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Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by johnydon22(m): 10:48am On Jan 26, 2015 |
Joshthefirst:That period he was acting before creating "time" as you allegedly said, Is still time itself |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by johnydon22(m): 10:50am On Jan 26, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Science did what ![]() |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by davien(m): 10:58am On Jan 26, 2015 |
LordReed:The fact that the entire universe has not been observed is a non-sequitor.. What you're asking is similar to those in the middle ages having said that "since we couldn't see the entire earth,therefore the earth is flat" ![]() The conclusions at the time that suggested the earth is spherical where based on mathematical principles,observations of other celestial bodies,the shadow of the earth when it eclipsed the moon,etc...and that is similar to what we've done to now the universe has no edged surface whatsoever... |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by davien(m): 11:00am On Jan 26, 2015 |
Joshthefirst:Analogous of the way a piece of glass expands....only the expanding material in this case is infinite... |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by LucemFerre: 11:20am On Jan 26, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Nothing or nobody created time, time is a medium not a creation. You know why? Because even creation occurs in time. I hope you understand. So, seriously I don't see how it is possible, in the slightest, for any existence to be outside of time or space for that matter. You might be tempted to say God is beyond our understanding (that's what theists do) just because a logical attempt to imagine God outside time is a dead end. You people try to refute claims by SIMPLY declaring that it is beyond what is presented. I don't know what kind of reasoning that is. Going by what religions define God, I think devil is God and God was the one who tried to dethrone the devil and devil threw God down on earth because what is seen as done by the devil is far more impressive than what is assumed done by God. But of course theists have explanation for this too: Earth is not our home. Wtff... Somebody told you that a god said the only life you are SURE exists is not the real deal and you su<|<ers jump on it like little b!+<he5 because "oh of course, since life is not fair, there has to be a heaven." You people are pathetic Anyway, that's another story... Focus on the exist-out-of-time part. 1 Like |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by LucemFerre: 11:30am On Jan 26, 2015 |
johnydon22: Lol... I laughed @ the "joystick" |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by johnydon22(m): 11:40am On Jan 26, 2015 |
LucemFerre:yes na... im get hands and feet na 1 Like |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by LordReed(m): 12:54pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
davien: Not quite. The premise is that the universe is the "same" anywhere an observer is in the universe. This means that any sufficiently large sample of the universe will have the same properties as any other. I bet you can already see the limitation in that. One obvious one is that of size. The size of the universe is such that if it is curved our section of it so small that it seems flat. Which means we could actually only be experiencing phenomena that is local to our area of the universe. Again none of this is 100% certain until further tests (currently beyond our capacity) are done. 1 Like |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by malvisguy212: 1:52pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
LucemFerre:what you are trying to say is this; nothing caused the universe, the universe created it self? I believe you just type all this long note for the viewers to think you made a point,your post even contradicts the law of caused and effect(every material caused must have an adequate effect) if time created it self,what caused it? Johnydon22. Your knowledge of God is soo empty,I don't even know what to say to you. God is a spirit, do spirit has flash? |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by johnydon22(m): 3:18pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
malvisguy212:is it not you that just said this your god has hands and feet which are typical products if the flesh... you can eat ur cake and have it my dear... its either he is a spirit being (whatever that shii means) without form or extension on shape just some void or it has hands and legs which makes it a humanoid...which is it? |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by davien(m): 3:54pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
LordReed:Actually the cosmic microwave background radiation is the same everywhere and so measuring it would give the apparent curvature of the universe... The only way for the universe not to be flat is if the radiation matches an "open" or "closed" universe... http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v404/n6781/abs/404955a0.html " These anisotropies contain information about basic cosmological parameters, particularly the total energy density and curvature of the Universe. Here we report the first images of resolved structure in the microwave background anisotropies over a significant part of the sky. This is consistent with that expected for cold dark matter models in a flat (euclidean) Universe, as favoured by standard inflationary models." |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by Joshthefirst(m): 4:46pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
johnydon22:no. There was no "period". There was only infinity. You guys should think things through before putting up lame rebuttals. before time, there was God, infinite in every way. He declared a beginning, and he has declared an end. He is the author. LucemFerre:You should learn civility. you're painting the picture of an angry anti-religious fundamentalist man. Calm down. I wonder what God did to make you his enemy? How can there be a time interval before time? Your anger has blinded you and made you think foolishly. and you call others delusional? Before "space"(note the parenthesis closely), there was only God. Infinite by himself and for himself, the all-powerful creator. Edited* 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by LucemFerre: 5:02pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Hehe... A strawman, really? I never said anything about the universe, cause or effect. Annnd I never said time created itself either... That was exactly why my post was long (to you, because it isn't long, really) to TRY and help you understand but, obviously you don't appreciate my effort so, try this on for size... Time is an independent existential medium by which change is measured. As I said earlier... It's not a creation, get it? 1 Like |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by LucemFerre: 5:11pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
Joshthefirst: I said that? *Sigh* Now, ad hominems... Who are these people? Can someone who understands english comment please? 1 Like |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by Joshthefirst(m): 5:19pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
LucemFerre:Yes you did. I made it bold specifically so you could notice. And I have not resorted to any personal attacks. you're the one who started with cussing and name calling actually. In the end, your questions were just silly. |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by LucemFerre: 5:42pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
I said "IIIIIIFFFFFFF" haba! |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by malvisguy212: 5:45pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
LucemFerre:this is you earlier coment; "Nothing or nobody created time, time is a medium not a creation. You know why? Because even creation occurs in time" What I can understand from your coment is that time has no beginning (which is wrong) time is a cause,what caused it? |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by LucemFerre: 5:59pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Lol... I said time has no beginning and you said it was wrong... And then you ask me what caused it? Lol... The burden of proof lies with u sweetheart |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by malvisguy212: 6:13pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
LucemFerre:you know bro, you are not truthful here, you did not openly say "time has no beginning" you twist it, go back and re-read your post. When Stephen hauwkin. Expend the equation of general relativity, the result indicated 'time has a beginning' there are a lot of evidence, am busy now, later. Thank you |
Re: "God" Is Outside Of Space And Time... by LordReed(m): 8:49pm On Jan 26, 2015 |
davien: Okay from this can you tell us what the shape of the universe is? |
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