patches689:


And we completed the training and formation of our intervention brigade just in time too!!

Nigeria rejected intervention forces from world super powers including America, then Britain and the great Australian green beret desert special forces. so AU can go intervene in Cameroon that is begging for foreign help, they may accept HIV sick South African soldiers in Paul Biyas homeland
.

agaugust:


Nigeria rejected intervention forces from world super powers including America, then Britain and the great Australian green beret desert special forces. so AU can go intervene in Cameroon that is begging for foreign help, they may accept HIV sick South African soldiers in Paul Biyas homeland
.

First, there is no such thing as the "australian green beret desert special forces", you child. And further - the west never offered intervention forces only assistance.

Second, yes then Cameroon will get help and the people of Cameroon will be safe - while your country burns.

This post by augubugug shows how overly emotional nigerians are - they have no sense, no logic. Did the English turn down American help during the war? Did Vietnam or North Korea turn down Russia? Did Angola turn down Cuba?

You are losing a war and you turn down help?

Fools.

DieVluit:


It's got nothing to do with the language. It's the ZERO sense you're making. You're a clown and have no idea what you're even trying to say.

There's another piece of rubbish - "social colonist".

You're a joke.

you are nothing but a 2 minute Google-educated maggot.

Your brain elasticity can't stretch beyond 3cm.

You are not worth anything more than a sewage fluid from a waste pipe.

Your IQ is as low as your obvious lack of comprehension.

A WHO certified retard and sociopathic lunny like you has no identity or fix address except here on nairaland.
A nairaland toad like you would just hit on your keyboard and type away your idiocy.


Nkoboti baboon!

patches689:




If memory serves me right, your missile has an inferior seeker, is less maneuverable and is more susceptible to counter-measures. All these critierions combine to make ours superior.

Not to mention that ours also outranges yours.

And we arent even talking about the A-darter yet.

As I have said, the missiles have been compared, yours is inferior.

Memory serves you wrong unfortunately. Most technical performance details of PL-9C missile are classified by China, but the bottom line is that it's successful hit on target is 90%
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MikeCZAR:




You know engaging always leads to this.

Nigeria navy: ZERO frigates

SA Navy: 3 Frigates ready at any given time.

SAN has ONLY 1 Frigate alive, 3 are dead
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MikeCZAR:
Your officers will get into the sea launch those missiles and torpedoes?

Your missiles are expired and have no launch platforms. Aradu is a rusty fish tank.

If two strike craft vessels backed 1 frigate and a replishment ship turned up in your waters, Nigerian navy Chief of stuff would be slapped by Badeh as your oil installations while oil installations are destroyed.

You navy Chief of stuff has no combat capable ships under his combat.

I proved other navies that bought Otomat same time with Nigeria are still firing their missiles to show the world they are not expired, I posted a Latino navy doing it here.

NAF jets will sink the whole fleet of SAN within 15 minutes and you have no navy from that moment.

1 frigate, no diesel, double trouble for SAN
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patches689:


A sane human being would be thankfull that other nations are coming to his assistance.

But this fvcking ape still has the gall to spew his filth upon this forum?

Soon we will be patrolling their waters AND showing them how to fight wars

Get the gin and tonic ready, boy, your colonial masters will be taking up residence soon.

#SANDFIsComingToSaveTheHegemony

SANDF has 30 battalions of HIV Infected half dead soldiers, try save your dying army first
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patches689:


Official numbers are official numbers.

In South Africa it is illegal for the SANDF to hide casualties,

Official numbers are official numbers.

In Nigeria it is illegal for the NA to hide casualties
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patches689:


Eye witnesses say that there are 1000's of body's there, CNN, WSJ, BBC, AJ and RT are all carrying that story and running those numbers- so i believe them

With regards to 50 dead, Reuters also said 6 dead

"I saw the bodies of six South African soldiers. They had all been shot. Their vehicles were also destroyed. Other South African soldiers came to recover the bodies," the witness told Reuters.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/africa/2013/03/24/six-south-african-soldiers-dead-in-central-african-republic-witness

The loss of 13 men in CAR is undisputed, their names and ranks have been released and no one disputes the number except one journalist whom ruined his career by sending dispatches with incorrect information.

