axum:

No they are not. Beja by the way are Cushitic, and many Nubian look like Beja meaning their is no admixture with Negroids.

Yes they are! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubian_people
They speak Nilo-Saharan languages
Also some Nubians look like the Beja, some look like Northern and Eastern Chadians, some look Nilotic and some look like a mix of all three peoples.

BlackK[left][/left]enichi:

Yes they are! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubian_people
They speak Nilo-Saharan languages
Also some Nubians look like the Beja, some look like Northern and Eastern Chadians, some look Nilotic and some look like a mix of all three peoples.

Beja people are Cushitic and despite being all the way in Egypt/Sudan still look like the people in Somalia and still speak Cushitic language. Nubians have no Negroid aside from the Negroid all Humanity has as we are all related. But clearly you try to use this to attach your self to them. Don't hold people down, they don't want to claim you.

Pictures of Beja people who are Muslim (despite the Negroids around them being Non Muslim).

axum:



Beja people are Cushitic and despite being all the way in Egypt/Sudan still look like the people in Somalia and still speak Cushitic language. Nubians have no Negroid aside from the Negroid all Humanity has as we are all related. But clearly you try to use this to attach your self to them. Don't hold people down, they don't want to claim you.

Pictures of Beja people who are Muslim (despite the Negroids around them being Non Muslim).

Wow, you are really stup1d!

BlackKenichi:

Wow, you are really stup1d!

Is that all you can say when faced with scientific facts? Linguistics, genetics, appearance etc all that vs your Negroid Afrocentric opinion and need to feel relevant because your kind have not amounted to nothing more than dirt the realm of world history.

axum:



Beja people are Cushitic and despite being all the way in Egypt/Sudan still look like the people in Somalia and still speak Cushitic language. Nubians have no Negroid aside from the Negroid all Humanity has as we are all related. But clearly you try to use this to attach your self to them. Don't hold people down, they don't want to claim you.

Pictures of Beja people who are Muslim (despite the Negroids around them being Non Muslim).

The map you posted is wrong,

by its logic the southern ethiopian tribes are cushtic

Maakhir:



The map you posted is wrong,

by its logic the southern ethiopian tribes are cushtic

How can two maps be wrong. yes, Oromos (the largest ethnic group in ethiopia are Cushitic), so are Harrari, so are Afar, and others.

The first map covered the whole of ethiopia, including the southern tribes

KenyanLady:


Axum is an idiot crazy.

Huddah Monroe was born out of wedlock, she isn't half Somali and never had a father.

1.Shes half somali
2.What do you mean never had a father? Are you that desperate to claim her.
3. shes ugly, you can have her

Maakhir:
The first map covered the whole of ethiopia, including the southern tribes

You do realize that 80 percent of Ethiopia is inhabited by either Somalis, Oromo or Afar right? Oromo alone are more than half the population.

hahaha...

Somali stupidity exposed to the world once more.If I was Somali I would hang myself.

Axum why are you obsessed with Nigerians ?

axum:
This Sudanese girl at the wedding (relative of the bride), does not seem happy dancing with this Bantu (probably an invited friend of the groom).

Rofffffl dying from laughter

gallivant:
hahaha...

Somali stupidity exposed to the world once more.If I was Somali I would hang myself.

hahaha...

If I was you I would be in need of a cliff ASAP

First of all i'd like to start by mentioning that im north sudanese and a resident in khartoum.We are not related to somalis we may have some similar features but that is because of race mixing with the arabs.We are mixed nubian(nilo saharan) and arab.Here in Sudan we do not hate bantus we much prefer them over the horners
Sudanese can range in color and hair texture all the way from jet black(azrag)with kinky hair to olive white(halab) with straight hair the reason for the atrocities in the south was cause religion not race once there was much racism towards the but that has died out now and now there is very extreme hate towards horners.
I have brown skin and straights hair and consider myself a mix of bantu and arab
are feature are very mixed
The bejas in the east of sudan may be related because there land was under control by the horners but the rest are not

superdog531:
First of all i'd like to start by mentioning that im north sudanese and a resident in khartoum.We are not related to somalis we may have some similar features but that is because of race mixing with the arabs.We are mixed nubian(nilo saharan) and arab.Here in Sudan we do not hate bantus we much prefer them over the horners
Sudanese can range in color and hair texture all the way from jet black(azrag)with kinky hair to olive white(halab) with straight hair the reason for the atrocities in the south was cause religion not race once there was much racism towards the but that has died out now and now there is very extreme hate towards horners.
I have brown skin and straights hair and consider myself a mix of bantu and arab
are feature are very mixed
The bejas in the east of sudan may be related because there land was under control by the horners but the rest are not

Is there any reasons why horners are disliked?

