation of Faith in Christ.

They all have to work to overcome at this period of tribulation. This isn't so for those who got salvation on the basis of Grace through God's mercy.

Guess your question and answer didn't yield much hence why you are coming out aggressive, it was all 'sir' initially.

Calm down.. farabale

Last time,

DOES (present continuous tense) Holy Spirit reside (present continuous tense) in some people temporarily? Yes/No?

shdemidemi:


Do you understand my questions?

ayoku777:


Ofcourse, it is possible to give up on your faith in Christ Jesus.

Names can be blotted out of the book of life according to Jesus.

And that means someone who once had eternal life can lose it, if he loses his faith in Christ.

This is how to deny Christ

1John 2v22 -Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is the antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

To deny Jesus is to not believe He is the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

A believer cannot deny Jesus, otherwise he is no more a believer.

A believer who does not do the commands of Jesus has denied Christ.

You agree?

Shdemidemi,
Could you please follow your own advice and tell us what Jesus is saying here and not what He is not saying

Revelation 3:5King James Version (KJV)
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

cc ayoku777,BabaGnoni

shdemidemi:


Vooks says 'I love my mum because she bought me a toy', what is the flip side to this statement?

vooks:
You, Shdemidemi SEPARATED.....

Is this what calvinists or baptists or whatever they call themselves resort to when cornered? Mutilating scriptures?

He has succeeded in ripping the Bible asunder just to defend heresy.

BabaGnoni:


Jokester... trust my guy, italo.
This 1-10 is a revised version after the first 1-3 botched attempt
Go over my post up there, your earlier 1-3 and the revised 1-10, was preemptively touched in it

Yes or no answers are not too difficult.


1. Were the people in Matt 7:22 justified?
2. Were members of the early Corinthian Church justified?
3. Did the members of the early Corinthian Church sin?
4. Was St. Paul justified when he wrote Romans 7?
5. Was St. Paul sinning when he wrote Romans 7?
6. Was Paul talking to justified believers in 1Cor6:8?
7. Were the people Paul was talking to in 1Cor6:8 doing wrong and sinning?
8. Do wrongdoers go to heaven?
9. In Rom11:20-23, was Paul talking to Roman justified believers?
10. Could these people be cut off from Christ?

italo:


A believer who does not do the commands of Jesus has denied Christ.

You agree?

No a believer who doesn't do the commands of Christ IS A CARNAL CHRISTIAN.

1Cor 3v3 -For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men.

And what is the consequence of being carnal and doing carnal works? It is not the loss of salvation or hell fire as an unbeliever.

1Cor 3v15 -If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED; yet so as by fire.

ayoku777:


The 144000 are not those who will be saved, they are the firstfruits of the coming feast of tabernacle.

Just like the 120 were the firstfruits of the feast of Pentecost. After the 120, there were 3000, then 5000 and many more who were coming to Christ daily.

So also after the 144, 000 there will be multitudes who will come to Christ.

Do you agree 144 00 will be sealed?

Do you think any more outside these sealed ones will pass the test through TRIBULATION? Any way that is by the way.

ayoku777:


You asked why God will bother writing names in the book of life and blotting it out when He knows the end from the beginning.

It is because He judges us by our choices not by His foreknowledge. He also know those who will go to Hell but he still gives them the privilege of hearing the gospel even though He knows they will reject it.

Why doesn't He just throw them into hell instead of waste the time of those He uses to preach to them?

So God should not bother to write someone's name in the book of life when He accepts Christ because He knows it will still be blotted out when the person rejects Jesus again?

That will be God judging us by His foreknowledge not by our own choices.

Did God judge Israel even before they were cut off for their acts?

my fellow pastors
how come you guys quote scriptures more than the new testament writers?
just wondering

italo:


Yes or no answers are not too difficult.


1. Were the people in Matt 7:22 justified?
2. Were members of the early Corinthian Church justified?
3. Did the members of the early Corinthian Church sin?
4. Was St. Paul justified when he wrote Romans 7?
5. Was St. Paul sinning when he wrote Romans 7?
6. Was Paul talking to justified believers in 1Cor6:8?
7. Were the people Paul was talking to in 1Cor6:8 doing wrong and sinning?
8. Do wrongdoers go to heaven?
9. In Rom11:20-23, was Paul talking to Roman justified believers?
10. Could these people be cut off from Christ?

Why don't you go answer questions directed at you first before demanding answers for yours.

vooks:
Shdemidemi,
Could you please follow your own advice and tell us what Jesus is saying here and not what He is not saying

Revelation 3:5King James Version (KJV)
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

cc ayoku777,BabaGnoni

What Jesus said is clear enough, I don't know why you need hear it from me.

He said what await those who pass the test of Tribulation.

vooks:
Last time,

DOES (present continuous tense) Holy Spirit reside (present continuous tense) in some people temporarily? Yes/No?

To be honest, I haven't fully followed this discourse the resisdence of the Holy Spirit between you and shdemidemi
but just want to chip this in , it might be relevant or simply way off chart

Holy Spirit is just like electricity, it is always there
It could be there dormant, not live or temporarily off, though the wire is plugged into the mains but the switch on the wall is off
It could be permanently flowing until when unplugged or when the switch on the wall is turned off

Our brains apparently is a source of electricity. The nervous system is a conduit that carries the electricity to various points of the body to cause motion, kill parasites etcetera
Do some readings on electric diet, electric and alkaline foods

What awaits them?
Don't get angry like you are wont to

shdemidemi:


What Jesus said is clear enough, I don't know why you need hear it from me.