You said you are quoting Retuers news of France, but your web link source is Times news of South Africa, are you craaaaaazy!
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agaugust:


SAN has ONLY 1 Frigate alive, 3 are dead
.

Nigeria has no combat ship.

SAN has 4 frigates rotated through refit.

MikeCZAR:


1. Pakistan is no world power.

2. No French territory is in enemy hands.

3. BH isn't launching small scale 4 men attacks, they're openly attacking your army and defeating them.

Capturing your land.

4. Poachers are not fighting SA soldiers.

Pakistan is a nuclear power and world power.

France had it's capital Paris held to ransom and locked down by only 2 terrorists for several days.

Let 1,000 terrorists mixed among civilians rise up with RPG and heavy machine guns inside Paris and let's see French army compared to Nigeria.

France is a Christian nation and does not face Nigeria's threat level.

Poachers have been sitting down on SANDF owned portion of South African land allocated and gifted to your army by ANC government, the poachers don't even fear your army, they are freeling robbing and stealing and breaking law on army land

Your helpless army is busy with HIV treatment and cannot recapture their land from local hunter poachers.

agaugust:


I proved other navies that bought Otomat same time with Nigeria are still firing their missiles to show the world they are not expired, I posted a Latino navy doing it here.

NAF jets will sink the whole fleet of SAN within 15 minutes and you have no navy from that moment.

1 frigate, no diesel, double trouble for SAN
.

Your Otomat missiles have long expired, besides you have no launch platforms.

Your navy can be wiped in less than 15 minutes. NN has no combat capability.

Do you know how fighter aircraft attack ships?

If needed you know, all your jets will be shot down.

agaugust:


Pakistan is a nuclear power and world power.

France had it's capital Paris held to ransom and locked down by only 2 terrorists for several days.

Let 1,000 terrorists mixed among civilians rise up with RPG and heavy machine guns inside Paris and let's see French army compared to Nigeria.

France is a Christian nation and does not face Nigeria's threat level.

Poachers have been sitting down on SANDF owned portion of South African land allocated and gifted to your army by ANC government, the poachers don't even fear your army, they are freeling robbing and stealing and breaking law on army land

Your helpless army is busy with HIV treatment and cannot recapture their land from local hunter poachers.

1. Pakistan is not a world power.

2. Yes, because no terrorist movement would ever built a capability to deploy a battalion sized force for combat supported APCs, Technicals, Motobikes etc

3. Poachers are not fighting the SA military.

Do you want me to introduce poaching into the debate?

Do you want us to discus Nigeria's poaching problems?

MikeCZAR:
You're the same guy who was "rolling eyes" here months ago?

er....rolling eyes?,i dont think so,what i do is wink;you understand what winking is dont you?,it means closing an eyelid for the fraction of a second.

patches689:


First, there is no such thing as the "australian green beret desert special forces", you child. And further - the west never offered intervention forces only assistance.

Second, yes then Cameroon will get help and the people of Cameroon will be safe - while your country burns.

This post by augubugug shows how overly emotional nigerians are - they have no sense, no logic. Did the English turn down American help during the war? Did Vietnam or North Korea turn down Russia? Did Angola turn down Cuba?

You are losing a war and you turn down help?

Fools.

Green berets is the common nickname for Australian special forcee you dummy.

Nobody helped Nigeria defeat Biafra, nobody is needed to defeat Boko Haram, American help did not defeat Taliban in Afghanistan after 11 years of NATO power show.

We are not losing any war with Boko Haram, Great Britain fought 27 long war with IRA terrorists, so 4 years against Bokos is nothing to worry about.

Nobody helped Algeria to defeat terrorists in an 11 year war and 150,000 Algerians died.

Nigeria needs NO foreign soldiers, we will continue to do things our own way.

Anybody with intervention desires can try his luck with Cameroon. Period !
.

mzilakazi:


That's a good novel for children to read.

you appear to be a waste of diluted s.perm....what achievements can the SANDF boast of compared to the NA?