KidStranglehold:


Is there any reasons why horners are disliked?

I'm not sure but most Sudanese consider themselves better

KidStranglehold:


Is there any reasons why horners are disliked?

because of their fake superiority complex

superdog531:
First of all i'd like to start by mentioning that im north sudanese and a resident in khartoum.We are not related to somalis we may have some similar features but that is because of race mixing with the arabs.We are mixed nubian(nilo saharan) and arab.Here in Sudan we do not hate bantus we much prefer them over the horners
Sudanese can range in color and hair texture all the way from jet black(azrag)with kinky hair to olive white(halab) with straight hair the reason for the atrocities in the south was cause religion not race once there was much racism towards the but that has died out now and now there is very extreme hate towards horners.
I have brown skin and straights hair and consider myself a mix of bantu and arab
are feature are very mixed
The bejas in the east of sudan may be related because there land was under control by the horners but the rest are not

Although i grew up in New Zealand, but my family is from Northern Sudan. However to be perfectly honest i never ever heard the expression bantus until i came on the internet because no one in Sudan as i noticed ever use that expression or give a damn about that.. Indeed, we do range in colors, but visiting the Sudan National Museum in Khartoum while visiting my family the Christian art look very identical to the people now, why is that you think? For example this, and you see this and other art works in the second floor of the Museum, i pretty much go there every time i visit my family, to relax my mind, although they need to do something in regards to the air condition system.

Christian art before Middle Nile valley became predominant islamic.
http://blog.britishmuseum.org/2014/08/08/death-the-great-equaliser-christianity-on-the-middle-nile/
http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/RW006433/portrait-of-saint-jiovanus-xisostomos

Sudanese regardless of complexion
http://sudanembassy.com.pk/ar/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Afra-mool.jpg

http://sudanembassy.com.pk/ar/%D8%B5%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%85%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AB-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8A/

We have to be realistic, which i am and not deny the obvious.


However to say that as a result to mixing is to deny ourselves, as i said to members here most Sudanese don't have anything against other African groups including horners, although many Ethiopians and Eritrean work as maids for rich people and other activities which i will not mention. Lastly, many musicians such as Teddy(Ethiopian) is pretty much popular in Sudan, and many people within our own forums will disagree with you on that one, but you can politely debates this within our forums on instragram, sudan net, and facebook.

Genetic Diversity of a Certain Ethinic Group is done by DNA & Genetic studies. Sudanese & Etiopian has the highest Gene DIVERSITY = 24.
people of greece has the lowest = 2.

High Gene Diversity That means people are ancient & original.

This means That & Ethiopian Sudanese are the most ancient people in the world. It goes without saying That people of north Sudan Ethiopian & CARRY similar features .
You can not Differntiate Between Dangla, Shwiaga, Halfaween, & other north sudanese & Ethiopian people.
I believe That once upon a time we provenance one country or you can say one civilization. So north sudanese are here since the start of history.

http://sudanforum.net/showthread.php?t=171155&page=8

http://sudanforum.net/showthread.php?t=177873
You can politely debate us there in Arabic and English, my arabic is bad, speak but cannot write which is a shame on my part, but i have my cousin help me in translation on facebook, and many other Sudanese on instragram is helping me with my arabic, which is great.

superdog531:


I'm not sure but most Sudanese consider themselves better

That i agree with, and realitically we have to deal with our regional issues within Sudan, and if you are from the North as you say, you know how some people view other people from the other regions, not all people but some.

Maakhir:


1.Shes half somali
2.What do you mean never had a father? Are you that desperate to claim her.
3. shes ugly, you can have her

How many times do I have to repeat myself?

Huddah Monroe is not half Somali, She was born out of wedlock and has never met her biological father, She was raised by her mother and Kikuyu stepfather which means She grew up without a biological father.

leave her alone.

superdog531:
First of all i'd like to start by mentioning that im north sudanese and a resident in khartoum.We are not related to somalis we may have some similar features but that is because of race mixing with the arabs.We are mixed nubian(nilo saharan) and arab.Here in Sudan we do not hate bantus we much prefer them over the horners
Sudanese can range in color and hair texture all the way from jet black(azrag)with kinky hair to olive white(halab) with straight hair the reason for the atrocities in the south was cause religion not race once there was much racism towards the but that has died out now and now there is very extreme hate towards horners.
I have brown skin and straights hair and consider myself a mix of bantu and arab
are feature are very mixed
The bejas in the east of sudan may be related because there land was under control by the horners but the rest are not

You are over exaggerating.