He said what await those who pass the test of Tribulation.

vooks:
Last time,

DOES (present continuous tense) Holy Spirit reside (present continuous tense) in some people temporarily? Yes/No?

Do you understand 'dispensations'?
Col 1
25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the [size=22pt]dispensation [/size]of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Ephesians 3
2 If ye have heard of the [size=22pt]dispensation [/size]of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

italo:
Yes or no answers are not too difficult.

1. Were the people in Matt 7:22 justified?
2. Were members of the early Corinthian Church justified?
3. Did the members of the early Corinthian Church sin?
4. Was St. Paul justified when he wrote Romans 7?
5. Was St. Paul sinning when he wrote Romans 7?
6. Was Paul talking to justified believers in 1Cor6:8?
7. Were the people Paul was talking to in 1Cor6:8 doing wrong and sinning?
8. Do wrongdoers go to heaven?
9. In Rom11:20-23, was Paul talking to Roman justified believers?
10. Could these people be cut off from Christ?

1. Were the people in the passage justified? Yes or no.
>> Ans: No
2. Did they commit sin? Yes or no.
>> Ans: Yes
3. Did the go to heaven? Yes or no.
>> Ans: No

The people in that verse weren't genuine saints to start with
italo check the argument in Romans 3:7 out for reasons behind the binaries given above

Someone might argue,
"If my falsehood enhances God's truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?"
- Romans 3:7 NIV

You are right that "Yes or no answers are not too difficult", which is what was easily done with your original 1-3 questions with an instructive added bonus Romans 3:7 scripture
(i.e. as seen, your original 1-3 questions reproduced above)

shdemidemi:


Do you agree 144 00 will be sealed?

Do you think any more outside these sealed ones will pass the test through TRIBULATION? Any way that is by the way.



Did God judge Israel even before they were cut off for their acts?

You're right, that is by the way. Because there is no where in the bible that scripture says, there will be a resurrection and rapture before the tribulation.

God cut off Israel after they rejected Christ as a nation. And salvation became a personal thing for every individual, jew or gentile.

And how does all this proof that those who don't overcome will not have their names blotted out.

What is the flip side of this?

Johnny, If you get an A in physics I will not collect your phone from you.

And they still can't agree on what the 'infallible' bible says, someone's gotta be right, .

One 'inerrant' bible and hundreds of diverging and disparate views !!

Yes I do understand that on the basis of those TWO occurences of the word DISPENSATION we have Dispensation Theology

Now, DOES the Holy Spirit RESIDE in some men temporarily? It's YES/NO


When I was in High School, I used to be a reggae singer and rapper. Now am not. This should help you

shdemidemi:



Do you understand 'dispensations'?
[size=2pt]Col 1
25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the [size=22pt]dispensation [/size]of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Ephesians 3
2 If ye have heard of the [size=22pt]dispensation [/size]of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

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vooks:
What awaits them?
Don't get angry like you are wont to

He says they will be clothed in white raiment, he will not blot out their name out of the book of life, he will confess their name before His Father, and before his angels.

vooks:
Yes I do understand that on the basis of those TWO occurences of the word DISPENSATION we have Dispensation Theology

Now, DOES the Holy Spirit RESIDE in some men temporarily? It's YES/NO


When I was in High School, I used to be a reggae singer and rapper. Now am not. This should help you

For your question, you probably want me to anwer it a thousand times before you acknowledge it... I say YES YES YES......


On those two occurrences, what do you think they mean?

Don't evade the question.

frosbel:
And they still can't agree on what the 'infallible' bible says, someone's gotta be right, .

One 'inerrant' bible and hundreds of diverging and disparate views !!

That makes me believe the bible even more. Only a real thing can possibly have this much counterfeit. Ignoring the bible means submitting to Frosbel and his daddy.

vooks:
Shdemidemi,
Could you please follow your own advice and tell us what Jesus is saying here and not what He is not saying

Revelation 3:5King James Version (KJV)
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment;
and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life,
but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

cc ayoku777,BabaGnoni

shdemidemi:
He says they will be clothed in white raiment, he will not blot out their name out of the book of life,
he will confess their name before His Father, and before his angels.

If spotless (i.e. white raiment), you've hit a home run and would be personally introduced to God the Father and rub shoulders with His Angels

shdemidemi:


That makes me believe the bible even more. Only a real thing can possibly have this much counterfeit. Ignoring the bible means submitting to Frosbel and his daddy.

The real thing must have much counterfeit like you said , so tell me , which one is the counterfeit, yours or vook's or the hundred others ??

Hmm.

@Ayoku,
Yes i believe so too even if the person amy not fully grasp it that time but as he begins to follow Jesus and the Spirit He will start gaining understanding. That is why he will need need tbe Spirit to guide him in all truth.

ayoku777:

No a believer who doesn't do the commands of Christ IS A CARNAL CHRISTIAN.
1Cor 3v3 -For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men.
And what is the consequence of being carnal and doing carnal works? It is not the loss of salvation or hell fire as an unbeliever.
1Cor 3v15 -If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED; yet so as by fire.

On the scripture you quoted about works, could you share your thoughts on the works that Paul may have been speaking about here especially since he likened it to a builder building with different materials of gold, wood etc?
I once posted after i meditated on that 1 Corinthians 3 scripture that the works stated there could be hypocritical works of good to show off or receive the praise of men or works done without the right heart and not evil works actually. That is why the different qualities of building materials were mentioned. I don't think evil works can even be classified as a building material in this case.
My view however.