muafrika:
What do you think about this gallivant? Should we cede this E-territory to Somalia?

I could argue for twenty plus years

It's just that on most of the culture section threads us somalis often try stopping axum from his racist arguements towards Bantus

two threads on which I tried to silence him:

https://www.nairaland.com/2085166/why-cant-people-embrace-pan-africanism
https://www.nairaland.com/1541715/somali-religion-mythology/5

And you guys came and tried to overrun this thread

Let it not be said that somalis started this e-war if it has to occur

gallivant:


No, not until bantu's get some respect around here.It's really up to them whether they want their E-territory back or not.

My friend lets see you try to take it off us first

Maakhir:


My friend lets see you try to take it off us first

We took over on page one, wake up and smell the coffee.

Maakhir:


I could argue for twenty plus years

It's just that on most of the culture section threads us somalis often try stopping axum from his racist arguements towards Bantus

two threads on which I tried to silence him:

https://www.nairaland.com/2085166/why-cant-people-embrace-pan-africanism
https://www.nairaland.com/1541715/somali-religion-mythology/5

And you guys came and tried to overrun this thread

Let it not be said that somalis started this e-war if it has to occur

Somalis started it a while ago, we are here to finish it.If you check clearly Kenyans rarely came to the culture section, we have been forced here to restore sanity.

gallivant:


No, not until bantu's get some respect around here.It's really up to them whether they want their E-territory back or not.

Are you saying we take even more Somali E-territory?
cc: MorrisaMkenya,Kafrican, Bantus on NL

Maakhir:


I could argue for twenty plus years

It's just that on most of the culture section threads us somalis often try stopping axum from his racist arguements towards Bantus

two threads on which I tried to silence him:

https://www.nairaland.com/2085166/why-cant-people-embrace-pan-africanism
https://www.nairaland.com/1541715/somali-religion-mythology/5

And you guys came and tried to overrun this thread

Let it not be said that somalis started this e-war if it has to occur

You can't mention Kenya in a reckless sentence and avoid accountability.

Maakhir:


My friend lets see you try to take it off us first

This war is decided. Now to more of your hideouts...

muafrika:
www.somaoilandgas.com/

Kenya hasn't taken any of Somalia's oil, nor will it ever do so in future.

From the link you gave me

Soma Oil & Gas is a private UK company founded in 2013 to pursue oil and gas exploration opportunities in Somalia.

How-ever it seem's that Somalia is currently in the act of taking oil from kenya and it's very shores to make kenya a landlocked country

http://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Somalia-Kenya-Indian-Ocean-Claim-Territory/-/1950946/2452028/-/format/xhtml/-/fajjmx/-/index.html

Kenya risks losing almost all of its territorial waters in the Indian Ocean if a case filed by Somalia in an international court succeeds.

Alarmed by the grave implications of the move by its war-torn neighbour, the Jubilee Government has reopened negotiations with Somalia over its claim to a huge swathe of maritime territory considered rich in oil deposits and fish, which the ministry of Foreign Affairs says could effectively turn Kenya into a landlocked country.

On Saturday, Cabinet Secretary for Foreign Affairs and Trade Amina Mohammed told the Sunday Nation the matter is so sensitive that a quick meeting to facilitate direct talks between President Uhuru Kenyatta and his Somalia counterpart Hassan Sheikh Mohamud has been arranged in New York.

“We are in discussions with the government of Somalia. It is unfortunate they logged their complaints even as we dialogued over this matter,” Ms Mohammed said, adding that Kenya preferred to settle the matter out of court.

Documents seen by the Sunday Nation show that the way Somalia wants the boundaries redrawn would take away at least five oil blocks and vast oceanic territory where deep sea fishing is conducted.

It would also mean that Kenya might have to access the Indian Ocean only with Somalia’s permission.

In June, an Australian firm prospecting off Kenya’s Indian Ocean coast reported a verified oil find at one of its recently completed wells in the Lamu Basin.

Pancontinental Oil and Gas NL confirmed their completed Sunbird well has intersected an oil column, making it the first-ever discovery of oil off the East African coast.

The dispute could also unsettle regional harmony as the proposal by Somalia could automatically move the Tanzanian island of Pemba to Kenyan territory, according to Foreign Affairs and International Trade Principal Secretary Karanja Kibicho.

