Maakhir:


Kenyan cowardice is truly a thing to behold.

Such a magntiude of cowardice has never been seen, it topped the Richter scale charts.

You guys are truly a embarassment to your Ugandan kin, how do two groups of the same people turn out so different, or do you pay the Ugandan Army to do all the fighting for you.

You guys cant even fight for yourself. You yourself admitted that you pay your enemy, Al-Shabaab with money, the same people who killed so many lives in your Westgate mall. Don't you feel any shame, any pity towards those Kenyan lives that were lost.

Shame on you.

muafrika:
I said we pay them? We just use them.

Anywho, cowardice is letting crooks run amock in your country for 24 years while seeking refugee status in every country instead of putting your house in order, and still thinking you are at any form of advantage over people who are practically sustaining you.

Maakhir:
BTW is this true? cheesy

http://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/KDF-funds-Al-Shabaab-through-illegal-charcoal-trade/-/1950946/2399090/-/format/xhtml/-/1yw8xz/-/index.html

Cause if it is then I'll be severely disappointed that all your arguments have been based on one big fat lie tongue
Haven't you been listening? We are the country that just put the ICC to public shame and humiliation. Why does our relationship with these people surprise you? We play politics like pros, and in politics, no permanent enemies. Somalia could go places if they learnt that secret.

Maakhir:




Yes you did say you paid them


How can you comparee the situation of somali's to the cowardice of your people

those Somali's are refugees a common thing when a country is in civil war.

You don't feed and sustain me and many somali's in Kenya are at a economic advantage over most kenyans

I have to go

I'll be back soon for round two

Maakhir:


Who, this guy?

Aden Abdullah Osman Daar.


His election was held in Somalia, Mogadishu in fact.

Maakhir:




Yes you did say you paid them


How can you comparee the situation of somali's to the cowardice of your people

those Somali's are refugees a common thing when a country is in civil war.

You don't feed and sustain me and many somali's in Kenya are at a economic advantage over most kenyans

I have to go

I'll be back soon for round two

muafrika:
Population,
Kenyan Somalis - 1 million
Other Kenyans - 39 mill.
Kenya is a middle income country.
You admitted, Somalis are wanderers - they inhabit the most desolate part of Kenya, and Kenyan Somalis also have their clan wars. They are the least educated tribe, highest infant/maternal motarlity, etc. They arent doing as good as you assume.

Kafrican:

It was done in Kenya, I even remember watching it live on Tv..... Your Government and Parliament was run from Nairibi,Kenya for sometime before bieng relocated to Mogadishu

Kafrican:

Economic advantage? You mean most Somali refugees get free aid, withought having to work. Is that what you mean by economic advantage?

Maakhir:


Nope, the refugees in Eastleigh are making large businnesses and preventing you guys from getting ripped off by the Indians I hear.

Say thank you

Kafrican:


I did say, I will provide the link,.... Am still looking for it

But here is something to keep you waiting.....(From kenya parliament archive), A member of parliament while discusing ongoing shifta insujency back in the day, while discussing about problems arising from use of vigilization to contain the insurjency

[b]As Kariuki(MP) stated to Parliament in June, “we do not want to be told that there are loyal Somalis, let loyal Somalis come out and show us their loyalty. Let them be put in a camp where we can scrutinize them and know who [amongst them] are good."[/b]

Not all Somalis were put in camps, the ones who were put in camps (even though some were put there forcefully) were considered loyal in the end, those who were not, ran away from the camps to join the insurjents ......
The insurjency was started by somalis in Kenya who wanted to join with other somalis, although they had support from the Somali government,in terms of supplies, the Vigilization, was a solution to a local problem, The free movement of people made the insurjency difficult to contain, So people were taken to those camps, were searched, dis-armed, and placed in camps, which was guarded by police, (in modern days, governments use curfews to stop movement of people and supplies in a conflict)

Still looking for the de-classified intelligence report,

Kafrican:

First of all, Eastliegh has many Somali refugees because there is already a big population of Kenya Somalis already there, If there were rich refugees, they wouldn't be called refugees, They would be called investors,The same way we call, southAfricans, Angolans,Egyptians.... and I don't think they woud be living in Eastliegh

2nd Of all, Indians dont live in Eastliegh so how are the Somalis helping us from bieng ripped off exacly? Mind you Kenyans are people always looking for a cheaper supply market, bieng ripped in price is not something you would find in there dictionary.

I only know eastliegh for two things; Refugees, and selling of food spices....Thats it

Maakhir:


The dumbest post in this whole thread!

How can you tell a group of people that you put them into a concentration camp where they would likely be killed or die of disease to test out there loyalty?
Even worse, how could you not expect them to run away?

Many Somali's who were put in the camps were everyday civilians who were just minding their own business. Even if they did join the insurgency after running away from the camp would you blame them after what your government had put them through?

No wonder Kenya is suffocating in corruption, change your politicians, they're getting more imbecilic by the second.

