davien:
You are applying it wrongly....
Here's an analogy,because erosion forms soil and micro-organisms are a part of soil doesn't mean erosion creates micro-organisms,do you understand?

You are cleverly dodging the question: how did man come about in a Universe caused by cosmic inflation? Simple.

truthman2012:


You are cleverly dodging the question: how did man come about in a Universe caused by cosmic inflation? Simple.

so u believe your god who can not destroy some iron chariots created the universe?

timonski:
so u believe your god who can not destroy some iron chariots created the universe?

Don't derail the thread my friend!

truthman2012:


Don't derail the thread my friend!

answer simple question

timonski:
answer simple question

Smh!

truthman2012:


Smh!

i think you have been brainwashed by your slavemasters...err...!

timonski:
i think you have been brainwashed by your slavemasters...err...!

We are talking about science and God, you have no reasonable contribution and talk about another thing. Smh!

timonski:
so u believe your god who can not destroy some iron chariots created the universe?

The Canaanites Had mighty army,with stronges of chariot, The chariots of the Canaanites were very formidable to the Israelites, who had no means of coping with them. But the bible say"And the Lord was with Judah,...." meaning the isrealite had God on there side.Yet they suffered their fears to prevail against their faith.

Were are the canaanites? And the amalakites? No where to be found, but God protects the isrealite.

malvisguy212:
The Canaanites Had mighty army,with stronges of chariot, The chariots of the Canaanites were very formidable to the Israelites, who had no means of coping with them. But the bible say"And the Lord was with Judah,...." meaning the isrealite had God on there side.Yet they suffered their fears to prevail against their faith.

Were are the canaanites? And the amalakites? No where to be found, but God protects the isrealite.

Don't mind him bro.

I just decided to ignore him.

truthman2012:
Cause and Effect—Scientific Proof that God Exists
by Kyle Butt, M.A.

The Universe exists and is real. Every rational person must admit this point. If it did not exist, we would not be here to talk about it. So the question arises, “How did the Universe get here?” Did it create itself? If it did not create itself, it must have had a cause.

Let’s look at the law of cause and effect. As far as science knows, natural laws have no exceptions. This is definitely true of the law of cause and effect, which is the most universal and most certain of all laws. Simply put, the law of cause and effect states that every material effect must have an adequate cause that existed before the effect.
Material effects without adequate causes do not exist. Also, causes never occur after the effect. In addition, the effect never is greater than the cause. That is why scientists say that every material effect must have an adequate cause. The river did not turn muddy because the frog jumped in; the book did not fall off the table because the fly landed on it. These are not adequate causes. For whatever effects we see, we must present adequate causes.

Five-year-olds are wonderful at using the law of cause and effect. We can picture a small child asking: “Mommy, where do peaches come from?” His mother says that they come from peach trees. Then the child asks where the trees come from, and his mother explains that they come from peaches. You can see the cycle. Eventually the child wants to know how the first peach tree got here. He can see very well that it must have had a cause, and he wants to know what that cause was.

One thing is for sure: the Universe did not create itself! We know this for a scientific fact, because matter cannot create matter. If we take a rock that weighs 1 pound and do 50,000 experiments on it, we never will be able to produce more than 1 pound of rock. So, whatever caused the Universe could not have been material.

FROM NOTHING COMES NOTHING

I know that it is insulting to your intelligence to have to include this paragraph, but some people today are saying that the Universe evolved from nothing. However, if there ever had been a time when absolutely nothing existed, then there would be nothing now, because it always is true that nothing produces nothing. If something exists now, then something always has existed.

THE BIBLE SPEAKS ABOUT THE CAUSE

The Bible certainly is not silent about what caused the Universe. In the very first verse of the first chapter of the first book it says: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth.” Acts 17:24 records: “God, who made the world and everything in it…He is Lord of heaven and earth.” Exodus 20:11 notes: “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them.”

God is undoubtedly an adequate cause, since He is all-powerful. In Genesis 17:1, God told Abraham “I am Almighty God.”
He came before this material world, fulfilling the criteria that the cause must come before the effect. The psalmist wrote: “Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You had formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God” (Psalm 90:2).
And He definitely would instill within mankind the concept of morality, since He is a God of morals. Titus 1:2 says that He cannot lie.

Only God fits the criteria of an adequate cause that came before the Universe.

WHY DOES GOD NOT HAVE A CAUSE?

Hold on just a minute! If we contend that every material effect must have a cause, and we say that only God could have caused the Universe, then the obvious question is: “What caused God?” Doesn’t the law of cause and effect apply to God, too?

There is a single word in the law of cause and effect that helps provide the answer to this question—the word material. Every material effect must have a cause that existed before it. Scientists formulated the law of cause and effect based upon what they have observed while studying this Universe, which is made out of matter. No science experiment in the world can be performed on God, because He is an eternal spirit, not matter (John 4:24). Science is far from learning everything about this material world, and it is even farther from understanding the eternal nature of God. There had to be a First Cause, and God was (and is) the only One suitable for the job.

CONCLUSION

The law of cause and effect is a well-established law that does not have any known exceptions. It was not conjured up from the creationists’ magic hat to prove the existence of God (although it does that quite well). The evidence is sufficient to show that this material Universe needs a non-material cause. That non-material Cause is God. If natural forces created the Universe, randomly selecting themselves, then morality in humans never could be explained. Why is this Universe here? Because “in the beginning, God….”

I'm surprised the thread took this long... You people are just talking over your heads

Your argument's summary:
The universe couldn't have created itself, so God did.

Refutation: False dilemma (fallacy)

There are lots of other fallacies and contradictions but, let's just halt the thread at that as it's the center of your *argument

Morality is a different topic... You are attempting to derail your own thread.

Next thread please...

truthman2012:


Don't mind him bro.

I just decided to ignore him.

I saw his post but I wanted to ignored him, but the guy keep on bringing the same points, that why I reply him, God bless you.

Your head! :PYour head!

undercat:


Here is a summary of the first cause argument, so you can understand its nature:

The cosmological argument is a closely related set of arguments for the existence of a First Cause (or instead, an Uncaused cause) to the universe, and by extension often used as arguments for the existence of an "unconditioned" or "supreme" being, usually then identified as God. It is traditionally known as an argument from universal causation, an argument from first cause, the causal argument or the argument from existence. Whichever term is employed, there are three basic variants of the argument, each with subtle yet important distinctions: the arguments from in causa (causality), in esse (essentially) and in fieri (becoming).

The basic premise of all of these is the concept of causality and of a First Cause. The history of this argument goes back to Aristotle, was developed in Neoplatonism and early Christianity and later in medieval Islamic theology during the 9th to 12th centuries, and re-introduced to medieval Christian theology in the 13th century. The cosmological argument is closely related to the principle of sufficient reason as discussed by Gottfried Leibniz and Samuel Clarke, itself a modern exposition of the claim that "Nothing comes from nothing" attributed to Parmenides.

In modern philosophy, the argument was defended by William Lane Craig in his 1979 book The Kalām Cosmological Argument. Since that time, the term Kalām cosmological argument has come to be used for the debate between Craig and his critics, which involves the interpretation of Big Bang cosmology and contemporary notions of causality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument

philosophical gymnastics. The bedrock of christianity/Islam/religion...