“This claim by Somalia could make Kenya a landlocked country which may restrict our access to the high seas. And if the alterations adopt the proposal by Somalia then the island of Pemba will become part of Kenya,” said Dr Kibicho.

If the case filed by Somalia at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) is determined in its favour Somalia’s maritime boundary in the Indian Ocean would stretch all the way to Tanzania’s shores.

ECONOMIC INTERESTS

Based in the Dutch city of The Hague, ICJ is the primary judicial branch of the United Nations that mostly determines legal disputes between states.

In its application to the ICJ, the Somali government is making reference to a number of oil fields in the disputed area which Kenya has laid claim to, signalling that the battle may have been precipitated by economic interests.

Ms Mohammed, an experienced diplomat with vast experience in the UN system, said Kenya was keen on preserving good relations with Somalia and is making every effort to find a solution to the impending crisis that could create tension in the region.

She said the New York meeting between President Kenyatta and President Mohamud on the sidelines of the annual UN General Assembly later this month was part of the diplomatic push to sort out the problem.

Her views were reinforced by PS Kibicho: “We have set technical teams who are negotiating. Somalia is considered a friendly state — it is our neighbour, and it will remain so.”

The Sunday Nation has also learnt that even as the diplomatic efforts continued Attorney-General Githu Muigai had scheduled an appointment with the ICJ president to discuss ways of handling the crisis.

“I recently appeared before the Law of the Sea Commission in New York to try to attend to this matter. But we were referred to the ICJ because the case had been filed (by Somalia),” Prof Muigai said.

The AG explained that his office was assembling a team of experts to support Kenya’s case.

“We have already submitted an MoU (Memorandum of Understanding) to the UN secretary-general showing the delimitation of our boundaries with Tanzania. We want the same formula adopted in our case with Somalia,” the AG stated.

CASUAL NATURE

Somalia rushed to court over what sources at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs claimed was the casual nature in which the Kenyan government was handling the long-standing matter.

Somalia was apparently angered by Kenya’s decision to skip without notice a negotiation meeting that was to be held between August 25 and 26 this year.

“The Kenyan delegation, without providing either advance notification or subsequent explanation, failed to arrive and, as a consequence, the additional round of meetings that Kenya had requested were not held,” reads part of the application Somalia filed in court.

The Registrar of the ICJ Philippe Couvreur wrote to Kenya on August 28 detailing the case filed by Somalia.

“I have the honour to inform Your Excellency that the Federal Republic of Somalia has today filed in the Registry of the Court an Application, instituting proceedings against the Republic of Kenya concerning a dispute in relation to the establishment of the single maritime boundary between Somalia and Kenya in the India Ocean, delimiting the territorial sea, exclusive economic zone and continental shelf including the continental shelf beyond 200 nautical miles (M),” reads the letter.

Kenya’s ambassador to The Netherlands, Ms Makena Muchiri, forwarded the letter to Ms Mohammed the following day.

APPOINTED AGENT

“Kindly note that the provision of Article 40 of the Rules of the Court that requires Kenya to inform the court of their appointed agent and the address of service at the seat of the court to which all communications can be sent,” Ms Muchiri wrote.

President Mohamud appointed his minister for Foreign Affairs and Investment Promotion Dr Abdirahman Dualeh the country’s agent in the case.

In the application, Dr Dualeh made it clear there were “no special or relevant circumstances that could justify Kenya’s claim” to the territory it occupied.

According to the technical descriptions used in documents, in previous negotiations with Somalia, Kenya insisted that the maritime boundary should run due east along the parallel of latitude from the land boundary terminus while Somalia said the boundary should be drawn to follow an azimuth (angle) of approximately N131.5 degrees east from the land boundary terminus out to the outer limit of the two states’ maritime entitlements.

A source at the Foreign ministry, who did not want to be named, explained this meant Kenya preferred the horizontal line from the land through the sea while Somalia wanted a diagonal dissection that would give it most of the territory.

“The parties have met on numerous occasions to exchange views on the settlement of the dispute over the delimitation of their maritime boundary. None of these negotiation sessions has yielded agreement. Indeed no meaningful progress towards an agreement has been achieved at any of them,” reads part of the application by Somalia.

On oil exploration, Somalia claimed that Kenya had acted unilaterally on the basis of the current boundary to exploit both living and non-living resources on the Somali side.

However, Kenya’s Foreign Affairs PS denied that oil exploration in the disputed area may have sparked off the controversies.