TerryCarr:

because of their fake superiority complex

Oh please, a lot of Nigerians are no different. Ajuran just teases you guys with silly things like hair and nose shapes.

ArtanK:


Oh please, a lot of Nigerians are no different. Ajuran just teases you guys with silly things like hair and nose shapes.

i read this is common among honers

KidStranglehold:


Is there any reasons why horners are disliked?

LOL..what do you think?Do you like the few horners that you know?

ababda:


That i agree with, and realitically we have to deal with our regional issues within Sudan, and if you are from the North as you say, you know how some people view other people from the other regions, not all people but some.

Sudan isn't exactly racism free its true they don't like anyone who is different in the time I have been here I've seen alot of racism towards the surrounding countries I attend college here where people are more educated but their is still racism
Even to our own people if you are too light skinned you'll be called halabi(in a derogatory way) and if you're too black you'll be called abd

ababda:


Although i grew up in New Zealand, but my family is from Northern Sudan. However to be perfectly honest i never ever heard the expression bantus until i came on the internet because no one in Sudan as i noticed ever use that expression or give a damn about that.. Indeed, we do range in colors, but visiting the Sudan National Museum in Khartoum while visiting my family the Christian art look very identical to the people now, why is that you think? For example this, and you see this and other art works in the second floor of the Museum, i pretty much go there every time i visit my family, to relax my mind, although they need to do something in regards to the air condition system.

Christian art before Middle Nile valley became predominant islamic.
http://blog.britishmuseum.org/2014/08/08/death-the-great-equaliser-christianity-on-the-middle-nile/
http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/RW006433/portrait-of-saint-jiovanus-xisostomos

Sudanese regardless of complexion
http://sudanembassy.com.pk/ar/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Afra-mool.jpg

http://sudanembassy.com.pk/ar/%D8%B5%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%85%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AB-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8A/

We have to be realistic, which i am and not deny the obvious.


However to say that as a result to mixing is to deny ourselves, as i said to members here most Sudanese don't have anything against other African groups including horners, although many Ethiopians and Eritrean work as maids for rich people and other activities which i will not mention. Lastly, many musicians such as Teddy(Ethiopian) is pretty much popular in Sudan, and many people within our own forums will disagree with you on that one, but you can politely debates this within our forums on instragram, sudan net, and facebook.




http://sudanforum.net/showthread.php?t=171155&page=8

http://sudanforum.net/showthread.php?t=177873
You can politely debate us there in Arabic and English, my arabic is bad, speak but cannot write which is a shame on my part, but i have my cousin help me in translation on facebook, and many other Sudanese on instragram is helping me with my arabic, which is great.

My use of the word bantu here is incorrect bantu is language group the correct the to say is nilo saharan these aren't used in Sudan
I bare no ill feelings towards somali or other africans most Sudanese people are very kind but their is much discrimination towards horners mostly Habesha but somalis also face similar racism
Its true that Ethiopian music is enjoyed I listen to it sometimes
About the painting with the nubian queen notice her hair that isn't very common among the women of modern Sudan I have seen some paintings here in Sudan I'm not sure from when but it shows a nubian woman with african features with a baby or a nubian warrior
Also good luck in learning arabic

superdog531:


My use of the word bantu here is incorrect bantu is language group the correct the to say is nilo saharan these aren't used in Sudan
I bare no ill feelings towards somali or other africans most Sudanese people are very kind but their is much discrimination towards horners mostly Habesha but somalis also face similar racism
Its true that Ethiopian music is enjoyed I listen to it sometimes
About the painting with the nubian queen notice her hair that isn't very common among the women of modern Sudan I have seen some paintings here in Sudan I'm not sure from when but it shows a nubian woman with african features with a baby or a nubian warrior
Also good luck in learning arabic

.

You have to go to the Sudan National Museum on the second floor, and the features of the women is very common and lets not deny that. For example this is our people.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxjlCGrs6WM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBveQ84hC6A




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6f0wxHeWlU



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoVSf7MoGw4

Which i have no apology for.