MikeCZAR:
Even if the EU was to fall apart it wouldn't affect former EU countries relations with the USA.

Yes,it wouldnt.but the jihadists will succeed in distancing the relationship between the US and western europe.france claims that it isnt going to fight a war against muslims,but it is only a matter of time before grief and anger drive them to change their mind.the US is pretty cosy with saudi arabia,the world's pillar of islam,but what happens when france percieve's islam as a threat to its national security,interest and sovereignity?,what happens when germany withdraws from EU and begins to rearm its military for standby alert mode?

lezz:
you are nothing but a 2 minute Google-educated maggot.

Your brain elasticity can't stretch beyond 3cm.

You are not worth anything more than a sewage fluid from a waste pipe.

Your IQ is as low as your obvious lack of comprehension.

A WHO certified retard and sociopathic lunny like you has no identity or fix address except here on nairaland.
A nairaland toad like you would just hit on your keyboard and type away your idiocy.


Nkoboti baboon!

A very pained and passionate post from a colonial subject. Just send a letter to the empire. We might just read it.

MikeCZAR:
Your Otomat missiles have long expired, besides you have no launch platforms.
.

Citation needed
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MikeCZAR:


Do you know how fighter aircraft attack ships?

If needed you know, all your jets will be shot down.

I am the one who posted the last modern day jet vs ship war here from Falklands war records of casualties and losses.

Old school Skyhawk jets of Argentina sank British warships in a fleet that has SAM air defense.

When a navy has no air force protection it becomes a fat helpless sitting duck. NAF will sink SANs lone ranger frigate in 5 minutes and Mandela will have no navy anymore
.

agaugust:


Green berets is the common nickname for Australian special forcee you dummy.

Nobody helped Nigeria defeat Biafra, nobody is needed to defeat Boko Haram, American help did not defeat Taliban in Afghanistan after 11 years of NATO power show.

We are not losing any war with Boko Haram, Great Britain fought 27 long war with IRA terrorists, so 4 years against Bokos is nothing to worry about.

Nobody helped Algeria to defeat terrorists in an 11 year war and 150,000 Algerians died.

Nigeria needs NO foreign soldiers, we will continue to do things our own way.

Anybody with intervention desires can try his luck with Cameroon. Period !
.

no, there is no Australian unit with that name you child

You will continue to fight the war your own way and you will continue to lose - face it, we will be coming to save you just like our navy will be patrolling your waters.

And the difference between your war and the ones you listed above - in those wars the insurgents didnt hold towns and cities, they didnt move around in massive formations, they didnt have APC's and such. The COIN war is over - the low intensity conventional war has begun

agaugust:


I am the one who posted the last modern day jet vs ship war here from Falklands war records of casualties and losses.

Old school Skyhawk jets of Argentina sank British warships in a fleet that has SAM air defense.

When a navy has no air force protection it becomes a fat helpless sitting duck. NAF will sink SANs lone ranger frigate in 5 minutes and Mandela will have no navy anymore
.

Hahaha

No

agaugust:


I proved other navies that bought Otomat same time with Nigeria are still firing their missiles to show the world they are not expired, I posted a Latino navy doing it here.

NAF jets will sink the whole fleet of SAN within 15 minutes and you have no navy from that moment.

1 frigate, no diesel, double trouble for SAN
.

[quote

agaugust:


Memory serves you wrong unfortunately. Most technical performance details of PL-9C missile

agaugust post=29791293:


Nigeria rejected intervention forces from world super powers including America, then Britain and the great Australian green beret desert special forces. so AU can go intervene in Cameroon that is begging for foreign help, they may accept HIV sick South African soldiers in Paul Biyas homeland
.

are classified by China, but the bottom line is that it's successful hit on target is 90%
.

author=agaugust post=29792455]

Official numbers are official numbers.

In Nigeria it is illegal for the NA to hide casualties
.[/quote]

Hello there Agaugust

I haven't posted in this forum for about a year now have even forgotten my username I was using then. We were discussing capabilities wrt Otomat vs Execot and their launch platforms at the time, SAN frigates vs Nigerian frigate, but then I got ended up just going to the pub instead. I'm glad you have lost non of your passionate fire in the interim.