However, Somalia claims in court papers: “Relevant Kenyan petroleum blocs include L-5, L-21, L-22, L-23,L24 and L-25.According to publicly available information Kenya awarded block L-5 to an American company.”

The country also lays claim to oil blocks Kenya awarded to a French company.

“The blocks lie entirely or predominantly on the Somali side of provisional equidistance line,” read part of the court filings.

Sources in the Foreign ministry in Nairobi allege some Western and Gulf oil investors may have convinced the Somali Parliament and top politicians to claim the territory.

Even more intriguing are allegations that some senior Kenyan officials may be colluding with the Somalis by providing them with insider information that strengthens the ICJ case and any diplomatic negotiations.

If Kenyans owned Jubbaland and overall Somalia as you claim, the Kenyan Government would not have to make all these deals with the Somali Government and Kenya would be the one taking our oceans, not the other way around.


If you don't believe me, here's some more links:

http://www.africareview.com/News/Somalia-in-maritime-boundary-row-with-Kenya/-/979180/2452116/-/bsoyosz/-/index.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/06/kenya-somalia-exploration-idUSL6E8I63IM20120706
http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/Kenya-and-Somalia-in-bitter-dispute-over-Indian-Ocean-border/-/2558/2499234/-/1311pip/-/index.html

Rafikizolo tell your people to get out of this thread if they're going to derail it

Maakhir,
That case is a joke. Thats why we'vd been snubbing those negotiations. We expect that case to be thrown out of the court for being fatally unreasonable.

Who projects their inland bounderies direction into the sea? Though I understand, oil is one of the few important things that will ever come out of Somalia.

As for the oil, ur crazy if you think KDF is in Somalia because we care that you are blowing each other up.

muafrika:
Maakhir,
That case is a joke. Thats why we'vd been snubbing those negotiations. We expect that case to be thrown out of the court for being fatally unreasonable.

Who projects their inland bounderies direction into the sea? Though I understand, oil is one of the few important things that will ever come out of Somalia.

As for the oil, ur crazy if you think KDF is in Somalia because we care that you are blowing each other up.

Amina Mohammed is literally begging for the Somali Government to let it go, did you not read the article?


Hehehe, prove that they're taking Somali oil. Every statement needs proof.

BTW is this true?

http://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/KDF-funds-Al-Shabaab-through-illegal-charcoal-trade/-/1950946/2399090/-/format/xhtml/-/1yw8xz/-/index.html

Cause if it is then I'll be severely disappointed that all your arguments have been based on one big fat lie

Maakhir:



Amina Mohammed is literally begging for the Somali Government to let it go, did you not read the article?


Hehehe, prove that they're taking Somali oil. Every statement needs proof.

Oil is a sensitive money making issue. If I told you i'd have to getrid of you(you know) but trust me,

muafrika:
Oil is a sensitive money making issue. If I told you i'd have to getrid of you(you know) but trust me,

First you posted a link that didn't have anything to do with the KDF 'taking' somali oil, now your telling me you'd have to get rid of me

Just admit it, they're not taking any oil and we Somali's happen to be taking your oil fields

Hahahaha don't take me for a fool

Maakhir:
BTW is this true?

http://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/KDF-funds-Al-Shabaab-through-illegal-charcoal-trade/-/1950946/2399090/-/format/xhtml/-/1yw8xz/-/index.html

Cause if it is then I'll be severely disappointed that all your arguments have been based on one big fat lie

Haven't you been listening? We are the country that just put the ICC to public shame and humiliation. Why does our relationship with these people surprise you? We play politics like pros, and in politics, no permanent enemies. Somalia could go places if they learnt that secret.

muafrika:
Haven't you been listening? We are the country that just put the ICC to public shame and humiliation. Why does our relationship with these people surprise you? We play politics like pros, and in politics, no permanent enemies. Somalia could go places if they learnt that secret.

Hahaha

I have to wipe of the tears of laughter

That joke has put me in a good mood

I bet Al-Shabaab have been 'losing' to you on purpose.

Do you make these deals so that one little militant group won't whoop your asses and shame you in front of the Western world?

I knew I was right, you guy's are cowards

Maakhir:


First you posted a link that didn't have anything to do with the KDF 'taking' somali oil, now your telling me you'd have to get rid of me

Just admit it, they're not taking any oil and we Somali's happen to be taking your oil fields

Hahahaha don't take me for a fool

What do you mean taking, you are running all over the EU filing unsustainable cases and whinning for help. Taking is what we just did in Jubaland.

muafrika:
What do you mean taking, you are running all over the EU filing unsustainable cases and whinning for help. Taking is what we just did in Jubaland.