Also good luck in learning arabic

I can speak, but i definitely need to learn how to write, but the guys in facebook is helping me a great deal. Thanks.

Actually enjoyed this performance from Egypt.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbNmHrdkblU

superdog531:


Sudan isn't exactly racism free its true they don't like anyone who is different in the time I have been here I've seen alot of racism towards the surrounding countries I attend college here where people are more educated but their is still racism
Even to our own people if you are too light skinned you'll be called halabi(in a derogatory way) and if you're too black you'll be called abd

I somewhat agree to disagree, i am not into airing out our problems on a foreign forum, within our own social spaces yes, we can debate those issues.

Superdog531 I may send you a link of our facebook and instragram page. I like your spirit, it is good to have different views, with your views it is going to be a great deal of debate. LOL

ababda,

While I don't feel knowledgeable enough to get involved in this race question as it concerns the Sudanese people, I still have to point out that some of the lighter-coloured people in the paintings from Christian Nubia were not native Nubians, but high-ranking churchmen from Egypt or the Byzantine world (like John the Golden Voice depicted in the second link) or early non-Nubian Christian saints.

Like i'm sure you know the top echelon of Church administration in Christian Nubia (as well as early Ethiopia) were filled mostly with Egyptians, and one has to carefully distinguish them in the artworks from the natives.

Radoillo:
ababda,

While I don't feel knowledgeable enough to get involved in this race question as it concerns the Sudanese people, I still have to point out that some of the lighter-coloured people in the paintings from Christian Nubia were not native Nubians, but high-ranking churchmen from Egypt or the Byzantine world (like John the Golden Voice depicted in the second link) or early non-Nubian Christian saints.

Like i'm sure you know the top echelon of Church administration in Christian Nubia (as well as early Ethiopia) were filled mostly with Egyptians, and one has to carefully distinguish them in the artworks from the natives.

Radoillo, they are nubians through and through. All the painting is on the second floor of Sudan National Museum. However the majority of the painting is not posted on the internet of eparch, queen mothers, and bishops. For example this.

[img]http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-RW006429.jpg?size=67&uid=ea01e545-05f3-4f00-a731-2cbe493a5241[/img]

Painting of Christ Protecting a Nubian Prince in Faras Basilica, Sudan
Coptic paintings on a plastered stone wall depict robed figures and floral borders. The painting adorned a wall at the basilica founded probably in the late seventh or early eighth century at Faras, formerly the capitol of the northern Nubi an kingdom of Nobatia. Faras was flooded by the waters of Lake Nasser in the 1960s. Photographed at Faras, Sudan, 1963.

http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/RW006429/painting-of-christ-protecting-a-nubian-prince?irpid=27795


[img]http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-RW006426.jpg?size=67&uid=6fafd2a1-f891-4781-9f29-40952804bac6[/img]

Painting of Nubian Queen with the Virgin and Child
In an early 12th century painting, the Virgin and Child stand with [b]Queen Martha of Nubia, [/b]holding a crucifix, and an unnamed martyr. The painting was uncovered on the north wall of the Christian Basilica founded probably in the late seventh or early eighth century at Faras, formerly the capitol of the northern Nubian kingdom of Nobatia. The area was later flooded by the waters of Lake Nasser. Photographed at Faras, Sudan, 1963

http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/RW006426/painting-of-nubian-queen-with-the-virgin




[img]https://britishmuseumblog.files./2014/08/anderson-pl-2_544.jpg?w=544&h=1539[/img]

Wall painting of a Nubian queen protected by the Virgin Mary and Child (Sudan National Museum 24362)

http://blog.britishmuseum.org/2014/08/08/death-the-great-equaliser-christianity-on-the-middle-nile/

lighter-coloured people

It should never be about skin color, which is redundant.

The excavation is done by Sudanese and Polish team, which still covers the monuments in that period.

Again you see all these painting and more at the National Museum in Sudan on the second floor if you visit. This is suppose to be about a wedding, and not about the history of the nile region.

to be fair Christianity did come from a light skin part of the world

TerryCarr:
to be fair Christianity did come from a light skin part of the world

Indeed i don't think skin color was a factor for them, at the same time the rulership still represented themselves as naturally they were. While the saints was represented by the Byzantium ideal or standards. That pretty much what is written in the Museum under the picture art in Khartoum.

My thread has been hijacked by a Sudanese Girl. Are you in America dear?