Adolf Hiltler also put Jews in concentration camps. As a result millions of Jews died. I'm sure he was also 'testing' their loyalty to Nazi Germany.

Pathetic argument. Find a better one

The Kenyan government response may have been inspired by the counter-insurgency efforts taken by the British during the Mau Mau Uprising, which had been spearheaded by the Kikuyu, who now ironically dominated the Kenya African National Union-led government. Gachathi mused that they should perhaps "take a leaf from the (British) operations carried out during the emergency against the Mau Mau movement which, I am sure you will agree, were considerably effective."[14] In 1967, Kenyan fears reached a fever pitch, and a special government committee was created to prepare for a full-scale war with Somalia

25,000 members of British security forces under the control of General George Erskine were deployed as Nairobi was sealed off and underwent a sector-by-sector purge. All Africans were taken to temporary barbed-wire enclosures, whereafter those who were not Kikuyu, Embu or Meru were released; those who were remained in detention for screening

Lack of timely and accurate intelligence meant bombing was rather haphazard, but almost 900 insurgents had been killed or wounded by air attack by June 1954, and it did cause forest gangs to disband, lower their morale, and induce their pronounced relocation from the forests to the reserves.
Contrary to that which is sometimes claimed, Lancaster bombers were not used during the Emergency, though Lincolns were. The latter flew their first mission on 18 November 1953 and remained in Kenya until 28 July 1955, dropping nearly 6 million bombs[size=8pt][/size].

After the end of the Second World
War, when economic development became a major concern for colonial governments, the
concept of settlement and villagization was thought to be key to the “progress” of the
African population..........................................

Villagization in northern Kenya therefore facilitated the application of
punitive measures against those considered subversive, both civilian and shifta, at the same
time as rehabilitating the “criminal” nomad to a settled life.

Kafrican:


The Kenya Government had Just gained indipendence, During the Mau Mau war, the british used to put people in Concentration camps to restrict movement of people and it was a pretty evective way of reducing attacks on the British.... So I guess the Kenya Government took the lesson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shifta_War The ones that were killed in Mau-Mau war were not the ones in Camp but the ones outside the camp

Proof


Then After the concentration capms, the British whent back to the forest where Mau Mau were hiding



Although Some of the detainees were totured, They stayed alive, while the rest in the forests were killed

From a PDF scholar article

International Journal of African Historical Studies Vol. 45, No. 3 (2012):Forced Villagization during the Shifta Conflict
in Kenya, ca. 1963–1968

Maakhir:



Hahaha, Provide some actual proof in the form of a link. Any one can write something and then do this

Bring the link and don't try b*llshitting me.

I'll research into it more but I know for a fact that you guys used prisoners to parley. And I couldn't care less about the Mau Mau war, we are talking about the Shifta war here.

Maakhir:


Kenyan Somali's live in the North Eastern Provence, please don't try lying to me kid.

Kafrican:


Everything I have quoted comes from those links up there, Even the PDF file is found online for download if you google the name of the article. I am writting about the Mau-Mau because, the Mau-Mau who had largly formed the Kenyan Government had gone through the same thing of bieng placed in concentration camps and they were the best people to know how effective it was, So they applied the same counter-insurjecy tacktic the Brits had Used on them. And Just so you know, that tactic has been used in many places around the world in the past as a means of disrupting local insurjencies

In June 1966, the Kenyan government adopted a policy of forced villagization in the
former Northern Frontier District (NFD), a region that covered an area of approximately
102,000 square miles, about half of Kenya’s total landmass. In 1962, the region had an
estimated population of 200,000, which was made up almost entirely by the pastoral
Somali, and ethnically related Boran, Rendille, and Gabra groups.

During the colonial
period the NFD was comprised of the districts of Garissa, Isiolo, Mandera, Marsabit,
Moyale, Wajir and Samburu, although the British separately administered the latter.

In 2008/9, when the research for this paper was conducted, the NFD area was divided
between Eastern Region and North Eastern Region (NER), with Isiolo, and Marsabit
belonging to the former and Garissa, Mandera, Moyale, and Wajir to the latter. The
Kenyan government’s villagization program required all people living within these NFD
areas to reside within designated government villages under security guard. The evidence
suggests that by September 1967, only about half of the total population of the NFD were
successfully villagized. The Kenyan government argued that this would facilitate security
force operations against shifta (bandit or rebel) insurgents, who were engaged in a
campaign of militant secessionism, while winning over the hearts and minds of northern
Kenyans through village development projects.
3
In this sense, villagization served two
purposes. It was at once a counter-insurgency measure, used as a means to gain state
control over the NFD region during a period of armed insurrection, and a mechanism for
implementing social reform

Kafrican:


Everything I have quoted comes from those links up there, Even the PDF file is found online for download if you google the name of the article. I am writting about the Mau-Mau because, the Mau-Mau who had largly formed the Kenyan Government had gone through the same thing of bieng placed in concentration camps and they were the best people to know how effective it was, So they applied the same counter-insurjecy tacktic the Brits had Used on them. And Just so you know, that tactic has been used in many places around the world in the past as a means of disrupting local insurjencies

Maakhir:


The legal refugees are doing a lot better than most kenyans and have started large businesses, unlike you I can provide proof and i do not 'assume'things. I'll be back soon

muafrika:
The guy does not understand that was a citation. Thats how you do research Maakhir.