Post proof, oh wait, that's right you cant!!!!!! Cause it only happened in your imaginative brain

Oil is a sensitive money making issue. If I told you i'd have to getrid of you(you know) but trust me,

You guy's run away from arguments like cowards, the same way you run away from fights.

Keep paying Al-Shabaab to spare your pathetic existence

muafrika:
What do you mean taking, you are running all over the EU filing unsustainable cases and whinning for help. Taking is what we just did in Jubaland.

Your foreign minister is begging the somali government to let go of the case and the somali government is currently winning.

Maybe you should stop paying Al-Shabaab and start paying the Somali government for them to reconsider

Maakhir:




I bet Al-Shabaab have been 'losing' to you on purpose.

Do you make these deals so that one little militant group won't whoop your asses and shame you in front of the Western world?

I knew I was right, you guy's are cowards

We are the ones in occupation of the territory while your government is restricted to an area the size of a football field. I dont know which is more cowardice...

muafrika:
We are the ones in occupation of the territory while your government is restricted to an area the size of a football field. I dont know which is more cowardice...

MorrisMkenya got the point, who is there for the somali government to recruit as all the men are in clan wars

You guys are just fighting a couple of kids and consider yourselves as brave

If you really think you can handle it, go fight the clans and see what happens to your pathetic army, unless you startr paying them too

Maakhir:


Post proof, oh wait, that's right you cant!!!!!! Cause it only happened in your imaginative brain



You guy's run away from arguments like cowards, the same way you run away from fights.

Keep paying Al-Shabaab to spare your pathetic existence

We are in possession of the oil rich territory. Do I have to spoon feed you with even logic?

Maakhir:


MorrisMkenya got the point, who is there for the somali government to recruit as all the men are in clan wars

You guys are just fighting a couple of kids and consider yourselves as brave

If you really think you can handle it, go fight the clans and see what happens to your pathetic army, unless you startr paying them too

These clans failed in the shifta war of the 60s, I mean, hunted down like lost sheep. unless they have since grown enough muscle to face us, I wonder what gives you the Idea that they would save you from any thing.

Maakhir:



Your foreign minister is begging the somali government to let go of the case and the somali government is currently winning.

Maybe you should stop paying Al-Shabaab and start paying the Somali government for them to reconsider

They are both our puppets. Dont you remember the first ever election of YOUR president was done in Kenya?

Maakhir:
Rafikizolo tell your people to get out of this thread if they're going to derail it

We are here to correct your misinformation.

muafrika:
We are in possession of the oil rich territory. Do I have to spoon feed you with even logic?

Haha, nice try

the most oil rich territory in EA itself is Puntland

Your failure to even provide one link says it all

You guys aren't in possession of any oil rich territory in Somalia #Fact.

And we're practically in possession of your oil rich territory, we're gonna landlock you so you can't spread your cowardice to the sea


Tell me, how does it feel to belong to the most cowardly country in Africa, does it make your chest swell with pride?

You guys are a joke

muafrika:
They are both our puppets. Dont you remember the first ever election of YOUR president was done in Kenya?

Which one?

muafrika:
They are both our puppets. Dont you remember the first ever election of YOUR president was done in Kenya?

Who, this guy?

Aden Abdullah Osman Daar.


His election was held in Somalia, Mogadishu in fact.

muafrika:

We are here to correct your misinformation.

Kenyan cowardice is truly a thing to behold.

Such a magntiude of cowardice has never been seen, it topped the Richter scale charts.

You guys are truly a embarassment to your Ugandan kin, how do two groups of the same people turn out so different, or do you pay the Ugandan Army to do all the fighting for you.

You guys cant even fight for yourself. You yourself admitted that you pay your enemy, Al-Shabaab with money, the same people who killed so many lives in your Westgate mall. Don't you feel any shame, any pity towards those Kenyan lives that were lost.

Shame on you.

Maakhir:


Who, this guy?

Aden Abdullah Osman Daar.


His election was held in Somalia, Mogadishu in fact.

The first Sheikh after the Islamic courts.

muafrika:
The first Sheikh after the Islamic courts.

You said President and then you switched to the IC,

Please have some grain of dignity!!!

Please!!!!!