1. Which NAF jets are those exactly you refer to?

2. No doubt all technical performance details for the PL-9 are classified as it is with any other weapons system. The "unofficially obtained" figures of 90% successful engagement rate sure does sound impressive, but under what testing conditions how were these attained? Relying on surface controls like canards, rollerons and ailerons for stability/maneuvering (no thrust vectoring capability from exhaust nozzle) they are seriously compromised in engagements with fast moving targets able to detect them, perform evasive manouvres and deploy counter measures.

Seeing as the equivalent products produced on a relatively shoe string budget by indigenous SA companies (no need to worry about changing political climates as they have in house production capability) have demonstrated 100% success rate in internationally observed trials a claimed 90% success rate doesn't sound so good to be honest.

3. Illegal for the NA to hide causalities, so they have the same constitutional requirements of 95% of the worlds armies... do they have the same watch dogs in place to make sure they adhere to those rules? No not a chance, not even close, what would happen to a whistle blower in Nigeria that revealed something putting the authorities in a bad light and embarrassed the government?

4. Only 1 frigate working? Last time I checked 1 was in refit, 2 operational- ie either on patrol or ready for immediate deployment at full operational capability, the other ready to be deployed at full operational level on short notice if required.

5. I have to take my hat off and express genuine admiration and respect for Nigeria with how they handled the Biafra situation and despite America's best efforts to manipulate things to suit their agenda of expanding their empire (using many "humanitarian NGO's" yeah right, they were sneaky bastards) you guys did well there, well done. It wasn't portrayed in a popular light by the western propoganda/media at the time but it was the necessary evil required to achieve the greater good. So don't buy Chinese hardware(missiles, ships, whatever)! Why do you think SA turned down USA's offer of F-16s- way too many strings attached.

6. Not good form to criticize RSA for helping in CAR. At least they tried to help and actually did contribute something positive towards the well being of the local populace. Nigeria did nothing and they are right next door!

patches689:


no, there is no Australian unit with that name you child

Foolish old man, that is their nickname, Green Berets....

"Australian Commando berets are known as being "Sherwood Green" in colour. The corps badge on the beret is a black background and a gold combat dagger with the moto “Strike Swiftly" underneath the dagger.[4] The green beret is only awarded to a soldier upon becoming qualified as a Commando in either of the below Regiments.

1st Commando Regiment
2nd Commando Regiment. Formerly 4th Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment, a special forces unit of the Australian Army"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_beret#Australian_commandos
.

patches689:


face it, we will be coming to save you just like our navy will be patrolling your waters.

With ONLY ONE frigate, one same solo ship protecting South Africa's 3,200 km coast, at the same time patrolling Mozambique channel, patrolling Angola to Nigeria, and up to Ghana, covering the whole Gulf Of Guinea....LOL
.

patches689:


And the difference between your war and the ones you listed above - in those wars the insurgents didnt hold towns and cities, they didnt move around in massive formations, they didnt have APC's and such. The COIN war is over - the low intensity conventional war has begun

If France becomes surrounded by Islamic nations like Chad , Niger Republic and North Cameroon, and when France has has 90 million Muslim citizens like Nigeria, they will find 1,000 radicals that will hold a town by mixing up with civilians, then the French army will not able to use force or raw air power so as not to kill the innocent civilians mixed with terrorists.

Show me any country in this world with Nigeria's Muslim population and neighborhood fighting terrorism and doing better than Nigeria in war !

Mumu Domingo, brain empty of simple logic
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RM786:
author=agaugust post=29792455]

Official numbers are official numbers.

In Nigeria it is illegal for the NA to hide casualties
.

Hello there Agaugust

I haven't posted in this forum for about a year now have even forgotten my username I was using then. We were discussing capabilities wrt Otomat vs Execot and their launch platforms at the time, SAN frigates vs Nigerian frigate, but then I got ended up just going to the pub instead. I'm glad you have lost non of your passionate fire in the interim.