Kafrican:

I feel Like I have wasted my time going through all those documents and showing the links and Citations/References only for the guy to claim that I have not Supplied any links....
Do I need to take people to school now, Speaking of which How old is Maakhir anyway, maybe we are arguing with and teenager who's just in highschool and is Just begining to discover himself(phisically and phsycologically).
It would certainly explain his lack of basic logic aguments and understanding.....

Yareey:

And how old are you because surely an educated grown man who has already discovered himself wouldn't enjoy the suffering of other humans whether they Somali, Kenyan, the people who struggled with Ebola or are struggling with AIDS ect.

Maakhir:


You said President and then you switched to the IC,

Please have some grain of dignity!!!

Please!!!!!

Kafrican:

I feel Like I have wasted my time going through all those documents and showing the links and Citations/References only for the guy to claim that I have not Supplied any links....
Do I need to take people to school now, Speaking of which How old is Maakhir anyway, maybe we are arguing with and teenager who's just in highschool and is Just begining to discover himself(phisically and phsycologically).
It would certainly explain his lack of basic logic aguments and understanding.....

Maakhir:


Nope, the refugees in Eastleigh are making large businnesses and preventing you guys from getting ripped off by the Indians I hear.

Say thank you

Kafrican:

Ebola is not in Kenya.... Nevertheless, Ebola is a disease, AIDS is a disease, they both Kill............ However, Hunger and war are not

Maakhir:


Which parliament, don't make up stories, the first one was in Mogadishu Somalia

muafrika:
Are you saying we take even more Somali E-territory?
cc: MorrisaMkenya,Kafrican, Bantus on NL

2002 Somali Reconcilliation Conference

Held in Eldoret, Kenya, this conference was attended by most TFG supporters. However, at the time, the Rahanweyn Resistance Army (RRA) was still hotly contending with other factions, including warlord Adan Madobe-Habsade, who captured Baidoa. The RRA accused the Juba Valley Alliance of assisting the warlord, an accusation denied by the JVA leader Barre Adan Shire Hiiraale.

2004 Nairobi Conference

In January, 2004 a productive conference was held in Nairobi, Kenya, at which the Transitional Federal Government was agreed to. A document was signed by the major factions, entitled, Declaration on the Harmonization of Various Issues Proposed by the Somali Delegates at the Somali Consultative Meetings from 9–29 January 2004. From this, the Transitional Federal Institutions were agreed to, including elections. However, none of the parties yet had disarmed

2004 Presidential Elections

On 10 October [2004], the President of "Puntland", Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, was elected President of the Somali Transitional Federal Government (TFG) with 189 votes. The runner up, Mr. Abdullahi Ahmed Addow received 79 votes. Before voting, the 25 Presidential candidates swore on the Koran and signed a declaration, pledging to support the elected president and demobilize their militia.[17] The avowed demobilizations never occurred.

Somalia's interim parliament has chosen Abdullahi Yusuf as the new president in the latest bid to bring political stability to the lawless African state.

The election was held in a sports stadium in the Kenyan capital, Nairobi, because Somalia's capital is still considered too dangerous.

The country has seen numerous attempts to restore order since 1991 when warlords ousted the military ruler.

Chaos followed, as rival militias fought and two million Somalis fled.

The Kenyan military has been secretly training police officers on behalf of Somali’s fledgling transitional government in what Department of Defence spokesman Bogita Ongeri says is in line with international agreements.

The timing of the official admission by Kenya’s usually tight-lipped military is telling. It coincides with rumours widely circulating in northeastern Kenya and in Somalia itself that the Kenya Government has been recruiting fighters from among young Kenyan Somalis to help the TFG fight the Islamist threat inside Somalia.

Dismissing the reports, Mr Ongeri said “as far as we know, all those we have trained are from Somalia and were handed over to us by the TFG for training”

Mohamed Bashir Sheik has a new reason to hope. The 25-year-old Somali, who came to live at the world's largest refugee camp in Dadaab, Kenya, when he was just four, is planning to apply for a place at a university that is due to open next year near to the settlement.

Kenya will embed Somalia civil servants in its public service ranks to facilitate their on-job training as part of its skills improvement support for the new government.

Foreign Affairs Ministers of Kenya and Somalia Professor Sam Ongeri and Fauzia Yusuf Haji Adan respectively announced the plan in Nairobi on Tuesday during their closed-door talks.

The embedding will start as soon as the two countries revive the Joint Commission for Cooperation (JCC) that was first signed in 2006 but has been dormant since then.

MorrisaMkenya:

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MorrisaMkenya:

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