1. Which NAF jets are those exactly you refer to?

2. No doubt all technical performance details for the PL-9 are classified as it is with any other weapons system. The "unofficially obtained" figures of 90% successful engagement rate sure does sound impressive, but under what testing conditions how were these attained? Relying on surface controls like canards, rollerons and ailerons for stability/maneuvering (no thrust vectoring capability from exhaust nozzle) they are seriously compromised in engagements with fast moving targets able to detect them, perform evasive manouvres and deploy counter measures.

Seeing as the equivalent products produced on a relatively shoe string budget by indigenous SA companies (no need to worry about changing political climates as they have in house production capability) have demonstrated 100% success rate in internationally observed trials a claimed 90% success rate doesn't sound so good to be honest.

3. Illegal for the NA to hide causalities, so they have the same constitutional requirements of 95% of the worlds armies... do they have the same watch dogs in place to make sure they adhere to those rules? No not a chance, not even close, what would happen to a whistle blower in Nigeria that revealed something putting the authorities in a bad light and embarrassed the government?

4. Only 1 frigate working? Last time I checked 1 was in refit, 2 operational- ie either on patrol or ready for immediate deployment at full operational capability, the other ready to be deployed at full operational level on short notice if required.

5. I have to take my hat off and express genuine admiration and respect for Nigeria with how they handled the Biafra situation and despite America's best efforts to manipulate things to suit their agenda of expanding their empire (using many "humanitarian NGO's" yeah right, they were sneaky bastards) you guys did well there, well done. It wasn't portrayed in a popular light by the western propoganda/media at the time but it was the necessary evil required to achieve the greater good. So don't buy Chinese hardware(missiles, ships, whatever)! Why do you think SA turned down USA's offer of F-16s- way too many strings attached.

6. Not good form to criticize RSA for helping in CAR. At least they tried to help and actually did contribute something positive towards the well being of the local populace. Nigeria did nothing and they are right next door!

If you can read back pages of this forum from June 2014 to January 2015, you will find answers to all your questions
.

Mandela's Navy The current RSA foreign obtained defence hardware portfolio (ships, planes, etc) is a legacy of the previous Apartheid regime's many attempts and plans to modernize their equipment, agreements finalized during Mbeki's tenure. PS: I don't think Mandela would be too worried anyway seeing as he's dead

Also WTF? Australian "Green Beret". If that's a nomenclature that can be applied to more than one branch of service/unit or large scale mustering that isn't a very "special" force. American seals and "green berets" sure are big and strong but considering probably more than 5% of their general recruits are able to qualify and be deemed competent as a seal speaks volumes. They really are not that special at all.

I have read them please just quickly break down or give clear answers to my questions

agaugust:


Foolish old man, that is their nickname, Green Berets....

"Australian Commando berets are known as being "Sherwood Green" in colour. The corps badge on the beret is a black background and a gold combat dagger with the moto “Strike Swiftly" underneath the dagger.[4] The green beret is only awarded to a soldier upon becoming qualified as a Commando in either of the below Regiments.

1st Commando Regiment
2nd Commando Regiment. Formerly 4th Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment, a special forces unit of the Australian Army"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_beret#Australian_commandos
.

Nope - that says they wear one

Not that it is their nickname

Learn to read

agaugust:


With ONLY ONE frigate, one same solo ship protecting South Africa's 3,200 km coast, at the same time patrolling Mozambique channel, patrolling Angola to Nigeria, and up to Ghana, covering the whole Gulf Of Guinea....LOL
.

Is the SAN only composed of frigates?

What about the subs, minesweeps, warrior class et al?

Joker

agaugust:


With ONLY ONE frigate, one same solo ship protecting South Africa's 3,200 km coast, at the same time patrolling Mozambique channel, patrolling Angola to Nigeria, and up to Ghana, covering the whole Gulf Of Guinea....LOL
.

Is the SAN only composed of frigates?

What about the subs, minesweeps, warrior class et al?

And again, we can deploy 2 frigates if we want or even 3 if we have to

Joker